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Traz
03:03 / 08.03.02
I found these interesting annotations to Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction; they may be old news to some folks. If you know of any more sites featuring similar stuff, lemme know. Couple questions, though:

1. To what does the title of Reservoir Dogs refer?

2. Mr. White's ex-girlfriend Alabama is the same woman who hooks up with Christian Slater in True Romance, correct? Is Joe's ex-girlfriend Toby what's-her-name ever mentioned again?

3. How much of Mr. Orange's subsequent behavior hinged on the fact that he got too "into" his role and killed an innocent woman? Do you think that he ceased to be a cop for more than a few seconds and actually entertained the notion of running away with Mr. White to escape the punishment that would have been waiting for him had he lived to return to his job?

4. Did you see any evidence to corroborate Joe's claim that Mr. Blue was killed? How would Joe know? If Mr. Blue was killed, why wasn't this shown? The heist wasn't show due to budget constraints, I presume, but why not this?

5. I'm assuming that the reason Mia Wallace overdosed was because she mistook Vincent's smack for coke, and the former isn't snortable. Correct?

6. Did you notice the stoner chick on the couch during the Big Needle Scene, the one with no spoken lines? Was she there for any particular reason?

7. Is it fair to assume that the Gimp's willingness to be a slave 24/7 is seen as an indicator that he has left the realm of D/S in favor of something a lot less healthy?

8. Why do some of the promotional pictures for Pulp Fiction show Mia with a gun, which she never had in the flick, and Jules without his jheri-curl wig, which he most certainly did have in the flick?

Any other comments you might have on these two movies -- anecdotes, symbolism, continuity errors, general impressions -- would be appreciated.
 
 
Margin Walker
03:51 / 08.03.02
1. To what does the title of Reservoir Dogs refer?

I've read in an article that it's a bastardization of "Au Revoir, Les Enfants"

3. How much of Mr. Orange's subsequent behavior hinged on the fact that he got too "into" his role and killed an innocent woman? Do you think that he ceased to be a cop for more than a few seconds and actually entertained the notion of running away with Mr. White to escape the punishment that would have been waiting for him had he lived to return to his job?

I can't really say. I'd assume the police dep't would write it off as friendly fire because if he hadn't shot her, he'd of instantly blown his cover. That's the LAPD for ya....

4. Did you see any evidence to corroborate Joe's claim that Mr. Blue was killed? How would Joe know? If Mr. Blue was killed, why wasn't this shown? The heist wasn't show due to budget constraints, I presume, but why not this?

It's been a long time since I've seen RD, but I though Blue was lying dead in the same car as Mr. Brown.

5. I'm assuming that the reason Mia Wallace overdosed was because she mistook Vincent's smack for coke, and the former isn't snortable. Correct?

H probably is snortable, but the fact remains that the average herion user gets violently ill the first 2-4 times that they shoot up. Moreover, Travolta's character had been shooting up for awhile, so he probably knew how to get the pure shit--none of that 3rd rate baby laxative stuff.

6. Did you notice the stoner chick on the couch during the Big Needle Scene, the one with no spoken lines? Was she there for any particular reason?

2 reasons, maybe 3: 1) to set up the joke about Travolta & Stoltz being all chummy, but they aren't close at all "Stoltz: Hey, I think ____ likes you." "Travolta: Who? You mean the chick with all that shit in her mouth?" "Stoltz: Nooo, that's my wife", 2) to be the punchline when Mia wakes up and everyone's silent except her. 3) Maybe he was a big fan of "The Commitments" (she also played one of the singers in that flick).
 
 
The Monkey
04:10 / 08.03.02
4. the entire point of the film is that you never see the heist...only the before and after. It's what sets apart the film from the body of "heist films" - the payoff, the sort of ejaculatory portion of the plot (preceeded by the foreplay of planning, etc.) is simply cut.
And didn't Mr Blue die during, or just after the robbery. hence they wouldn't show it.
The film is also a sort of Roshamon - most of what you "know" about the heist is related by different people, so you end up with a pieced together idea of what happened, but no objective confirmation.

5. Heroin is snortable...but uncut (pure, or at leats purer) heroin meant for injection is waaayyy to potent for snorting. And the character Mia is a coke addict, not a heroin addict, so the impact of that much heroin is that much worse...no tolerance whatsoever developed. The fat line, like she snorts, is maybe the equivalent of two, even three, injections of cooked-down heroin.

