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Painful Eastern European Techno

Pin

21:00 / 09.10.01

So I'm off to Eastern Europe for a while in a week, so on the off cahnce I find a record store (I actually know where there are at least three in one of the cities I'm off to... ), can someone tell me of any really really shit techno (of the head-ache inducing variety) that I can get to annoy people with?

12:12 / 10.10.01

[threadrot] Never mind that, when are you going to start churning out your own brand of painful, Isle of Wight techno? Hmmm? Have you got to grips with the software yet?

No star here laces

15:48 / 10.10.01

Pin, I should imagine that all the worst, most painful stuff will be the stuff we've never heard of, so go into the shop and have a listen, take a chance. It'll probably all be shit cheap anyhow. Anything with the word Gabber (or Gabba) in the title ought to do the trick, and I know they love that stuff in the Czech Republic, if that's where you're going.

For crappy goth industrial techno, well you can get that here, but lots of it has german sounding names (dunno if they're actually german or they just think it sounds cool).

My mate who likes this crap has lots of cds by wumpscut, Handjobb (Haujobb, actually, but the first name annoys her more), Evil's Toy and Velvet Acid Christ.

Doctor Sax

15:55 / 10.10.01

Have a look at The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa from Prague.

Actually, they're rather good, so they might not fit the bill.

Molly Shortcake

17:56 / 10.10.01

Tyrones above post certainly justifies his self-imposed description; musical bigot.

As a huge fan of 'Industrial' music in particular and electronic music in general, I'd like to set some things straight.

'Goth-industrial' is a blanket term created by teenage bubble gum goths (completely ignorant of both the history and influences of either movement) that's not very descriptive and certainly not correct.

A hodge podge culture, a by-product of goth (at least four or five iterations removed from the original) that rabidly assimilates anything it can to present itself as an original movement. Most notably 'Industrial' music and more recently, candy raver aesticitics (i.e the graver).

Both movements have roots in nihilism, their patrons tend to dress in all black - and since neither one has a sufficent following to justify their own night at a club... they tend to get grouped together.
In reality hyper-tence, aggressive 'Industrial' fans have little in common with the bullshit vampiric romanticism and pansy postering of todays typical 'goth'.

'Industrial' is a blanket term used to describe everything from noise music, Industrial rock, post-industrial techno and future pop.

Industrial, in particular, is rooted in dadaist tradition of anti/noise music and is meant to offend people.

I'm going to drink now, I'll edit the rest in later.

[ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: Ice Honkey U.B.C.S ]

No star here laces

06:54 / 11.10.01

dammit why isn't there a little smilie with a lump in its cheek?

08:00 / 11.10.01

I think the wink covers it. I wish we had more smilies, too.

Maybe you should change your fictionsuit to “Don’t take everything I say seriously.”

Pin

08:00 / 11.10.01

quote:Originally posted by Saveloy:
[threadrot] Never mind that, when are you going to start churning out your own brand of painful, Isle of Wight techno? Hmmm? Have you got to grips with the software yet?

Nope, none of it makes any sense. This is not to say I have not tried, but it either: won't load, won't make noises, won't install or won't even be recognized as a programme. Poo.

And yes, I'm going to the Czech Republic (Prague), Poland (Karkow, Auschwinchin (I think that's right. Where Auschwitz is, anyway) and somewhere else) and Germany (Neuremburg, Berlin).

It's a vodka supply run really...

.

08:00 / 11.10.01

quote:Originally posted by Tyrone Mushylaces:
wumpscut, Haujobb, Evil's Toy and Velvet Acid Christ.

:wumpscut: spell their name with colons at either end for no apparent reason. I love these bands and this type of music, i think you have to take it all as a kind of kitsch gesture. And don't they have great names? what about Armageddon Dildos, Think About Mutation, Digital Poodle, Leaether Strip, Dorsetshire, X Marks The Pedwalk? unfortunately all of the above are German (as far as i know).

No star here laces

11:25 / 11.10.01

the thing that always gets me about it (and please nobody take offense) is that it always sounds a bit like the cheesier end of either trance or gabber from around '94 or so, depending on how hard it is. I mean wumpscut sound just like disintegrator and evil's toy sound like new order crossed with N-trance or something. The names promise so much in terms of just horrible music, but then fail to deliver. It all seems a bit well, soft, really.

