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Is anybody making stuff out there?

 
 
Cleanliving Ruby
12:36 / 30.12.01
Don't know if this is relevent to the group or not, but i am interested to see if any of you guys have tried to make any short films/ tv/ whatever, inspired by the principles of the barbelith collective?

I am currently trying to do this in London at the moment and would be interested in hearing about other peoples experiences, ideas etc.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:39 / 30.12.01
What "principles" would these be, exactly?

I don't see a single Dogme-like ideology at play here--infact, quite the opposite: a staggering diversity of (often argumentative) aesthetic viewpoints. There's an undeniable freethinking political slant here, yeah, but I'm not sure how that translates into a stylistic approach to film.

I'm interested in what you see as the overarching artistic principle here.

Or am I missing the point? Are you simply asking about films with Barbelith-style subject matter, or about an actual methodology of filmmaking?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:18 / 30.12.01
I'm just as lost on the 'principles of Barbelith' thing as Jack appears to be... this isn't a cult, man.

To my knowledge, no, none of us are making a film adaption of The Invisibles just yet.
 
 
The Knowledge +1
14:50 / 30.12.01
Invisibles was a big influence, and some of the earlier posts here informed my writing quite a lot - The very 'invisibles' nature of the posts obviously had a lot to do with it.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:03 / 30.12.01
So how does that translate to filmmaking technique?

Scrambled chronology/everything happening all at once? Film as viral information delivery system? Magickal intent behind a film , with the combination of sound and image as a sigil or magickal trigger (see the works of Kenneth Anger)?

Color me intrgued, but still confused.
 
 
The Knowledge +1
16:28 / 30.12.01
Scrambled chronology/everything happening all at once? Film as viral information delivery system? Magickal intent behind a film

That's about the just of it, yeah.

[ 31-12-2001: Message edited by: The Knowledge +1 ]
 
 
Cleanliving Ruby
23:53 / 01.01.02
Thanks for the interesting responses. Film as a virus is exactly along the lines i was thinking in one sense.

I mean I was thinking about BOTH the themes of the work and the style.

My theory is that the postmodern magic-inspired genre-swapping concepts behind a lot of the Invisibles are very relevent to cinema and storytelling in general.

I've never done any magic and i'm no expert, but at Grant Morrissons persuasion on the letters page i read Phil Hine's book on Chaos magic and I was amazed by the similarity between the rituals he described for creating a magical effect and what I always considered to be the rituals neccessary to a creative filmaking process. (and funnily enough the rituals neccessary to creating a great party or club night). And to me, films (like all art) are a kind of magic anyway, they are a form of viral information delivery system whether the filmaker consciously intended it or not.
Some are more effective than others.

So.

I am just trying to explore ways in which these ideas could be incorporated into the filmaking process. There seems to me to be scope for experimentation. I am trying in as many ways as I can (at the moment on the writing side), and I was wondering what other people thought.
Diversity of aesthetic viewpoints is good.
Never seen any Kenneth Anger, what are his films called?

Scuse the long-windedness but i am on a NYE hangover.......
 
 
Jack Fear
00:19 / 02.01.02
Don't you kids today know how to use Google?

Search on "Maya Deren" while you're there, too: another magickally-minded filmmaker--also a voodoo historian, and a favorite of Grant Morrison's.
 
 
Cleanliving Ruby
16:09 / 05.01.02
Point taken about Google Mr Fear, did do some homework this time......

Found some of Kenneth Angers videos for sale in London and a book of his called Hollywood Babylon that looks very juicy.
Interesting how Donnald Cammel appeared in one of his films, as Performance is a personal favourite of mine. I just love it when you find these little underground connections.

Checked out a couple of sites on the Maya lady, sounds very cool, but haven't tracked down any films of hers yet.

The Anger stuff might well prove to be inspiring for my writing (though i havent had a chance to watch the films yet) so thanks for the tips. If anyone else is doing stuff themselves I'd be very interested to swap tips views etc. As we all know it aint easy..... but when you're actually doing it it is bloody great.

And on the earlier subject, i think the Invisibles does have a sort of visual style and is saturated with filmic references of all sorts so thats what i was refering to in a vague way when i was talking about aesthetic principles.
 
 
Cleanliving Ruby
16:38 / 05.01.02
oops having explored the site a bit better, i realised that there was a forum for collaborations, projects etc. Maybe I'll go have a look there....
 
  
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