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(RT) Mothman Movie - cryptozoology hits the big screen

 
 
grant
12:35 / 29.10.01
From today's (overstuffed) inbox, something about tall, winged humanoids with red glowing eyes on featureless gray faces:

Subject: [inexplicata] Mothman flap?

When the movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind was released on November 16, 1977, UFO experts predicted a big flap
would occur. It never materialized. Instead, people felt the movie
explained everything for them. Something a little different is going to happen with Mark Pellington's 2002 motion picture. With the new movie, K-PAX, in theaters now, the trailer for The Mothman Prophecies is being shown. Will this Mothman movie, however, cause a new wave of sightings or flaps? The movie is a psychologically complex movie,
a large budget journey for Richard Gere, which will leave many questions, rightfully, unanswered. Besides movie goers buying Keel's book, they now have some other choices. My new book, while mostly concentrating on Mothman, in one form or another, also contains words on the criticism of Keel, the human being that is Keel, and the cultlike following that his
work has created. Mothman and Other Curious Encounters looks at the space-time window of Point Pleasant, 1966-1967, as well as the historical framework
of other flying wonders and weird creatures that haunt the Fortean and cryptozoological worlds. Many movie-goers in the general public are unaware of this context. Are we truly prepared for what awaits us when the movie is released? Loren Cover art ad by Bill Rebsamen at http://www.lorencoleman.com


I'm curious if anyone has anything to add:
* if anyone has researched the Mothman (or just looked him up on the web)
* if anyone knows anything about the Owlman of Cornwall (or was it Devon?), a similar rash of flying humanoid sightings after the West Virginia Mothman case.
* if anyone is just a fan of Mothman stuff in the pop culture (or in this case, subculture) sense - if there have been times when Mothman has had the same kind of panache as Bigfoot in some circles.

links:
Here's a Sony web page for the movie: http://www.spe.sony.com/movies/mothman/

Here's a fact- (and Flash-) filled page for the movie:http://www.mothmanlives.com/

A nice summary of the mothman case: http://www.prairieghosts.com/moth.html

A perspective on the book which really brought the case to light, John Keel's The Mothman Prophecies: http://www.blather.net/archives2/issue2no5.html
 
 
sleazenation
14:52 / 29.10.01
i've researched both mothman and owlman- (and am pretty surprised its taken this long for the mothman movie to finally be released)

Owlman is quite an elaborate series of hoaxes and halftruths sustained by that staple of British cryptozoology Tony 'doc' Shiels - there is a book on the owlman - self published by a guy called Jon Downes. If you want i could try and dig out some of my old resources and the text we produced for the mothman and owlman cards...
 
 
grant
17:06 / 29.10.01
Could be cool. I figure if we load this thread with resources and factoids before the movie comes out, we can shunt it over to the Film & TV forum so readers can have a bunch of background to play with at the movies.
 
 
gentleman loser
14:20 / 15.11.01
I want to keep this thread alive, since it seems that cryptozoology threads drop like a stome on this board.

I don't know if a movie like this will fly today as the U.S. paranormal craze seemed to peak in the mid 90's (say 1994 to 1997).
It's got Richard Gere (ick). Still, I'm cautiously optimistic that it won't suck.

I've read everything I could find on the Mothman, which is not much (never could track down a copy of Keel's book). It's a one shot "flap" case and not a recurring phenomena like Bigfoot. It doesn't seem to be entirely explainable as a mere hoax. I do have a book that says there were some Mothman sightings in Texas in 1976, but I've never seen this repeated in other works. Perhaps he was just some extraterrestial or hyperdimensional visitor checking us out, or maybe he's just a manifested demon of the collective unconscious.

BTW, the December 15, 1967 Silver Bridge collapse that is sometimes blamed on Mothman seems to be a coincidence. The Discovery Channel did a hour show on it and made a convincing case that the eyebar that broke was inproperly manufactured. That along with corrosion and metal fatigue cased the bridge to fail. Of course, maybe that's what the government wants us to think!

This disaster is also blamed on an Shawnee Indian curse.


Here's the NTSB report.

There's already been another Mothman movie, though I don't know if it was ever completed or released. I bet those guys are feeling ripped off!

Pet the Pig has some songs about Mothman. I remember seeing another band named Mothman somewhere on the net a few years back.

More stuff to follow later.

[ 15-11-2001: Message edited by: gentleman loser ]
 
 
Rose
19:53 / 17.11.01
Cryptozoology anyone?
X-Project

Most of the articles written are from a somewhat skeptical point of view (which is of course a good thing), however, they will cover just about anything -- no matter how ridiculous.

Does anyone remember the show "Animal X", I believe that it aired on the BBC -- here in Ontario, Canada, it aired on "Space: the Imagination Station" (a little Canadian station). If I remember correctly there was an episode about the Mothman.

