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PJ Harvey

 
 
Sax
05:36 / 29.11.01
Okay, bought Dry when it came out and played the grooves off it. By the time Rid of Me was released, I was dipping a toe further into the waters of electronica and didn't rate it too much. I then threw myself into techno for about a decade and completely lost track of Polly Harvey until recently when I bought Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea which has completely blown me away - I just can't stop playing it.

The question is, which, if any, of the PJ Harvey albums between Rid of Me and Stories... should I track down?
 
 
bio k9
06:16 / 29.11.01
I honestly don't know which one I like better, Rid of Me or To Bring You My Love. One raw, one polished, both fucking incredible.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
06:58 / 29.11.01
Get Dance Hall From Louse Point. Though I don't know who'd agree. It's fucked-up and wonderful.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
07:40 / 29.11.01
i like them all. though to bring you my love is closer to stories... in feel, production-wise, anyway.

rid of me takes dry into more fucked-up waters, both musically (thank you, steve albini) and emotionally. i used to love it when i was 18 or however young i was when it came out, but i find it hard listening now. 50ft queenie rocks my tits off still.

dancehall at louse point (with john parrish) is good, but i actually prefered the songs on the that was my veil e.p (which i don't have )

man, my brain is totally blanking on the title of the album that came out before stories..... it's probably the weakest of her work, but i still really like it. (i think the reason i don't play it very much is because i bought it on vinyl, and it was one of those cheap, thin pressings that some record companies insist on putting out, and i hate playing those oh, plus, i didn't take my record player to america and it's still at my mum's so i can't play any vinyl at the moment)

i really, really like the demo versions of dry (they came as a ltd edition with the vinyl when it first came out) -- i actually prefer them to the versions they brought out on the album.
 
 
Sax
07:43 / 29.11.01
Cheers, folks. Sounds like To Bring You My Love is going to be the next purchase. As soon as I can wrench Stories... off the CD player. That stuff is in deep at the moment.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
07:51 / 29.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Kooky is a bad scamp:
man, my brain is totally blanking on the title of the album that came out before stories.....


Is This Desire?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
08:01 / 29.11.01
Yep. And like Kooky, I don't play it that much - probably because, "A Perfect Day, Elise" aside, there's not a lot on it that grabs me.

If only there were a disc to go with Reeling...
 
 
ephemerat
08:08 / 29.11.01
Listen to none of these negative mumblings regardingIs This Desire?. I loved it - it's just a little more low-key and miserable than To Bring... or Stories from.... And I'm not alone on this.

And erm, yeah, the That Was My Veil ep (which I do have - ) is awesome. For Who Will Love Me Now? if nothing else - possibly one of the best songs she's ever done. Unfortunately she didn't write it (which is probably why it doesn't appear on the album).
 
 
mondo a-go-go
08:20 / 29.11.01
hmm..she didn't write is that all there is either, but that did appear on the album...

the song i really, really like on that e.p is losing ground, which is an oomphy peej song along the lines of is this love. or reeling

"robert de niro
sit on my face!"

um, i actually really quite liked is this desire, if anyone got the impression i didn't. i just haven't played it very much.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
08:33 / 29.11.01
Nor me, honestly. I bought it when it came out, and was really quite underwhelmed by it. If I'm listening to Peej, I'm just more likely to put other stuff on first...
 
 
suds
11:16 / 29.11.01
to bring you my love is the most wonderful dark beautiful album she ever did, imho.
 
 
rizla mission
13:20 / 29.11.01
'Is This Desire?' is my favourite.

Haven't got round to 'Stories from the City..'
 
 
Foxxy Feminist Fury
13:30 / 29.11.01
"Stories" is so fucking fantastic I can hardly stand it. Beautiful, romantic, sexy, dark, lyrically wonderous - I really think it's my favorite PJ album.

"And I draw a line/to your heart today"

Ahh.

Personally though, if you're in a quandry I'd pick "Rid of Me." Title track and "Missed" are worth the admission price.

[ 29-11-2001: Message edited by: Foxxy Feminist Fury ]
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:31 / 29.11.01
I really think the Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea is a huge drop-off in quality from her, though I know some people like it a lot... I think "This Is Love" and the song with "Horses" in the title are really good, but the rest is just some weird mix of bland modern rock and Patti Smith that I find really unappealing, and below Polly's talents.

