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Chris Morris thing in today's Observer

 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
06:16 / 17.03.02
Buy the Observer. There's a 4-page Chris Morris/Armando Iannucci special. (Sorry- got to be brief cos I'm still at work and it sucks.)
 
 
LMG
07:15 / 17.03.02
The articles can be found here:
http://www.observer.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,668706,00.html

'Julie Burchill: How I liberated Kandahar with the news that Tony Parsons is a bastard.'
 
 
Fist Fun
12:12 / 17.03.02
Dang nabbit, I just started a thread on this in the forum 911. Oops.
Anyway the webpage has quite a few differences from the article. I have scanned some stuff in here.

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alas
13:37 / 17.03.02
and I just responded to Buk's thread in forum 9/11. arg.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
17:01 / 17.03.02
I've skimmed it but i haven't really read it yet. I know this satire could never, ever play in the States, and part of that is whole "unamerican" (using the term ironically here, really!) nature of the piece, and part of that is I don't think the wounds have really healed for me at least to joke.

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Naked Flame
08:40 / 18.03.02
Some of it is really far too near the knuckle. But then that's their schtick, isn't it?

Other bits, however, had me in stitches: Bush being minaturised and injected into Laura Bush's big toe in the interests of national security... Bush admits that bin Laden 'may only be six inches tall'... more absurdism, less cruelty, please.
 
 
Ganesh
08:40 / 18.03.02
Oh, I think the cruelty's equally important, if not more so...
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
10:03 / 18.03.02
I'm just surprised he didn't shove a scale model of the Twin Towers right up a tiny child for the amusement of his evil Channel 4 paymasters...
 
 
sleazenation
10:07 / 18.03.02
I agree with nesh here- subjects such as 9/11 need to otherwise it just becomes another "great unspoken" adding feul to a culture of victimhood, where no-one takes responsility for their actions.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:20 / 18.03.02
Yes - but I think one can be quite forthright about 9-11 without being unfunny and crass, and a lot of that article was either unfunny or crass or both... and I'm not sure who it was intended for. Observer readers who can snicker quietly over it and thank God that they're aware enough to get all the jokes and references? Well, that's really going to affect people's understanding of 9-11 and subsequent events, innit?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:42 / 18.03.02
And to be frank, matters of national offense aside, some of the article was just piss-poor. Phoned-in as opposed to actually making a point...
 
 
w1rebaby
10:43 / 18.03.02
i thought it was great and the viciousness was justified, if not demanded (would a gentle satire have worked? we have enough soft soap being used already in the regular media) but then I am both unfunny and crass

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The Planet of Sound
10:48 / 18.03.02
Well, that's really going to affect people's understanding of 9-11 and subsequent events, innit?

Yes. That's what satire's for.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:55 / 18.03.02
It's what it is for, yes, but I think in this case that it did not work. In fact I am not sure whether satire ever does work, as it does rather preach to the converted... but to be specific, there was *nothing* in the piece which made me think again about 9-11 and subsequent events, & I thought it was basically quite self-congratulatory: 'WE all understand that this is amusing, becasue we are all brainy and have read all the arguments and opinion pieces about 9-11, and therefore we are laughing at people who aren't brainy enough to have come round to our point of view yet...'
 
 
sleazenation
11:10 / 18.03.02
Well traditionally satire was the form of choice from groups of the educated yet politically disenfranchised- as opposed to what kit kat seems to be discribing as the intellectually disenfranchised.

Satire is the most vicious and blunt weapon in the armoury of rhetoric. And can often open to a variety of miss-readings. Think of Judge dredd- a satire on law an order politics or the apothosis of the far right?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
11:14 / 18.03.02
Well traditionally satire was the form of choice from groups of the educated yet politically disenfranchised- as opposed to what kit kat seems to be discribing as the intellectually disenfranchised.

Both really, but more the former than the latter - politically disenfranchised because Blair and Bush are hawkish, intellectually because opinions which do no subscribe to the Blair-Bush administrations' view of events are often discredited by pro-administration media... OTOH, such opinions can be published whereas it is going to be hard to force the administrations to take any practical notice of them.
 
 
noone
11:53 / 18.03.02
I thought it was funny. It needed to be darker though, in my opinion, because sometimes comedy is best pitch black.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
13:09 / 18.03.02
Well, on the one hand I was glad the whole thing COULD be laughed at - and really, it's about time. At least in plenty of U.S. coverage I think there's a tendency towards the maudlin and overly dramatic with the whole thing, which at times I think pretty much cheapens what did happen.