Fun stuff.
 
 
grant
16:46 / 19.12.01
A fresh excerpt of Loren Coleman's book here.
excerpt of excerpt:
quote:Certain areas appear to be routinely visited by Fortean events. Depending upon your interests, these locales may be called “haunted places,” “monster countries,” “spook light sites,” “triangles,” or “windows.” John Keel created the concept and indeed coined the word, as well as certainly popularizing the notion of “windows” when he first talked about them menacingly and humorously in his articles and books of the 1970s. Although he introduced the idea in UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse in 1970, most people relate the term “window” to the area around Point Pleasant, West Virginia, and Keel’s book about it, The Mothman Prophecies (1975).

“The phenomena he records,” wrote Jerome Clark in High Strangeness (1996), “exemplify the window at its bizarre best: Over a period of many months UFO activity is frequent, sometimes so frequent that people go UFO-hunting on a nightly basis with reasonable expectations of sighting something. The sightings include events ranging from distant observations to close encounters. Paranormal activity of other sorts often amplifies as well; the Point Pleasant area was also a hotbed for encounters with men in black and a monstrous creature known as Mothman. This full panoply of phenomena accompanies some long-term, narrow-distribution waves; in others the window opens wide enough to admit only UFOs.”


So... windows.
I like windows, because I think they might represent memetics at work, as a spreading infection.
 
 
Captain Zoom
17:53 / 27.12.01
A study of cryptozoology gave me nightmares for weeks when I was younger. I've recently rediscovered an interest in it. For anyone who's even remotely interested, here's something kind of cool.
http://www.mezco.net/crypto.html

Zoom.
 
 
grant
12:33 / 04.01.02
quote:Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:21 AM
Subject: [inexplicata] Mothman


> Hi, All -
>
> I'm back, and I look forward to what the year brings.
>
> HBO has their "making of" screenings beginning Jan. 10th, F/X rolls out the documentary Search for the Mothman on Jan. 22nd, and the movie opens Jan. 25th.
>
> My book, Mothman and Other Curious Encounters, is out from the publisher,
> and John Keel's reprinted 1975 one will be soon.
>
> Mothman cometh.
>
> Happy New Year to everyone,
> Loren Coleman
> http://www.lorencoleman.com
> for more Mothman News


quote:> Wireless Flash Weird News : December 28, 2001
>
> 2002: YEAR OF THE MOTHMAN?
>
> POINT PLEASANT, W.V. (Wireless Flash) -- A
hideous creature called the "Mothman" may soon be as well-known as Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster.
>
> The Mothman is a 6-foot-tall creature with
wings that haunts the town of Point Pleasant, West Virginia -- usually
appearing just before a major disaster, such as a bridge collapse that killed 46 people in 1967.
>
> Locals are afraid to discuss the Mothman, but they may not be able to avoid it starting next month, when a new movie, "The Mothman Prophecies," opens in theaters.
>
> Mothman expert Loren Coleman [senses] media attention will turn Point Pleasant into a paranormal tourist trap "a la" Roswell, New Mexico, and [create more] myths than facts.
>
> As a result, he's trying to get Point Pleasant locals to spill the beans about the Mothman now, before tourism changes everything.
>


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grant
12:37 / 04.01.02
quote:Originally posted by sleazenation:
If you want i could try and dig out some of my old resources and the text we produced for the mothman and owlman cards...


WELL???
 
 
sleazenation
12:38 / 04.01.02
tangentally related -

Cryptozoologist and author Dr. Karl Shuker appeared on the UK version of who wants to be a millionaire recently. i believe he got up to a quarter of a million pounds.
 
 
tSuibhne
18:14 / 04.01.02
Anyon reccomend easy to read books on cryptozoology? Always been kind of interested, but never got around to diving in.

Hmm, I'm not that far from WV, and I've got a few friends there. Wonder if I should stop in before it turns into a 'tourist trap.'

[ 04-01-2002: Message edited by: I Am ]
 
 
grant
12:39 / 10.01.02
You should go.

The movie is based on John Keel's The Mothman Prophecies, available from Amazon and elsewhere.

Here's a review of the film. It looks like it could be good.
 
 
sleazenation
12:45 / 10.01.02
The Mothman prophesies is an eminantly readable book. Almost like philip K dick writing the x-files...

Cryptozoology books I've read include the field guide to north american monsters, was also quite fun.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
14:44 / 10.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Captain Zoom:
A study of cryptozoology gave me nightmares for weeks when I was younger. I've recently rediscovered an interest in it. For anyone who's even remotely interested, here's something kind of cool.
http://www.mezco.net/crypto.html

Zoom.


Mezco's pretty cool. I'd love to get the full collection of their Cryptozoology figures.
 
