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Gay artists 'coming out'

 
 
Ganesh
11:26 / 21.07.01
This is a spin-off from the 'Morrissey' thread. Basically, I have extremely mixed feelings about musicians who 'come out' as homosexual: on the one hand, visibility, role models, etc., etc.; on the other, there's sometimes a sense that they become 'demystified', that their music suffers from being laid bare.

In the case of Morrissey, I think the latter is definitely true. He taps strongly into themes of outsiderdom, male-male homosociality, men who have sex with men (but don't identify as homosexual), etc. A certain 'queer sensibility' informs everything he's ever done, both in The Smiths and in his solo career, but to write an explicitly 'gay song' (yeah, yeah, I know) would pin him down, pigeonhole him as a 'gay artist' - and divest him of much of his charisma. IMHO.

What do y'all think?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
13:25 / 21.07.01
I agree. There's a fascination with the strange which seems to inform the music lover, especially those who retain the sense of... I suppose 'awe' is the best word, when relating to the iconography of pop music.

When I refer to 'the strange', I'm not really speaking of the othering that occurs when (for example) a straight George Michael fan is informed that he's gay - it's more the mystery of 'what is he/she?'

For example, one less loaded from my own school days... Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart - I remember sitting in school earnestly discussing this with a couple of tiny friends... "Are they... you know... doing it? Is that song about, um, her?"

When we found out what was going on, it was kind of deflating. It was the not knowing, the aloof quality they had as pop stars writing about this and that. A mate of mine told me that she held Annie up to be a gay icon for years, and was a little hurt when someone told her she wasn't... as if Annie had lied to her.

Morrisey is probably the most interesting example to use. He still holds that element of mystery, of attraction, to men and women, after years both in and out of the public eye.

Basically, I want my rock/pop stars imaginary, larger than life, and dead, if possible. In other words... bodiless.

Reading that back, I now have no idea whether that actually agrees with what you were talking about, 'Nesh... but there we go.

And 'The Boy With The Thorn In His Side' is the twelfth best song of all time. But I would say that, because I'm a dodgy goth dragonboy with delusions of pulchritude.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:01 / 21.07.01
Hmmm, I'm thinking about the Pet Shop Boys. I doubt that anyone was in much doubt what was going on there, I think everyone knew in advance but when Neil Tennant actually went and said "I'm gay" something about them disappeared, some scintilla of doubt that we could hold on to, they were always best about being a question mark in music and here they were making some things definite. Gah, I've just woken up, can you tell?

On the other hand it was Select magazine (I think) that did a big sympathetic article on the lead singer of Ocean Colour Scene being outed and then when their album got released a few months later saying "if you thought you'd have to change your opinion of OCS after finding out their lead singer's gay, don't bother. They're still crap."
 
 
Ganesh
14:43 / 21.07.01
Sure, the Pet Shop Boys were pretty obvious (although, as with Freddie Mercury, I do recall at least one impassioned debate with a hardcore fan who refused to believe there was anything 'poofy' about them); after Neil Tennant's 'coming out' interview in Attitude magazine, their music seemed to go through a 'happy' phase, with the exuberant 'Very' album. Their fanbase, one suspects, is quite different from Morrissey's so, in a sense, there was less for them to lose.

Michael Stipe's 'coming out', as has been remarked upon, was similarly low-key - and seemed to coincide with a 'happy' album in 'Reveal'.

George Michael's somewhat forced 'outing' was followed by 'Outside', one of his better singles - and not so much since...

Despite the short-term 'buoyancy effect' upon their music, I think an artist who 'comes out' does lose something in the long-term. Some manage to hang onto some glamour by hinting at a sleazier, pervier side (Marc Almond), by continuing to ally themselves with the pan-sexual delights of club culture (Pet Shop Boys) or by stubbornly insisting upon being considered bisexual (currently in a homosexual relationship) a la Michael Stipe.

I don't think Morrissey could get away with any of these approaches. I think he's right to remain coy and implicit.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:06 / 21.07.01
You know, I could have sworn that Stipe came out a couple of years ago.
 
 
Ganesh
15:09 / 21.07.01
He came out with vague stuff about being 'trisexual' and alluded, I think, to 'encounters' with both men and women.
 
 
grant
13:16 / 23.07.01
Yeah, he's been sort of famously polysexual since they were just an Athens band. I don't think anyone paid it much mind.
 
 
Christopher Pressler
13:20 / 24.07.01
Pet Shop Boys and Morrissey may have a similar fanbase due to the fact that few other bands in the eighties were producing lyrics of that quality. Tennant and Morrissey are often the reverse of their popular images, i.e. Morrissey funnier that Tennant and Tennant more melancholic than Morrissey.
In fact, I think they are this way round 90% of the time, which is why I love them both.
 
  
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