Of course, at this point, you like to think that people are far removed from the whole thing to wonder what the hell we're now doing in the whole "war" thing.

Now that I've read the whole thing, I must admit I didn't get too many chuckles out of it. But this was less because I was offended at anything that was said, and more because I just didn't think much of it was all that funny.
 
 
Sauron
13:12 / 18.03.02
I hope the Knowledge read it.

I have caves in my shoes.
 
 
sleazenation
13:19 / 18.03.02
Of course the other thing that should be remembered about satire is that it largely is not MEANT to be funny. It is meant to be grotesque and hideous, - and reflects the grotesque, hideousness of the post 9/11 world which seems to be indanger of being accepted by the vast majority of people completely uncritically.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
13:37 / 18.03.02
I think that if satire isn't funny it is bad satire, as a fair chunk of the stuff in that section was. Although the Gilbert and George commemoribiliart was quality.

As to the rest - I'm reminded of Peter Cook's comment on the opening of the establishment, which was very roughly:

"We see satire as primarily a tool for change. That's why we've modelled the Establishment on the political cabaret of Weimar Berlin, which did so much to prevent the rise of Adolf Hitler".

Which is one thing that annoys me about this piece - that the middle classes can get a warm fuzzy about being able to look at it with ironic detachment, but it doesn't really make any effort to proselytise. In fact, with its knowing absurdity, self-consciously complex language structures and position nestled safely in the review section of the Observer, it's saying "You already knwo that Bush is a fool and that the so-called war on terrorism is badly-thought out, destructive and pointless. So do we. You're just like us. Doesn't that make you clever?"

Second, it's sufficiently patchy as to suggest that Ianucci and Morris neither submitted themselves to outside editing nor applied themselves with any rigour to self-editing. Which suggests that they are hitting or have hit the fanboy event horizon. It's very dangerous when people realiset hat they can produce any old cock and as long as it largely resembles their earlier stuff a legion of low-slung denims with internal fatbeard modelling will lap it up, protesting that Morris/Hicks/Pratchett/Gene Simmons is mighty all the while.
 
 
sleazenation
14:50 / 18.03.02
And this is where a thread already derailed into the territory of what is satire becomes a full scale hatfield into the land of what is 'funny' or 'makes you laugh' .

Equally any discussion of the paucity or otherwise of the editing behind the piece as a platform for for an attack against the percieved its lack of 'funny' can equally used as a platform of attack against those ubertrendy tossers with their "i was here first when it was still cool" mentality
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
14:55 / 18.03.02
I liked him before he was big, you know.

When he was...still....a....pointy...little....elf.
 
 
Ganesh
19:16 / 18.03.02
Made me laugh - even if, at times, it was too easy to identify which was Morris's and which was Ianucci's stuff.
 
 
w1rebaby
19:20 / 18.03.02
Ianucci's got that distinctive tone which always makes me imagine him reading it out on a Radio 4 comedy programme, possibly one hosted by Punt and Dennis
 
 
Ganesh
19:40 / 18.03.02
Oh, surely he's a little better than Cunt and Penis...
 
 
w1rebaby
19:44 / 18.03.02
oh yes, but they seem to have the monopoly on radio 4 comedy, every time i turn the thing on i hear the little shits

they're a bit like the comedy Collins and Maconie. Or are Collins and Maconie the film Punt and Dennis?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:37 / 18.03.02
The problem is that Ianucci's stuff is always a bit too wacky, and if you're going to do a satirical piece of 9/11 and the "War on Terror", it needs to have some bite. Morris' best work has always been, somewhat ironically, driven by his own kind of moral outrage - and this seemed to lack enough of that to be anything other than... well, a bit juvenile.
 
 
DaveBCooper
07:21 / 19.03.02
Patchy, granted, but as ever, this is the sort of thing we need to counterbalance the questionable journalism (read : lies and hysteria) which so much of the news media foisted onto us at the time.

Showing the towers falling repeatedly (to music, in the case of ITN), and then a couple of days later saying that a whole generation would be psychologically scarred by the sight of what happened. Cause and effect, you morons.

Still, I suppose it gives them something to do, what with the paedophile campaign having kinda run out of steam and all. I'd like to see a campaign against asinine and ill-informed newspaper campaigns, myself.

DBC
 
 
DaveBCooper
07:30 / 19.03.02
Curse my rage, I double posted.
Excuse me.

DBC

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Naked Flame
07:47 / 19.03.02
An aside: is CNN still showing the attack footage at every available opportunity? Can't check the vids on their site at the mo but as recently as 6 weeks ago, I know they were...
 
  
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