 
Captain Zoom
20:16 / 11.01.02
They were supposed to be out a few months ago but got cancelled. I got some perverse pleasure from the Scary Tales line. It satisfied my Alice in Wonderland fetish. They've gone a bit horror with the Crypto figures, but cool nonetheless. The Loch Ness one is a neat interpretation.

Zoom.
 
 
Molly Shortcake
01:41 / 12.01.02
I read anything and everything that had to do with monsters as a child. Mothman stuck out to me for some reason. I used to be paralyized under the covers, I could swear he was just outside my window, waiting for me. The movie looks good, I can't wait.
 
 
moriarty
03:15 / 12.01.02
For the past 5 years I gave my brother, "North Bay's Leading Cryptozoologist", a book on unseen animals for every Christmas. It's a really great feeling to know that I can give him something he can pore over and ponder for hours, and that will hopefully keep his dreams going with nothing around him to keep him at it.

My mom and I just sent in an application for him to join the BCSCC for his birthday gift. I hope he runs with it.
 
 
moriarty
03:24 / 12.01.02
Oh, and I just looked into the Mezco Cryptozoology line (early Christmas shopping) and it looks like its only been delayed until September 2002, not cancelled.

I've gotta convince someone to get me a Popeye figure for my birthday.
 
 
Molly Shortcake
19:17 / 12.01.02
mothman site

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Bear
20:17 / 21.01.02
Grant (or anyone else in London) the European premier for this is on the 3rd of Feb at the Metro, just spotted it thought I'd let you know -

dinna dinna dinna dinna Mothman
 
 
grant
02:05 / 22.01.02
I believe it premieres this week on this side of the Atlantic... any objections to my moving the thread into that shallow, tawdry forum known as "Film & Television" in honor of the big day?
 
 
Bear
06:48 / 22.01.02
Nah that makes sense to me, and sorry for some reason I thought you were in London?
 
 
Mr Ed
12:55 / 22.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Bear:

dinna dinna dinna dinna Mothman



Ooooh, off to the Anime night myself. Emily Booth form Bits will be there, apparently.
 
 
Bear
13:07 / 22.01.02
Right hold on a second, Emily Booth - really? on the Friday night? she's like my dream girl at the moment, I think she's even beating buffy .. I'm off to check out these claims of yours....

Edited to add - whens the anime night? is that the new type of anime section? or do you mean the all nighter with Jin Roh and Akira?

Sorry this shouldn't really be in the lab ...

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grant
15:20 / 22.01.02
moved to film.

Enjoy the RESEARCH, you SQUARE EYES!!!
 
 
grant
17:04 / 24.01.02
gotta love a map with "dead dog" marked on it.

 
 
Tamayyurt
15:43 / 25.01.02
So has anyone seen this movie yet?
 
 
Logos
23:53 / 25.01.02
Yes. It's middling good, or perhaps merely an OK X-files clone.

I have to agree with the guy on NPR who said the best things about it are the production design, and the fact that it does a very good job of putting you inside the head of someone who comes to see EVERYTHING as significant.
 
 
grant
14:44 / 28.01.02
From Roger Ebert:
quote:Richard Gere stars as a Washington Post reporter named John Klein, who is so happily married (to Debra Messing) that when they agree to buy a new house, they decide to test the floor of a closet for lovemaking purposes, to the surprise of the real-estate agent who walks in on them. If there's one thing you demand in a real-estate agent, it's the good judgment to leave a closet door closed when he hears the unmistakable sounds of coitus coming from behind it. Furthermore: Gere is 53. He's in great shape, but to make love at 53 on the floor of a closet with a real-estate agent lurking about is, I submit, not based on a true story.

quote:The director is Mark Pellington ("Arlington Road"), whose command of camera, pacing and the overall effect is so good, it deserves a better screenplay. The Mothman is singularly ineffective as a threat because it is only vaguely glimpsed, has no nature we can understand, doesn't operate under rules that the story can focus on, and seems to be involved in space-time shifts far beyond its presumed focus. There is also the problem that insects make unsatisfactory villains unless they are very big.

Gere and Linney have some nice scenes together. I like the way he takes a beat of indecision before propelling himself into an action. This is Linney's first movie since "You Can Count on Me," which won her an Oscar nomination. I saw it again recently and was astonished by her performance.


On the other hand (excerpted from popmatters.com:
quote:The fact that John is a reporter is important. He's all about facts, after all, and so his inability to explain any of the events that befall him, try though he might, extends an aura of "truth" around his account of the mysteries. He decides to stay in Point Pleasant to solve the mystery of his own arrival there. With the help of police sergeant Connie Parker (Laura Linney), Klein investigates other strange goings-on around town, interviewing some of the many locals who have seen the shadowy mothman. He also has his own visitations that become increasingly threatening; most of these point toward a hinted-at disaster that will occur in Point Pleasant in the near future.

