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Marillion Single

 
 
Captain Zoom
15:07 / 13.12.01
All you geeks out there, Marillion has released a new single only through it's website. Before you get realy excited, it's material from Anoraknophobia, but some live, some re-editted. I just ordered my copy. It looks yummy.

Zoom.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
18:10 / 13.12.01
Yeah. I posted an enormous fucking thread about it, like, two months ago (where have you been, Zoom?). I've ordered my copy. And I think you still get a free copy to give to a friend/throw at a radio station.

The double A sides are Between You And Me and Map Of The World, by the way. Two finer slabs of pop noise you are unlikely to find this side of the Pesos.
 
 
Seth
11:39 / 14.12.01
You know, the Music forum just isn't the same without its Marillion threads.

Jack: do you have an e-mail address so we can let the boys know that they're still relevant to the counter-culture?
 
 
Ganesh
12:30 / 14.12.01
Oh, I thought you meant Marillion were no longer (heteronormatively) married. I was all set to dump my partner and hit the groupie trail.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
21:01 / 02.02.04
Er... bump, big time.

As young un listening to the Friday Night rock show I remember hearing Freaks by Marillion, I recently got hold of it again and it's fucking brilliant. Just when I'd given up hope of ever finding any half decent Scottish music (though I've got great hopes for my cousins band Eye, if anyone's heard them play in Dundee or elsewhere let me know what they're like). I'd always been put off by Marillion's singles like Kayleigh and Lavender, can anyone suggest a good place to start with them?
 
 
Seth
21:07 / 02.02.04
If you're into what you've heard (but not Kayleigh and Lavender), I'd strongly recommend picking up Clutching at Straws. It's the best Fish era Marillion record, his best lyrics with their best music. You should be able to pick it up pretty cheap. If you're into musical creative process then the double CD gives an interesting perspective on Season's End, the first Hogarth era Marillion record.
 
 
40%
21:11 / 02.02.04
A Marillion thread! YAY! Where has it been all my life?

What's with this whole "we're geeks, but we don't care" thing though? Sounds a bit like product positioning to me. Geek-chic, or something. But they're not really geeks are they? They're just...old. Nothing wrong with wearing slippers!

I hope Marbles lives up to the expectations. I'm gonna see my name, up in lights, oh yeah! C'mon!

I've decided that I like Fish better than Hogarth now though. Been listening to Clutching at Straws a lot lately. What a masterpiece, eh?

Yes, a fine band indeed.

Carry on.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
04:17 / 04.02.04
Nah, I'm more into the Hogarth stuff myself, although a lot of the Fish stuff is magic.

The 'geek-chic' stuff comes from the fact that they couldn't get the music press to stop perpetuating the myth that a) they were sad Dungeons and Dragons fans, and b) all their fans were sad Dungeons & Dragons fans. Rather than continue banging their heads against the brick wall of the shitty English music media, they decided to embrace the image of them and their fans as geek, reappropriate it, if you like, and say there's nothing wrong with it. In a nutshell.

I've also pre-ordered Marbles before the deadline - yay! Gonna see my (real) name in lights at last!
 
 
Captain Zoom
21:53 / 04.02.04
S'funny the things that manage to suck me back into Barbelith.

I have to err on the side of Hogarth too. Brave was the first Marillion disc I listened to and it's been my favourite since (though Radiation and Anaoraknaphobia are brilliant too.) I'm quite looking forward to Marbles, though monetary difficulties will have my name left off this time (got into Anorak though!)

Anyone heard the live album released after Anorak? I'm always a bit edgy about live albums, as they sometimes are just rehashes of the studio versions. I feel I ought to get it just for completion's sake, but at this point that's not sake enough.

I wish I had managed to get one of those "Uncool as F**k" t-shirts they were selling through the website a while back. Had it been some pop band like Green Day or The Strokes doing that, it would have been cliche. But the fact that it's a bunch of 40-something prog-rock geeks who actually embrace their uncoolness just makes it cool. If you see what I mean.

Zoom.
 
 
40%
13:08 / 06.02.04
Hogarth's great. I'm a big fan of his. But I've started to see some qualities in Fish that are quite exceptional. I'm currently trying to think whether there's anyone that I would consider a better frontman than, even if not he's right up there.

The thing I particularly appreciate about Fish is his melodies. They're often very simple, the kind you could imagine in nursery rhymes, which makes them endearing. But the variations in the basic melodies he uses over the course of any given song seem to be exactly in proportion with the level of emotion required. They almost always seem to fit the point he is making. There's something about the way the melody captures the meaning that you just couldn't calculate.

I have one reservation with Fish though.