Now Renegade and Static's "We'll delete the weak", or Rotterdam Terror Corps - there was music that really inspired terror and offense. (insert misty-eyed nostalgic raver smilie here)

"Pssst, you wanna know what?

I'M THE FUCK YOU MAN!"

And you have to imagine about 20,000 scottish and dutch people in tracksuits going ballistic at that point to get the full effect...

12:31 / 11.10.01

That sounds amazing . You make me nostalgic over memories I never had.

No star here laces

12:45 / 11.10.01

No star here laces

12:47 / 11.10.01

Just to dispel any nostalgia, have a fat geordie shouting "let me see your hands in the air"...

Pin

10:08 / 16.10.01

Right. Well I'm off in about two hours. Fat lot of good you lot where. Fucking wasters...

Molly Shortcake

09:30 / 18.10.01

Digital Poodle - Canadian
Leaether Strip - Danish
VAC - American
Ice Honkey - fresh from an rockin Orbital concert on friday.

Haujobb is an ambient techno group. They make ONE album that could be called 'industrial' and they get branded for life.

quote:the thing that always gets me about it (and please nobody take offense) is that it always sounds a bit like the cheesier end of either trance or gabber from around '94 or so, depending on how hard it is. I mean wumpscut sound just like disintegrator and evil's toy sound like new order crossed with N-trance or something. The names promise so much in terms of just horrible music, but then fail to deliver. It all seems a bit well, soft, really.

I always felt the opposite was true. Most of the hard 'techno' material seems soft to me. A decent amount of this stuff has massive amounts of layers that can only be heard under massive amounts of drugs. (or lots of practice)

I hate Evil's Toy. :WUMPSCUT: sucks now. Embyodead used to be my favorite album, it gave my old roomate (a D'n'B DJ) nightmares.

Red Cross Iodized Salt

09:30 / 18.10.01

quote:A decent amount of this stuff has massive amounts of layers that can only be heard under massive amounts of drugs.

A mate of mine once sat in front of a TV with a video camera fed into it for two hours. He swears to this day that the 'visual feedback' of an infinite number of TVs was playing the tune "Three Blind Mice" - despite video evidence to the contrary (him sitting in front of a totally silent TV, wearing a tea cosy on his head, humming to himself). I've always felt that this said everything there is to be said about music that requires drugs to be appreciated.

Pin - if you're looking for unlistenable electronic stuff guaranteed to annoy, look no further than mp3.com. A quick visit to the Gabber section will uncover gems like "Kill Osama Bin Laden with a rusty KNIFE!" by The Poop Lovin' Criminalz (aka Gabberman) or "Flesh Crusher" by Crotch Wizard.

Sadly, DJ Skinny Gee - a deranged kid from California with way too much time on his hands and the worst music I have ever heard - seems to have taken his site down.

[ 18-10-2001: Message edited by: Suddenly there's Vancouver ]

Molly Shortcake

09:30 / 18.10.01

Your right Suddenly, but I've got too many colaborating witnessess, many of whom don't even like the stuff.

Electronic music is inherently layered from all the processing effects. Groups like Orbital and Front Line go several steps above with lots of additional manual layering.

It's not that the music can't be appreciated without drugs, it just that there's so much going on, it takes on a completly unique otherworldly quality while on them. Sides' it's the effects I'm interested in.

[ 18-10-2001: Message edited by: Ice Honkey U.B.C.S ]

No star here laces

09:30 / 18.10.01

I dunno. When I was 17 years old and off my tits on e and acid at a nasty scottish rave, I remember thinking Dye Witness' "Soap on a rope" was the greatest piece of music ever written, with layers of meaning and depth, and that it was showing all of us the way to a better world.

Needless to say, I was completely wrong. Subsequent listens to the song revealed it to be a formulaic piece of dutch rave crap with an irritating sped up vocal sample and some incredibly cheesy synth noises.

The danger of music and drugs is that, if you're fucked enough, anything sounds good.

Graham the Happy Scum

00:06 / 19.10.01

Continuing on mp3 silliness,
not gabber, more bizarrely derivative industrial music by some guy who sings in a german accent about crushing America and stuff.

KOMPRESSOR
For starters, try KOMPRESSOR DOES NOT DANCE or
ADDING UP NUMBERS.