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Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
10:26 / 19.02.02
Well, let's ask an expert on superheroes. This from the mighty Warren Ellis:

I've caught bits of a couple of episodes.
There's a corner of the web that must be DROWNED in Clark/Lex slash fiction already.

One sequence I caught had them blatantly watching each others' lips as they talked (which was just the actors making sure they got their cues right during a lengthy conversational scene), which must've had that grotesque part of the audience/fanbase squirming in their sofas.

Eh. I don't intend to make an effort to catch any more.


Because, kids, being gay is WRONG. Never mind whether it is any good or not, or what the acting or scripts are like, the characters could provide excitement to "grotesque" slashers. And that would be WRONG.

I think I feel a boycott coming on.

Of all GAY things. Which are WRONG.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:29 / 19.02.02
Now, now, Haus, let's be fair - I think Ellis' unpleasant prejudice is aimed not at homosexuality, but at slash fanfiction and its writers...

He could made that clearer, though.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
10:33 / 19.02.02
Hang on - so he refuses to watch things on the grounds that they could inspire slash fiction? That's fantastic...
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
10:37 / 19.02.02
That would involve boycotting all TV, all films and all books.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
10:38 / 19.02.02
Totally cut off from any form of art or culture...

Well, at least it explains Strange Kiss.
 
 
moriarty
12:36 / 19.02.02
quote:Originally posted by The Haus of Deletia:
One sequence I caught had them blatantly watching each others' lips as they talked...


When I first read that, it provoked a very peculiar feeling, you know, down there. Thank you Warren Ellis! I would have been forever blind to the more subtle homoerotic nuances of the show if it wasn't for your crusade!
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
13:15 / 19.02.02
Fuck me. What the hell is next? Some drooling pervert writing stories where Batman and Superman, just altered enough to avoid copyright infringement, are lovers?

Um.

Hang on....
 
 
Ganesh
13:25 / 19.02.02
Actually, his father's pretty much the most homoerotic thing on TV at the moment...
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
13:28 / 19.02.02
Hmmm....started off well in the Dukes of Hazzard and just kept getting better and better....
 
 
Ganesh
13:30 / 19.02.02
... and the crowd says "Bo! Erector"...

(Stop this. Now.)
 
 
Sax
13:48 / 19.02.02
Well, he did spend a lot of time in General Lee.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
13:50 / 19.02.02
And, curious boy that he was, he must have had a Luke around every once in a while....stoppitstoppitstoppit...
 
 
moriarty
14:06 / 19.02.02
I came this close to sharing some Boss Hogg/Sheriff Roscoe slash with you, but thought better of it.
 
 
SecretlyClarkKent
15:57 / 19.02.02
From the James Wolcott article 'It's a Bid, It's a Plane... It's the Zeitgeist!' in Vanity Fair, March 2002: quote:In the first episode, Lex discovers Clark strung up like a scarecrow in a wheat field, a blood-red Spainted across his bare chest. The Crucifiction pose taps into the Superman-as-Messiah myth, maintaining continuity with the original, but it's staging and lighting make it also a classic tableau of homoerotica - a daring new direction for the Superman story, yet one that doesn't smack of camp subversion. Lex's fixation on Clark/Superboy always had a jilted-lover quality, a spurned fury, to which the comic-book writers seemed oblivious, mentally stunted as they were by the cereal-box aesthetics of cartoon convention.

I never did catch the first episode [or the few after that] but I had managed to catch the image that Wolcott is referring to in a magazine. The WB used it as the original ads for Smallville... the first time I saw it, my jaw dropped, quite literally. The picture is a pretty blatant take on Pierre et Gilles' work. So I was actually pretty into the show before I ever did finally see it. The image now serves as my computer's desktop image, mainly because I can have it up there without my mother thinking anything of it. She just thinks I like the show... not the boys on the show.

-Jared
 
 
moriarty
17:12 / 19.02.02
quote:Lex's fixation on Clark/Superboy always had a jilted-lover quality, a spurned fury, to which the comic-book writers seemed oblivious, mentally stunted as they were by the cereal-box aesthetics of cartoon convention.

Because comic-book writers weren't knowledgable adults who were straining against editorial constraints and had to be subtle with controversial themes, they were a pack of fucking retards who accidentally loaded the Superman mythos with all manner of subtext.

Fuck.
 
 
gridley
16:44 / 20.02.02
quote:Originally posted by moriarty:
I came this close to sharing some Boss Hogg/Sheriff Roscoe slash with you, but thought better of it.


I'll show you mine if you show me yours....
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
07:14 / 28.02.02
OK - anyone see yesterday's episode?

How much in love with Clark is Lex?
 
 
The Natural Way
07:16 / 28.02.02
A Gajillion much. That's a grillion tensquillions times infinity million.
 
 
Bear
07:25 / 28.02.02
Yeah I saw it -poor Lex no wonder he turns out the way he does...

Isn't Peter Parker meant to be appearing in it soon?
 
 
The Natural Way
13:42 / 28.02.02
Ummm...that's unlikely: Spiderman is a Marvel *property*, supes is DC.
 
 
gridley
19:44 / 28.02.02
what happened in that episode anway?

I was far too turned on by the way they were watching each other's lips to actually pay attention to the plot....
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:59 / 01.03.02
Can we just talk about the 'invisible person'/Lex-has-a-stalker episode for a minute? (Because I only watch the repeats.)