I think To Bring You My Love is her obvious classic, and is just an amazing record... Rid Of Me is a close second, and Dry, Four Track Demos and Is This Desire are all worthy records with some great songs on them.

I just don't get Stories From The City...
 
 
Sax
13:49 / 29.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Foxxy Feminist Fury:
"Stories" is so fucking fantastic I can hardly stand it. Beautiful, romantic, sexy, dark, lyrically wonderous - I really think it's my favorite PJ album.


What Foxxy said.
 
 
Foxxy Feminist Fury
13:55 / 29.11.01
Flux - What the....?

First poor Ms. Hannah and now this.

What am I going to do with you, huh?

Hmm Hmm Hmm -

Gotta think about this one a bit - been a while since I heard "stories" and longer since "my love" - but I must say I think "Stories from the City,.." is her BEST album.

<walks off to prepare argument>
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:59 / 29.11.01
I sure hope that Polly isn't like Hanna, ie having her best work be behind her...

Hm. Liz Phair, Tori Amos, Mary Timony and Bjork all seem to be on similar downhill slides... hmmm.
 
 
suds
21:44 / 29.11.01
stories from the city sounds to me like a girl who has fallen in love with nyc.
it fits into a little empty space in my heart.
good fortune kills me.
kills me.

[ 30-11-2001: Message edited by: suds ]
 
 
Fengs for the Memory
11:25 / 30.11.01
After an initial rush of greatness, songs ...
has started to wear a bit thin. With a few exceptions I now find them very flat. Guitar pop from left over patty smith sessions. Yes that's harsh but, I need her to be better than that. Bring you my love
 
 
Foxxy Feminist Fury
11:39 / 30.11.01
I think musically, this is a fantastic album. Harvey has found a space musically to truly express herself. It's honest but not raw, sophisticated without being overproduced. Off the top of my head "Big Exit" and "One Line" are two of my favorites. It's an album that manages to be romantic, dark and sexy but not in a cloying way. Lyrically it's great, too.

I love:

"Baby baby
Ain't it true
I'm immortal
When I'm with you...


Brilliant!

"Do you remember the first kiss?
Stars shooting across the sky?
To come to such a place as this
You never left my mind
"

I also like that, from "One Line."

I don't know how anyone can look at "Stories from the city" as a step back or a dropoff in quality for PJ. I think it's clear she is growing and maturing as an artist, and she isn't afraid to go to new spaces musically.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:23 / 30.11.01
I'm with Cherry and Sax on this one. I do however see why people who liked Peej's earlier stuff might not be so keen on Stories... - it's such a more optimistic album in many ways, although there's still a lot of darkness in there... But because it's more accessible, more straight-up singalong verse-chorus-verse tunes, maybe people see it as being less of an accomplishment? Whereas I love it because of that. So much of it just sounds like coming out into the light at the end of the tunnel...

"Things I once thought
Unbelievable
In my life
Have all taken place..."


C'mon, how can you not love that, the way she delivers it?

Oh, and Flux: Bjork on a downhill slide? Hmmm. I think not. Vespertine's as good as anything she's ever done (except maybe Debut, but it's so hard to judge that album on its own merits, what with all those memories...).
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:23 / 30.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:


Oh, and Flux: Bjork on a downhill slide? Hmmm. I think not. Vespertine's as good as anything she's ever done (except maybe Debut, but it's so hard to judge that album on its own merits, what with all those memories...).


I think that Post and Homogenic are her best records - they both blow me away -and Debut, Selmasongs, and Vespertine are just good records. I would never say they are weak or bad, just not nearly as great as something like "Alarm Call" or "Hyperballad"...
 