6. the stoned young woman is no there for any particular reason...she was jsut there earlier, and probably stayed through to the evening.

7. um, dude, his friends are red-neck rapists...I'd say he's something far different and worse than a consensual D/S submissive. In the film, the way he is treated in language and behavior suggests a sort of bestialization...which could be seen as a [very creepy] form "submission"....

8. The Uma Thurman posters for Pulp Fiction mimic the covers of old, actual pulp fictions...alluring, vampish babe, slender automatic pistol, title in big chunky cheap type.
I dunno about the jheri curl thing.

My one point would be, on the link you give they describe the bullet holes behind Jules and Vincent as continuity errors...could they have been there, but the two hitmen didn't notice them?
 
 
Jackie Susann
04:16 / 08.03.02
I remember reading an interview one time where Tarantino said the gimp was someone who the shopkeepers had kidnapped, fucked and tortured a lot, pretty much what was waiting for Bruce and Ving (can't remember character names) down the track a while.

I think it's supposed to be open to interpretation whether it's the same Alabama. And whether Mr White is actually an older version of Christian Schlater (Larry as short for Clarence?) There are a bunch of other names that come up in a couple of films, like Scagnetti - the fuckhead cop in NBK, the parole officer mentioned in RD.

I think the idea is that Mr Orange shoots that woman on pure instinct; he sees her gun come up and does something to save his life without thinking. I don't really think he considers running off, but it's possible - I just think he was a bit of a weasel.
 
 
moriarty
04:25 / 08.03.02
I remember reading once that they had either misplaced the jheri-curl wig, or Sam Jackson was just sick of the thing and asked if he could go without.

Originally, Jackson was supposed to wear a gigantic afro wig, but the props guy got confused and picked up the jheri-curl instead. Production was so tight that they couldn't hold it to get the real deal.
 
 
The Strobe
07:45 / 08.03.02
Note also, in that fabulous piece of imdb trivia, that Vincent and Mia do NOT win the twist competition. Earlier in the film she says "we're taking that trophy home", and they do; they nick it. There's a radio announcer in the background of a Bruce Willis segment announcing the theft of a trophy. Which of course, they take home. Surprisingly few people spot this.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:23 / 08.03.02
Is it stating the obvious to point out that the slightly psychotic Mr Blonde (Michael Madsen) is Vincent Vega's brother ("how's your brother Vincent?")?
 
 
sleazenation
08:53 / 08.03.02
Only as obvious as pointing out what's in the suitcase...
 
 
grant
13:47 / 08.03.02
More meaningless, itty-bitty trivia:
The cab driver in the Bruce Willis getaway scene - the foxy, knowing Latina? She's the same actress & same character (in a different job) from an FSU student film Tarantino saw, liked, and had produced as a feature. It's called "Curdled," and the lady plays a woman who cleans up after murders.
I've never actually seen the film, but I wandered through their sets a few times (had a friend in the same film program.)
The movie does show up on late night cable sometimes, still.

- g
 
 
Traz
17:11 / 08.03.02
Heh. There's all sorts of great anecdotes about these films, aren't there? I understand Madonna gave Tarantino an autographed copy of Erotica with the following note: "Quentin, it's about love, not dick."

I also stumbled across an essay that claimed that Reservoir Dogs is in homage to Sartre's play No Exit, in which three people are locked in a room for eternity. (Hell isn't flames and hot pokers, it's other people.)

More random speculation:

9. Were there any hints as to what really prompted Marsellus Wallace to throw Tony Rocky Horror out of a fourth-story window?

10. Both movies utilized non-linear stories, but only Pulp Fiction ended in the middle of the story. Was this because the redemption of Jules was a stronger finale than Butch's escape, or was there another reason?

11. Which movie was better and why?

12. Why did God come down from Heaven and stop those motherfucking bullets?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
01:07 / 09.03.02
Curdled was one of the most godfuckingaweful films i've ever seen. if his short was good, he cracked under the pressure of a first feature. not even uncle quentin could get him back in hollywood after that failure.

he's a teacher now.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:30 / 09.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Traz:
10. Both movies utilized non-linear stories, but only Pulp Fiction ended in the middle of the story. Was this because the redemption of Jules was a stronger finale than Butch's escape, or was there another reason?