This seemed to be a step forward in that the 'loony kryptonite mutant kid of the week' was something of a sideline, and the misdirection wasn't *too* obvious (I liked the fact that the stalker girl kept dropping heavily unsubtle hints about being invisible). However, it still suffers from this bizarrely blatant sentiment that the lives and welfare of supporting characters matter not one jot either to the show or - and this is the bit that sits ill even with a non-traditionalist like me - to he-whp-will-be-Superman, Clark Kent. Does the mother get her job back? Will Lex's vague friendship with the blonde girl ever be rekindled? We don't know by the end of the episode, and I expect we never will.

Clark just doesn't care, he's too busy staring at Lex's lips... You know that Kelly Brook's character is just a 'beard' Lex has drafted in to throw his father off the scent.

"So, Clark, you found my girlfriend passed out naked in the bath and had to lift her out bodily and then give her mouth to mouth - how did that make you feel?"

*shrug* "Did nothing for me, Lex - wanna go get a grand latte?"
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
17:16 / 02.03.02
quote:Originally posted by The Haus Red:
OK - anyone see yesterday's episode?

How much in love with Clark is Lex?


Go to the Smallville recaps and forums and you will see that everyone knows that Clark and Lex are secretly hot for each other. And for that matter, over in the X-Files, Doggett and Skinner are in love too.

I'm serious. All of you get off your duffs and go read these brilliant pieces of work.

[ 02-03-2002: Message edited by: Kali ]
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
11:30 / 21.03.02
Sadly, Kali, I cannot do the recap thing, for fear of spoilers - but I can see it could be difficult *not* to notice.

There's a lovely anecdote about a "blooper" from the pilot where Lex is waking up after being rescued by Clark and the kiss of life leads on to discussions of a "superfuck". Bless.

Anyway, last episode - non-specfific in case anyone is waiting for the repeat on Sunday. How highly-developed is Lex's moral compass? How noble and selfless is he? At this rate, Clark seems to be more likely to turn bad...

I also like the fact that Clark and Lex both protect people, but Clark contextualises it as "doing the right thing", whereas Lex is very Simonidean - he goes to any length to protect his friends, to the exclusion of what is generally considered "just".
 
 
gridley
11:45 / 21.03.02
That's a brilliant analysis, Haus. I hope the Smallville writers are as aware of what they're doing as you are so that they can keep it up. So far so good...
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
11:53 / 21.03.02
I feel I am being mocked.

Hey ho.
 
 
Bear
13:22 / 21.03.02
"Hey Yo" surely?

I'm quite enjoying Smallville though. I just wish they would turn Lex heel, but that probably wont happen for awhile.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
13:29 / 21.03.02
Noooooo! Lex must learn from Clark the gentler virtues and apply them with his customary genius into becoming a philanthropist, genius and all-round cool fucker! Thus will the mythos be subverted!
 
 
Bear
09:37 / 22.03.02
What is the mythos of Superman, I'm not much of a superman fan but in the comics do the explain why Lex turns out to be Lex or is his nice side just a Smallville thing? I'm guessing if anything (according to the TV show) its his dad?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:53 / 22.03.02
There are two basic mythoseseseseses to Superman. Several decades ago he had superpowers pretty much from the getgo and spent his pubertal years as Superboy, doing more or less a junior version of Superman, hanging in Smallville and trying (as CK) to impress Lana Lang. He also hung around with the Legion.

Then they changed the continuity. Superman's powers didn't kick in until around the age of 19 or 20, Superboy didn't exist and there was only Superman. His teenage sweetheart Lana Lang eventually married someone else and he got Lois Lane.

Lex Luthor doesn't really get involved in either story, as he and Supes don't cross paths until Clark Kent comes to Metropolis and starts his super-career. In that sense 'Lois and Clark' is more faithful to the comic mythos.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
11:33 / 22.03.02
I believe, actually, that in the "original" version (ie the Superboy imprint launched on the back of the original Seigel and Schuster Superman, as opposed to the John Byrne reboot), Lex Luthor was a schoolfriend of Clark Kent (same age - whereas in Smallville he looks to be about 24-25 and in the Superman mythos now he is a bit older again, I think) who discovered he was Superboy when he saved him from some Kryptonite. Applying his mighty brain to a way of making Superboy immune to Kryptonite, he was in an accident that robbed him of his hair, for which he blamed Superboy and embarked on a campaign to destroy him. Like Victor von Doom, but even more specious.

Now, arguably Smallville Lex could discover the Clark/meteor rocks/baldness connection, but it seems unlikely that he would be too upset about it - sure, treated like a freak at school but it made him the man he is today. Sooooo....
 
 
Bear
11:35 / 22.03.02
Danke' - soooo it'll probably just because like you said "Lex Loves Clark very much"
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
11:44 / 22.03.02
Lex can't become a meany now - I've emotionally invested. To Hell with Canon.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:43 / 22.03.02
aha, but therein lies the genius, it'll be much too late by then.

Love it, am dangerously hooked already (on something other 'lithers also watch? how bizarre) and spent last week's episode seeing friends forming into Lex and Clark factions.

Idiots. They'll learn. It can only be luscious lexy.

Oh and at the risk of being the most tragic person ever, did anyone see the 'making of' prog on C4 last Sunday? Joyous. The guy who plays Clark pointing out how all his interactions/relationships are triangles... Clark, Lorna, Whitney... Clark, Lex, Daddy Kent etc. So beautiful... Daddy's whole 'keep away from my son, I don't like your type' schtick....

[ 22-03-2002: Message edited by: Lick my plums, bitch. ]
 
 
The Natural Way
13:46 / 22.03.02
Right...most of my favourite 'Lithers are digging on this show...

Think I'll give it another go.
 
  

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