My least favourite bit of "Clutching at Straws" is this bit, right at the end:

And if you ever come across us don't give us your sympathy
You can buy us a drink and just shake our hands
And you'll recognise by the reflection in our eyes
That deep down inside we're all one and the same


You see, for me, I feel like throughout the album, Fish has been giving me a personal tour of his world. The first half of the album in particular feels like he's sitting right there in the room talking to you. In the second half, he gets a bit more distant. But then in the last song, he seems to be right there with me again:

We live our lives in private shells
Ignore our senses and fool ourselves...
Are we too far gone, are we so irresponsible
Have we lost our balls, do we just not care?
We're terminal cases that keep taking medicine
Pretending the end isn't quite that near


And all through this, I'm thinking "yeah, I see what you mean, we do, don't we?" But then at the end, it turns out that I am not a part of the elite group of celebrities/alcoholics who are entitled to identify with these emotions. And in fact, having just been talking me through his life, as someone who he appeared to think would understand, now he's lecturing me about judging him superficially. It feels like a bit of a kick in the teeth really, it's quite hurtful. At once, he's inviting me to identify with his experiences, and yet telling me that I can never really understand.

Anyway, I was also going to ask if anyone has bought the Marillion biography. I'm looking in your direction, JTB. Is it worth the money? Seemed very pricey to me. Is it of "Dream Brother" standard?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
16:17 / 06.02.04
Difficult to say. I haven't got it, largely because I know most of the band's history and various bits of anecdotal stuff off-by-heart anyway, and, like you say, it's pricey. Still intend to get it - I'll let you know when I do if it's any good.

I have to say that my opinion on Fish tends to fluctuate wildly depending on the song he's singing. So much of his solo stuff, for example, sees him, an independent artist, without record company advice, decent producers, or even a mate pointing and going "Oi! Fish! No!", singing tunelessly on badly produced soft rock crappery. Suits definitely suffers from that - it's quite often horribly to listen to, hearing the few good ideas drowning beneath utter rubbish. As he's gotten older, his voice can't hit the high notes like it used to, and it seems to have taken him around ten years to get used to the fact that he was going to have to sing in a lower register. Most of the vocal performances during that period are pretty dire... some actually cringworthy, almost krap karaoke.

Not all of them, obviously. 'Credo', off Internal Exile, is a fucking gem... lyrical, touching, with the best use of a double negative EVER cropping up in the chorus ("It don't mean nothing..."). 'Sunsets On Empire', off the album of the same name, is marvellous, Watersesque stuff, with possibly the first example of the newer, full-throated Fish vocal. Pretty much all of his Marillion stuff sounds great, although he did well to ditch the purple poetry of Script... and Fugazi with Misplaced Childhood - not sure he'd have the 'working class hero' rep that he has if he'd carried on the way he was going.

I understand the problem you've got with 'The Last Straws's final lyrics, 40%, but to be honest, I think that was his point - he was pushing you out of his circle right at the end, pointing out the differences, because that's what addicts do - when they've had their way with you, sat you down through their sob stories, had you buy them drinks - they let you down.
 
 
40%
23:18 / 06.02.04
(makes a sad face)
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
14:41 / 11.02.04
Ah, Grendel. Fucking Grendel.

Let the blood flow!

That intro to 'Burn a Little Brighter Now' is in dire need of sampling. Must get round to it. What else? Hmmm...Fond memories of 'Sugar Mice' but I might hate it now, haven't listened to these auld rockers for aaaages...'Clutching at Straws' was rather good wasn't it?

I was so utterly obsessed by this band as a young 'un. Long live Fish.
 
 
captain piss
15:01 / 11.02.04
Think I left off with Kayleigh. Probably a bit of catching-up to do.

Fish was the guest presenter of a BBC Scotland comedy programme that I went to see the pilot of just before Xmas. He was quite weird- at the bit before the commercial break he was saying the usual stuff about blah blah blah now you can off and make a cup of tea etc, adding “or, if you’re from Dundee, date-rape a seagull”.
He had a strange way of dancing onto the stage as well, which I think was maybe down to being fairly pished
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:26 / 13.02.04
"That intro to 'Burn a Little Brighter Now' is in dire need of sampling..."

Totally - think you mean 'Torch Song', though...

Recommend the 'Shot In The Dark' live DVD/video, by the way - starts off a bit shakily, but once it kicks in, it's killer... fantastic acoustic versions of 'Beyond You', 'Sugar Mice' and '...The Space', and an utterly gorgeous, wistful cover of Marvin Gaye's 'Abraham, Martin & John' as the secret track at the end after the credits.

Marbles in a few weeks! Woo! Woo! [dances like a cartoon monkey]
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
14:35 / 13.02.04
Aye, 'Torch Song', that'll be the boy...

Replete with little coughs and chinking glasses, love it. I hear a 16 bar loop followed by the most brutal, phatt phucking hip hop break to ever emerge from a pair of cones, and repeat until bored. With some lyrics.

Maybe I'll post it up here if I ever actually get round to it...
 
  
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