The way that they are presented I think works better with Jules' redemption than Bruce and his girl riding off into the sunset. You've got a very long story which is split up, partly by Vincent and Mia's story and by Butch's story. The way that they were awarded at the Oscars et al shows they missed the main point of the film, it's not Vincent's story, it's Jules'.
I also heard somewhere that Harvey Weinstein was concerned that John Travolta was shot and killed so Tarantino said "relax, it's okay, John's alive at the end of the film..." which is technically true.
 
 
Rev. Wright
11:59 / 09.03.02
I have an interesting point with regards the moment before Vincent and Jules eneter the room where the case is to retrieve it.

When Vincent walks off down the hallway slightly I found this scene to be very Brechtian, we witness a momnet when the Vincent/Travolta element cross. The actor/gangster has to psyche himself up for the coming scene.

Don't know what you guys think, but I found it sublime in the effect of control that Tarantino holds over his production. Also, I noticed the homage to Mr Orange's original character in City on Fire, is the engagement ring. In Res. Dogs it plays the role of magic item, that Mr Orange uses to disguise his true identity, but it also nods to the hillarious relationship difficulties that the original Hong Kong character suffers.
 
 
Utopia
03:19 / 18.03.02
in the immortal words of papa joe (lawrence tierney, rip)

"as everybody knows, a reservoir dog is a dog that hangs around a reservoir."

he said this at a press conference for rd. supposedly it is a misinterpretation of a godard flick that tarantino thought sounded cool.
 
 
grant
16:41 / 18.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Gypt:
Curdled was one of the most godfuckingaweful films i've ever seen. if his short was good, he cracked under the pressure of a first feature. not even uncle quentin could get him back in hollywood after that failure.

he's a teacher now.


Yeah, I heard it was pretty bad.
One of those things that should have stayed a short, instead of being stretched out.
 
 
seamonkey
17:26 / 18.03.02
Does anyone know if he has any new films in the works? I know he likes to act as well, but it seems he's been restricting himself to cameos, mainly of the self-referencing type (like in a couple of recent episodes of "Alias").
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
18:12 / 18.03.02
-Do you know what they call a double post in France?-
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
18:15 / 18.03.02
He's allegedly been working on Kill Bill, a kind of kung-fu action travesty, I mean, tribute, and Glorious Bastards, a WWII film.
 
 
gozer the destructor
13:44 / 21.03.02
I know its pedantic but doesn't the A-Z of Tarantino quote somebody saying that Vincent is Mr Blondes Cousin?

quote: Is it stating the obvious to point out that the slightly psychotic Mr Blonde (Michael Madsen) is Vincent Vega's brother ("how's your brother Vincent?")?
 
 
Jack Fear
14:26 / 21.03.02
Well, QT's supposedly got a proposed film in the pipeline to be called "The Vega Brothers," so there's that.
 
 
Utopia
09:45 / 23.03.02
"vega brothers" is bullshit. they're not actually brothers in tarantino continuity, they just share the same name. originally, michael madsen (vic from RD) was intended to play vince in PF. he turned down the part or something. ever notice how vince's trip to amsterdam strangely coincides with vic's death? tarantino playing with this whole situation. otherwise i'm sure lance etc would make mention of vince's brother who DIED while he was in amsterdam. although one could argue that brother vince fled to amsterdam in a fit of grief over vic's death...but that type of fan logic is best left to star wars/trek fans... marvin nash, the cop (RD) is no relation to marvin nash ("oh man, i think i shot marvin in the head!") in PF either.

and besides, aren't john travolta and michael madsen too old and too fat to play their younger selves, anyway?
 
 
thefax
01:42 / 26.03.04
To what does the title of Reservoir Dogs refer?

It's explained in the first line of the movie, and in this thread.

A reservoir is a lake, a special kind of lake because it is not natural. It has been walled up my man. A dog is the opposite of a cat, sometimes referred to as a pussy cat.

In the opening scene, Mr Brown, not coincidentally played by Quentin Tarantino, talks about how the song Like a Virgin was basically a metaphor for big dicks. Morning, noon, and night, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick.

How many dicks is that?

Of course, we all laugh. But if you count, you realize, that's eight dicks. Joe, Eddie, Mr. White, Mr. Pink, Mr. Blonde, Mr. Orange, Mr Blue and Mr Brown. How many dicks is that?

