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Genre exploration part three: JAZZ

 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:15 / 30.11.01
Yowch. Barbelith topic-synchronicity strikes again.

This is more of a general request than Riz makes in the first two of these threads, and is therefore going to get me into all sorts of trouble - I can see the "but jazz is such a wide-ranging, vague classification" replies piling up in front of me now.

So, please excuse my ignorance. I own all of five jazz albums, those being;

    *Giant Steps & A Love Supreme - John Coltrane
    *Kind of Blue & Bitches Brew - Miles Davis
    *The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Charles Mingus


I need more. It's just that I really don't know where to begin. Of those five, A Love Supreme and The Black Saint... are the ones that I've got the most from. I'm also looking for some pointers for the more bluesy, vocal records.

Help a soul in need.
 
 
The Strobe
16:32 / 30.11.01
Thelonius Monk - the black two disc Columbia solo set. Monk's great. This is a pretty good collection for the money.

Some Django/Grappelli/Quintet de Hot Club de Paris. Because it's vital and wonderful.

Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (gorgeous 60s jazz, beautiful, 1962) and Headhunters (funky junk that's still jazz rather than proggy and silly).

Try some... Ornette Coleman, Charlie Parker.

Oscar Peterson. You must. Maybe some Jimmy Smith, "Blue Bash!" is the best proper album, (though "All the Way - Live" is also wonderful) - just organ and guitar from two guys who knew each other's style backwards. Great stuff. Avoid the big orchestral funk. It doesn't work.

Umm.... vocalists? More modern stuff? I'm out.
 
 
Locust No longer
17:31 / 30.11.01
Well, seeing that this is my passion when it comes to music....

What ever you do pick up some Eric Dolphy. He's little known compared to his contemporaries like Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, Albert Ayler, and Jimmy Lyons, but just as good. Personally he's my favorite musician ever. His Out to Lunch Lp is a jazz great, and essential to any cool jazz collection. It's a mix of Mingus, free playing, and avant garde influences, and undeniably tremendous. The first track destroys me. His live recordings with another underrated player, Booker Little, are all worth obtaining, as well. His Last Date recording is, also, amazing.

Albert Ayler is another sax player worth looking into. He fell into a ferocious free style that incorporated interesting bits of folk melodies, and new orleans big band. One critic likened his
Spiritual Unity LP to someone screaming "fuck" in a cathedral. The amazing free player Sunny Murray plays drums on this recording, as well. Watch out for his later stuff though, because I hear it sinks deeply into R and B fluff.

John Coltrane is, of course, crucial to any jazz collection, especially a '60s new thing collection. His later stuff is my favorite being that it's the most intense and uncompromising. People still haven't generated an album that can compare to Coltrane's duo with Rashied Ali on Interstellar Space. Anything is worth while to pick up by this master.

Rashied Ali went on to form some of his own groups which deserve some attention, as well. Knitting Factory Records out of New York has rereleased some of them, so they should be pretty easy to find. I would recommend Moon Flight as a starting point. His drumming is truly phenomenal, and unlike anything else out there.

Some other great Americans worth while are: Charles Gayle (sax), David S. Ware (Sax), William Parker (bass), Ken Vandermark(reeds), Glenn Spearman (sax), Raphe Malik (trumpet), Cecil Taylor(piano), Charles Mingus(bass/composer), and many many more.

Moving on to Europe: I would recommend Peter Brotzmann's Machine Gun, and Fuck De Boere Cd's. Machine Gun is still the most noisy, and powerful cd I own, and has become and infamous listening experience among my friends. I would also recommend Peter Kowald, the bassist on Machine Gun. His technique is flawless, and his sound is completely off the wall. Check out Was Das Ist or Duo's Cds. Some other Europeans worthing checking out are: Fred Van Hove (free piano), AMM (three piece improv that redefines the boundries of jazz), Evan Parker(woodwinds), Derek Baily(Guitar), Marylin Crispell(piano), Gerry Hemingway(drums), Keith Rowe (guitarist for AMM and collaborater with noise outfits worldwide)and Alexander Von Schlippenbach (composer for Globe Unity Orchestra, and all around amazing pianist).

Most of these recommendations are geared to the more adventerous listener and this is only the tip of the iceburg. I would like to write more but I've got to go. Check out Thurston Moore's top ten free jazz Lp's at: http://www.evol.org/free.jazz.html

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Locust No longer
18:59 / 13.12.01
In will not let this thread die! (well actually I probably will). Um.... just picked up some good jazz everyone interested in the avant garde spectrum should hear

The Spontaneous Music Ensemble "Withdrawal(1966-67)"- This includes the wonderful John Stevens, Trevor Watts, Derek Bailey, Barry Guy, Evan Parker, Paul Rutherford, and Kenny Wheeler before any of them gained fame. Amazing stuff that is hard to believe was recorded in the '60s. The Art Ensemble of Chicago worked similar territory but the SME is far more abstract. They actually had no knowledge of the AACM when they recorded "Withdrawal," with much of it being recorded for a soundtrack to some short art movie about a junkie in an asylum. It's on Emanem records.

2.Joe Mcphee"Underground Railroad" This is a reissue on Atavistic which originally came out in the '60s and quickly went out of print and was thought to be lost to free jazz history. But it's back, and it's honestly some of the most fiery "black tradition" based free jazz I've ever heard. Really worth checking out.

3.Eddie Prevost/Keith Rowe/Evan Parker/Barry Guy"Supersession"- This would be a great starting point for anyone interested in the cream of the crop British improvisers scene. It's short, not too wild, but still unlike anything you probably have heard before. Abstract? yes, but extremely passionate and forceful. On Matchless Records.

[ 13-12-2001: Message edited by: Locustcrashsthorax ]
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:07 / 23.12.01
Cheers both.

With Christmas a couple of days away, hints have been dropped to family.
 
 
tSuibhne
16:35 / 26.12.01
A tip on finding new jazz musicians. Grab the records you've got, that you dig. Look who's playing on them. Check out what you think of their playing on the disk. If you dig, then look for some stuff by them.

Example:
I've got a couple Coltrane records. I always get off on McCoy Tyner's piano work on them. I just dig the way he plays. So, I go out and pick up some McCoy Tyner stuff. Then I see who he's playing with and pick up stuff by them (if I like 'em). Soon, you're building a nice little collection.

This is even easier if there's a local used record shop that has a good jazz record collection. You can pick up a lot of jazz records for only a few bucks used. For the price of one CD, you can sometimes pick up 4 or 5 records. Makes it much easier to experiment.

'nother tip, start looking for jazz radio stations. See if you've got any good ones. DC used to be home to one of the greatest jazz stations of all time, Jazz 90. Great selection from DJs who were full of all kinds of information, and always did thier best to tell you who played on a track (i.e. who the sidemen were) Just a perfect station. Unfortunatly, they were the college station for UDC, and lost thier funding when the city went bankrupt. Now, 90.1 is taken up by CSpan. DC radio has never recovered.
 
 
shirtless, beepers and suntans
04:08 / 05.01.02
all things John Zorn.

especially if mummy says you need to take this Ritalin so you can be a good boy.
 
 
T*M*U*M*A
04:08 / 05.01.02
a personal fave

Don Ellis - Electric Bath

a great album from an underrated musician
 
  
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