BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


We Love Life

 
 
CameronStewart
22:47 / 07.11.01
New Pulp album, then.

What you reckon? At first I was disappointed by the lack of anthemic songs, but since buying it yesterday afternoon I've listened to it about 8 or 9 times and now I really like it. And it's got at least one song in the classic Cocker formula - quiet breathy whispers telling stories of his youth leading into singing higher than his vocal range will allow...

[ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: CameronStewart ]
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
23:53 / 07.11.01
It's alright. Not nearly as great as This Is Hardcore or Different Class, but about as good as His N Hers. It actually kinda sounds as if it was written and recorded between His N Hers and Different Class to my ears.

I guess I'm disappointed overall, but I really love "The Night That Minnie Timperley Died" a LOT. "Trees" "Weeds" and "Birds In Your Garden" are good songs too.

Maybe I would feel better about the record if it wasn't such a long wait between LPs for them...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:26 / 08.11.01
Oh, I love it. Particularly the one you single out, Cameron, 'Wickerman' - I particularly love the very Tindersticks-like close, with the strings coming in and the pace building up and up - great stuff.

Other favourites: I like the two parts of 'Weeds' - I think it's a bit like a more mature, complicated, possibly less optimistic take on 'Mis-Shapes'... Jarvis has seen now the way that the haves feed off the culture of the have-nots, the way the mainstream recuperates the weirdos, and he writes about that in a way few songwriters can. Has possibly the best line of album: "Go on, do your funny... little... dance!"

I love the way that various themes are repeated, too - the idea of finding solace in nature, obviously, but also, there's a lot of death on the album ('Minnie Timperly', 'The Trees', 'Roadkill'), and yet it's juxtaposed with the idea of rebirth, the circle of life if you will (do I sound like a wanker yet?). 'The Trees' in particular, aside from being one of the best tunes on the album, ties together the idea of decay/growth and dead relationships really nicely... I also love it for that moment where Jarvis sings "You try to shape the world to what you want the world to be!" with some desperation, and the familiar Britpop-sounding electric guitar comes in... quite a lot of this album makes me feel nostalgic in a poignant way... sad I know. It's also quite telling that 'I Love Life', which should be the most outright happy song on the album, has the darkest, nastiest sound at the end...

This is definitely their "light at the end of the tunnel" record, after the bleak, slightly hollow last one (which was partly *about* being successful but miserable, but still sounded a bit too much like what it was describing, in a bad way, if that makes any sense). After hitting rock bottom, they've got out of the city and got some fresh air... I thinkj We Love Life is probably better than its predecessor, although whether anything will ever be better than Different Class, I don't know.

'Bob Lind' is interesting because it covers some of the same ideas, but could almost fit on This Is Hardcore - as could 'Bad Cover Version', which is kind of out-of-sync with the rest of the record, except that it's about breaking up again, but it's got some killer Cocker couplets (tm) at the end:

"It's like a late Tom and Jerry
When the two of them could talk
Like the Stones since the Eighties..."
etc.

And 'Birds In Your Garden' may be my favourite - really atmospheric and actually quite rousing, almost anthemic... Plus nice play on idea of "doing what comes natural"... And it's just a great image, you know? Jarvis stumbles out into the back garden of his girlfriend's house for a fag at 6am, and then the birds tell him, in song, that he should go back in there and shag her. All right.

God, I love this band.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:40 / 10.11.01
'Bad Cover Version' is probably my favourite song on the album - not necessarily the best, just my favourite. Whenever that song finishes I hit the 'back' button and listen to it again before going on to the rest of the album.

Question: My first Pulp album is 'His N' Hers', which, along with the following three, I love immensely. For some reason I've been avoiding the earlier ones because I have this idea that I'll be disappointed in them.
Are they any good? Worth having?

[ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: CameronStewart ]
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
07:44 / 11.11.01
Well, as far as I'm aware Jarvis doesn't think they are that good, the first one rips of the chords from a Leonard Cohen album that the young Jarv liked at the time. He has gone on record as slating their old record label 'Fire' though whether this was just for them repackaging old Pulp stuff to make it look new or because he thought their old stuff was rubbish i can't recall. I think the early ones may well be worth listening to rather than necessarily buying, but I haven't heard much of them myself (and what I've heard I wasn't particularly impressed by, though possibly for reasons I may explain later).

Worth seeking out is 'Pulp Intro' which is a compilation of the three EPs they put out on Indie Record label Gift just before they did 'His'N'Hers', it's in a very similar style, though the third EP 'Inside Susan' is a bit dull it has the wonderful 'Space', 'OU' and 'Sheffield: Sex City'.