 
suds
12:26 / 02.12.01
vespertine is like being locked inside an ice palace.
like homogenic, it's a grower.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
12:43 / 02.12.01
Apparently, unlike the rest of the known universe, I don't feel Homogenic is a 'grower' in any way shape or form. I think it is Bjork's finest album, and has the most pop songs she's ever recorded (Alarm Call, Five Years, Joga, Hunter, Pluto) on it. It's her most striking record in terms of music, lyrics, singing, and raw emotion. It immediately grabbed me in a way that very few records do. Vespertine is just okay. "Cocoon" and "Unison" are on the same level as the best songs off of Post and Homogenic, but most of the new album is just deadly dull, I think. I think it is below her talents, honestly. Conceptually I really admire it, but musically it leaves me very cold.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
13:24 / 02.12.01
yeah: i see homogenic as being the album in which the bjork's wild eclecticism (sonic wanderlust, anyone?) came together - where she marshalled all the syles, influences etc and really nailed them down to make her own form of expression. vespertine isn't quite so good - but i think it's unfair to mark it out as representing in any waya a decline. it's a beautiful li'l miniature - like suds says, an ice sculpture. the fact that she's still pushing her aesthetic into new territory - but not shouting about it is completely admirable.

as for peej - stories... is a return to form after is this desire? which i did find a disappointing record. but, for my money, the thing that sets rid of me above everything she's done since is that it sounded so completely, sincerely, expressively DIY. i think since that album she's struggled with the shadow of other artists - at first Nick Cave, and, with stories..., Patti Smith. likewise, i preferred her lyrics when they were less, uh - 'lyrical' and more raw, direct. seems she used to tap into different parts of herself, whereas now it all seems more external, narrative-based.
 
 
suds
13:50 / 02.12.01
sonic wanderlust i totally dig, autopilot.
the weird thing bout this thrad is that it was started about peej and then it veered onto bjork and i was just wondering why that happened.
it seems like these two are always compared and contrasted and put in the same proverbial box and i can never really figure out why cept they're both female.
any thoughts?
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
14:09 / 02.12.01
well, that they are female, are solo artists with a distinct vision, have similar career trajectories that happen beginning in the early 90s and continuing on til now, and both are very brilliant. that combo makes them obvious for comparison, I'd say. You could bring Tori Amos into this too, she's roughly analogous to Bjork and Polly...
 
 
autopilot disengaged
14:19 / 02.12.01
it is a bit dubious.

i guess, they have performed together... and they are both strongly idiosyncratic solo performers with a lot to say... and there aren't an awful lot of them about - of either gender - not with this kind of career continuity, anyway. even though bjork's icelandic, i do think she's identified (by us brits at least) as being british. so there's a homegrown link - i don't think either of them are often compared to - i dunno - tori amos or jewel or any of those US singer/songwriters...

they both take interpersonal politics, relationships as their main songwriting focus, often attempting to push the music besides and - are UK music icons.

it's probably fair enough, so long as it doesn't detract from their individual reps - and i don't think it does. hm.

by the way, suds: as a fellow brightonian, i should inform you myself and plums are going to try and make it to the upcoming cannibal ox gig, if you're interested.
 
 
suds
14:28 / 02.12.01
i just get really sick of female singers, how they always always get lumped together.
and lo and behold, so do they!... http://www.stuff.to/tori/tales/Q.0594.html

autopilot, i don't know who cannibal ox are. does that make me a bad person?
 
 
autopilot disengaged
14:42 / 02.12.01
yes: but help is at hand.

take a look at this for a good intro. a review of the record. they're straight-out amazing, but if hip-hop isn't you're thing they're more likely to traumatize than convert you. ok: cool. let us know.
 
 
suds
14:46 / 02.12.01
hip hop was my first love!
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
15:52 / 02.12.01
quote:Originally posted by autopilot disengaged:
tori amos or jewel or any of those US singer/songwriters...


I've got to say, it's pretty gross to have Tori and Jewel lumped together like that. Tori Amos has done a lot of great music, and it is really unfair to her to write her off like that...

Funny: Tori has been living in the UK for years and years now, while Polly and Bjork both live in NYC now...and yet no one ever thinks of her being even a bit British, which is odd, cos like you said, the Brits really have adopted Bjork in spite of her obvious Icelandic identity...
 
 
autopilot disengaged
16:18 / 02.12.01
i actually didn't know tori lived over here. hm. still - you're right - she has challenged a lot of assumptions over the course of her career. i like individual songs a lot, though i've never gotten into her as an artist the same way as the bjork or peej.

i know nothing about jewel, but am prepared to admit it was a pointless comparison.
 
  
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