Now, Madonna told Quentin he was wrong. Quentin knew he was wrong, which is why he had Joe finish his Chinese name search with a confident "Wong", immediately after Brown finished his speech on Like a Virgin.

Madonna's song is about love, or more specifically, a woman experiencing sex for the first time on the emotional level. In society, a person loses their virginity when they experience sex on the purely physical level. Of course, in humans, there is a huge emotional level, that mainly relates towards women, but is important in men to.

Madonna said that she was "Like a Virgin" because while her pussy was no longer naturally blocked, it was now metaphorically blocked. These guys were Reservoir Dogs because their emotions were damned up so far inside them, and it was a man-made damn. They were dogs because that is the opposite of cats.

The whole movie is a metaphor for big dicks, basically. Or more accurately, an example of a world where women are treated solely as base objects. (BTW, I am a straight man). Maybe it was a metaphor for homosexuality, but I don't think so.

They talk about "The Night the Lights went out in Georgia" next, I don't know that song well enough to analyze it, but I do know that the only prominent woman in this movie was the one who shot Mr. Orange, thus ruining the whole caper. Then they get into the whole waitress/tipping thing. In short, the best way to show you appreciate a woman? Give her money. And the best way she can be nice to you? Take you in the back and blow you.

Their names were all chosen carefully. Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were the most obvious. Mr. Pink was a pussy, doing what he did solely for himself. Mr. Brown was the color of shit. His explanation of Like A Virgin was so off, so anti-woman, that's it's no wonder that when he died, he said he was blind, but Mr. Orange corrected him. "You're not blind, you just have blood in your eyes." And what is the most common reason blood can't reach the brain in men?

Mr. Blonde. Fancy way of dressing up something terrible. Blonde is seen as an attractive color for women, but all it really is is yellow, a color so despicable for a man that Joe had to remind Mr. Pink to be thankful that he wasn't Mr. Yellow. And, Mr. Blonde was a coward. His attack on Marvin Nash (gnashing ones teeth is a sign of sexual frustration) was a metaphor for a rape scene, which is why the camera turned away when he cut off the ear. We turn our head away from these things. No wonder Eddie said he did his time 'like a man' at the end, even though he had earlier made fun of him for taking it up the ass.

Mr. White and Mr. Orange. Mr. White is kind of the combination of every color. The explanation of Like a Virgin is really the explanation of the White/Orange relationship. White is feeling something he hasn't felt in years. Notice he has been shot and just killed two of his oldest friends, but the cry he let out when Orange told him he was a cop was one of pure anguish.

Undecided on the Orange meaning, though. Maybe a mix of red (anger) and yellow (cowardice)? Don't know. Mr. Blue, of course, was a sad, old man.

'Nice Guy' Eddie. Typical nice guy. Yells at the guys for beating on the cop, then kills the same cop later when the need serves him.

Joe. Something to do with the Thing, I think. Still researching RD.
 
 
Captain Zoom
01:21 / 20.05.05
Did anyone watch the Tarantino directed finale of CSI? It was among the best 2 hours of television I've ever seen.
 
 
eddie thirteen
02:04 / 21.05.05
As far as the Reservoir Dogs title goes...you know...I'm surprised no one (that I've read) has ever said anything to this effect, but we do actually SEE dogs in the film. The police dogs in Mr. Orange's drug anecdote, barking at him because they're on to him as the cops stand around, oblivious (a pretty clear parallel to Orange's actual undercover situation). The scene takes place in a men's room, full of sinks and (probably more to the point) toilets -- reservoirs of water. So...

Missed the CSI thing (never been a fan), but I'm sure it will be rerun endlessly.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
19:21 / 21.05.05
Did anyone watch the Tarantino directed finale of CSI? It was among the best 2 hours of television I've ever seen.

I used the same words to describe it to a friend.
 
 
Bear
19:28 / 21.05.05
I just watched it this afternoon, CSI I mean - CSI is fine at the best of times but this was a little better. I love the fact that Taranito gets involved with TV shows he likes and he is a great TV show director.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
18:04 / 22.05.05
I was not looking forward to Tarantino's CSI, mostly because I'd watched his episode of ER and had no clue what was going on the whole time.

This was much different.

This should have been a theatrical film, and was FILMED like a theatrical film, with none of the TV conventional filming techniques. Not only was it one of the best written TV shows ever, but it was probably the best LOOKING TV show I have seen in a long time.
 
  
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