After careful consideration I'm not going to buy the new album straight away, not until I've had a chance to get it out of my library for free. And this was mainly because I was disappointed by 'This is Hardcore', the dark songs like 'The Fear', 'Party Hard', 'Help the Aged', 'This is Hardcore' and 'Seductive Barry' were great, but the rest seemed rather rubbish. And this is a problem with Cocker's lyrics, he quite often writes rather trite things, but if it's a good song that doesn't matter (I love the bit on 'Seductive Barry' where he sings 'I will light your cigarette with a star that has fallen from the sky') but if the song falls flat it sounds really, really bad ('Dishes' or 'A Little Soul'). And having heard both 'Trees' and 'Sunrise' which is supposedly the best track on the album and not being impressed at all (though I only found out who it was at the end so may not have been giving my full attention) I'm not expecting 'We Love Life' to be any better.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
11:09 / 11.11.01
I'm pretty familiar with the first few Pulp records, but I'm going to go with the recommendation of the Pulp Intro record, it really does have all of the best tracks from that era, "She's Dead", "I Want You", "Sheffield Sex City" "My Legendary Girlfriend", "This House Is Condemned"...

I'm going to go on record with this: I think This Is Hardcore is without question Pulp's best work, save for the song "Sylvia", which I just don't care for. Everything else about it is fantastic... I especially love "TV Movie" "A Little Soul" "I'm A Man" and "The Day After The Revolution"...
 
 
grant
17:52 / 12.11.01
So -- Bob Lind wants to know how the song named "Bob Lind" stands up.

I mean, besides the fact that it sounds like something off This is Hardcore.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
17:55 / 12.11.01
Has this album been released in the US yet?

I heard the "trees" single once and thought it was really dissappointing, but I'm holding out hope for a good album to come.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
20:11 / 12.11.01
not yet. the Pulp official site says the US release date is TBA. You can get it on import at Virgin and Other Music, though, or on good ol' Audiogalaxy.
 
 
CameronStewart
09:23 / 13.11.01
Ha ha...it's out domestically in Canada...
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
09:23 / 13.11.01
Cameron, yr Canadian???

I had thought you were Scottish for some reason.

Also, off topic: what comics have you worked on besides Swamp Thing? I really only know yr work from what little you've posted here.
 
 
CameronStewart
09:23 / 13.11.01
I'm from England orginally, but I emigrated to Canada several years ago. I still have the funny accent.

Aside from Swamp Thing I've worked in various capacities on The Invisibles, Transmetropolitan, The Dreaming, Superman Adventures, Detective Comics, Deadenders, Joker's Last Laugh, Hellblazer, and more besides. At the moment I'm on the all-new, all-singing, all-dancing Catwoman, from issue #5. I recently completed a short comic with Grant Morrison which I will try and get up on the web somewhere, once I figure out the legalities.

I'll have a website coming soon, which will have a comprehensive CV. Thanks for your interest - now back to discussing Pulp!
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
09:23 / 13.11.01
That's quite a list, Cameron. Very impressive.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:12 / 13.11.01
Just wondering: I saw Pulp do a couple of songs off this album while watching Jools Holland the other week, and they seemed a bit - limp, I guess. Not as edgy or dynamic as some of their other stuff that I've heard. Was this just a shitbox live performance, or is it indicative of the songs as a whole? I mean, is it an album that has to grow on you, or is it more instant than the lacklustre performance would infer?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:09 / 13.11.01
That wasn't a fantastic performance by Pulp's standards, I'll grant you that - the 'Later...' format suits some artists better than others, and I think El Jarvo needs a proper audience and time between songs to tell tall tales, rather than being sandwiched in between an old country git on the verge of collapse and some Malaysian drummers, as is usual on that show.

As to how immediate the album is - not very, I'd imagine, but then again I loved it immediately. So go figure.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
11:35 / 13.11.01
I think you're right about Later..., Fly: what was best about Pulp's appearance there was when Jarvis was "interviewed" by Jools, at the piano. There was a moment where Jarvis looked at the camera and you could see "HELP ME!" written all over his face...
 
 
Ierne
18:49 / 13.11.01
It actually kinda sounds as if it was written and recorded between His N Hers and Different Class to my ears. – Flux

I should love it then. But I'm not lovin' the idea of shelling out $$$ for the import version...(sigh)
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
23:59 / 13.11.01
Well, it WILL come out domestically in the US, so hold out a bit if you can.

It's a nice album, but not worth the import $$$, if you want to go with my take on this...
 
  
Add Your Reply