Eventually, as John begins to question his own journalistic rigor and even his sanity, a number of inconsistencies in the stories of the mothman crop up. Several characters allude to the nature of time and the mothman's presumed ability to move back and forth in it. This, I guess, is how the creature can be privy to information concerning the disasters it warns against. But why does it care to involve itself in human affairs? At one point, the eminently down to earth Connie counsels John that even if the mothman is warning of future disasters, there is nothing we can do about it; things will happen, she tells him, and people we love will die. Against her human fatalism, the mothman's prophecies are confusing. If it is a harbinger of doom for Point Pleasant, why does it reach out all the way to Washington, DC to bring John Klein into the mix? Why bring him all the way to Point Pleasant?

Whatever, let it go. There is much to enjoy in The Mothman Prophecies, provided you don't look too closely at such details. There are a number of moments when the film could easily fall into standard horror or psycho thriller fare, but Pellington shows restraint and admirable resistance to generic clichés. The Mothman Prophecies never gives up the ghost, if that is one possibility for what the creature might be. We are never subjected to some creature feature mothman, nor does John or Connie come to any conclusion as to what the mothman is. Alien? Supernatural entity? Who knows? It makes the scary stuff even scarier not to have "the answer," and makes for an affecting film that leaves you wondering long after the credits roll.



Rotten Tomatoes gives it a 51% - which means opinion is sort of divided, which means I'll probably like it.
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:31 / 28.01.02
I don't know, I may not be as articulate or verbose as these other people but I thought this movie was great!
 
 
FinderWolf
03:59 / 01.02.02
This movie kicked ass. It's one of the few things I've liked Richard Gere in, too. I'm off to buy John Keel's book and devour that sucker!!!

Oh, and Laura Linney is a goddess and a damn fine, classy actress.
 
 
sleazenation
03:59 / 01.02.02
It REALLY pisses me off that so much of Mothman's Audience will dismiss it as an x-files rip off when the Mothman Prophesies (ie the book on which the film is based) was so clearly a main source of inspiration for Chris Carter when formulating the x-files.
 
 
Molly Shortcake
01:30 / 03.02.02
I thought the movie provided an interesting look into the nature of prophecy. Basically, one mans personal decent into hell and subsequent redemption. Decent ambience, so so transisions - meant to be from the MM POV (came off as more computer generated than anything else). Some great and unexpected shots break the auidence out of their viewing complacency. The Moth Man is rather ineffective as a menace in of itself and comes off as being a non-entity.

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Some really provocative symbolism in waterbound car wrecks and floating christmas presents, dead weight and lost utopias, *shudder*

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The ending is phenominal. Breath taking.

All in all, I wish there was more meat to back up the ambience.

It reminded me of Konamis cryptic Playstation2 title Silent Hill 2 ALOT. The main character was also drawn to some strange town under mysterious circumstances, obsessing over his dead wife Mary who's only concern was his happiness....

Oh, and there's this reacurring moth theme....

[ 03-02-2002: Message edited by: Lord Rugal Ultimate ]
 
 
grant
15:17 / 16.03.04
Owlman returns?

UFO ROUNDUP
Volume 9, Number 11
March 17, 2004
Editor: Joseph Trainor

E-Mail: Masiniagan@aol.com
Website: http://www.ufoinfo.com/roundup/

WINGED WIERDIE SEEN IN WEST MIDLANDS, UK

On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 9:30 p.m., Steve Nicklin and a friend "were walking across" Northicote Farm in Wolverhampton, West Midlands, UK "nearby an old Tudor farmhouse" when "me and a friend saw a humanoid greyish figure with a human-type head standing in a tree (part of many trees that border the farm; these were tall pine trees, and the figure stood in the top branches--S.N.) We estimated its size at around 7 feet (2.1 meters). It had two legs and two arms connected to membrane-type wings. Its clawed arms seemed connected to these wings, a bit like a pterosaur."
"It moved its head and looked directly at us, since the moon was full and there were street lights not far away (the farm is near a heavily-used road--S.N.). It turned its head from us, took one giant leap and glided to the next tree. The tree bent under this creature's weight as it took the impact."
"It then turned its head to look at us once more. Its gaze felt that it could look into our very being. We both felt quite scared (even though my friend is an ex- artillery officer in the Territorial Army and has done a lot of night patrols--S.N.) We both fled quickly."
"We sat down and discussed what we had seen. It was a creature the like" of which "we had never seen before nor want to ever see again." (Email Form Report)
 
 
FinderWolf
18:06 / 16.03.04
Wow - fucking cool. It's cool to know these kinds of sighting still happen in the present day...
 
  
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