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Underrated movies (part deux)

 
  

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The Knowledge +1
12:10 / 29.12.01
CROUPIER

Clive Owen (from some British soap...or was it an ITV drama?) in a Mike Hodges film. Super British stuff, never what you expect and very clever. Good performances all round. Owen plays a writer who takes up a job as a croupier to pay the rent. Lots of impressive shots - It's kind of like a British Casino in part. You think its gonna be gangsta - and then you think its gonna be thriller - and then you think its gonna be morality play - and then you...well, you get the just of it. Always confounding, endlessly inventive and slick as fuck.

WAY OF THE GUN

Talking of slick, the guy who wrote and directed this is Christopher McQuarrie, the one who won an oscar for his Usual Suspects script. His brother was the adviser for all the gunplay/weapons stuff/military manouvers in the film, which will probably mean more to you if I say he also advised on Heat. A-ha. Film stars Benicio Del Toro and, fuck, I can't remember the other guys name, but he's good in it, as is James Cann, who steals the show with a kick-ass performance as an aging mafia bag-man, playing it with understated menace and a super-cool head ("one thing you can tell about a guy of my age in this profession: I'm a survivor"). The film is slick, the script is almost faultless, and, if, unlike me, you don't see it coming, the ending will surprise you. I liked this film cause of all the cool one-liners and its lack of any definition of an absolute morality - Think Mexican standoff. This film is just cool, it never really reaches any kind of resolution and thats the point. It's like a hard-boiled version of a Tarantino script, directed by Sidney Lumet. But really, its hard to describe, or compare, it's out there and worth seeing.

NIGHT FALLS ON MANHATTAN

Loved this film. Andy Garcia and Ian Holm give great performances, and the directing by Lumet is assured and simple. This film just rocks. A simple storyline, allowing for some amazing acting. Some great set-pieces. The ending is heart-renching and made me cry. Garcia really gives the performance of his career here. Lovely looking thing too. (The film I mean).

KARATE KID

Of course, just a great film. Don't diss it or risk rebuttals. I mean this. "Wax-on, wax-off".

POINT BREAK

Amazing powerhouse directing by Kathryn Bigelow, which manages to make full use of the overtly-shallow acting abilities of the triptych trio of Keanau Reeves, Patrick Swayze, and Gary Busey. But the shit acting really doesn't matter because this film is meant to be about surface readings and looking great and a shallow sense of the earth (represented as deep - OHHHHMMMMM!!!) and not thinking too much and it's just so damn cool. Great action the way it should be done, amazing set-pieces from start to finish, a brilliant genre-bending script, including the dumb one-liners ("and when you hit the top? Man, your balls go as big as grape-fruits!"). I could watch this film once a month and not get bored, which makes the director even more deserving of credit considering who she's working with - She manages to make the actors an advantage to the film. It's just cool. It makes you want to take up surfing.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
19:40 / 29.12.01
Are you in Britain?
Cuz Croupier was very successful indy cinema (it played at our local for I'm thinking five months straight) in the U.S. Though I heard that it didn't do well in Britain at all.
 
 
The Knowledge +1
11:10 / 30.12.01
Nope, it was re-released in Britain because of its success in the US. You are good for something.

I'm meeting Mike Hodges early in the new year, after he's viewed my film. The guy actually advises film studies students at the Institute I just graduated from. How cool is that?
 
 
Rev. Wright
15:23 / 04.01.02
'I'll be your hero, I will carry on.....'
tisk tisk Knowledge-san, tisk tisk

BROTHER
Takashi brings his hero to the US, along with his mix of mind and violence. Even with the US crew, Takashi maintains his minimalistic style, and his low number of shots. Why can't every gangster movie has this kind of intent?

MYSTERY MEN
So the Superhero film is in, well this little gem passed many by at the cinema. Initially I had trouble 'getting' this film, but it soon passed. Laugh I nearly shat. Too mnay years reading JLA, no doubt
 
 
The Strobe
18:40 / 04.01.02
Didn't like Brother. Too much violence and too little coherence. Hana-Bi was better.

There and again, if Kitano got to release the three hour cut he wanted to, with the same violence but more spread out... I'd probably have loved it.

As it was, it seemed like a Kitano movie for people who'd seen his other things, rather than an American icebreaker. Still, better than mindless American shit.

(And it wasn't hugely underrated, just underseen)
 
 
T*M*U*M*A
09:11 / 05.01.02
RING - one of best horror movies i've ever seen.. japanese .. and apparently never got an official video release in America.
 
 
Cop Killer
06:39 / 06.01.02
WARRIORS is probably one of the most underrated movies of all time. Gang warfare without handguns, well, there's one, but that's it. The leftist types I hang out with can discuss this movie for hours with themes of sexism, racsism, classism running throughout. Cult filmaking at its finest.
 
 
Rev. Wright
06:39 / 06.01.02
'Warriors come out to playaay......'
clink, clink
'Waarriors come out to playaay...'
clink clink


CAN YOU DIG IT?
(it's a pity that D12 had to go and base a music promo on it.)
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
13:05 / 06.01.02
The Frighteners. Peter 'Lord Of The Rngs' Jackson directs a surprisingly nasty and impressive horror thriller with Michael J. Fox excelling in the lead. Comes across as Ghostbusters with little slices of Se7en thrown hither and yon. Lovely entertainment.

Annnnd... for those fortunate enough not to have heard my rant on this film before, which I think is everyone except Flyboy...

Highlander: Endgame. If you loved the first movie (before the two execrable sequels) as much as I did, this will hit exactly the same buttons. I'm also a fan of the hit/miss TV series, and of Adrian Paul, the lead in said TV series... it suffers from a slight lack of excellence in the dialogue department, the bad guy is truly only wonderful if you're used to a TV series where motivation and character is predicated on an understanding of the mythos and a reading into the character from only a few lines of dialogue... but there was a certain spirit in the original movie which is identifiable in this movie in a very big way. And it is beautifully shot. And the fight scenes, and some of the character scenes, remind you of why Adrian Paul has been likened to both a young Errol Flynn and a young Sean Connery... he'll be on the shortlist to play Bond again when Brosnan steps down, without a doubt. Watching the documentary featurette on DVD and seeing him sans MacLeod remindsme of watching James Marsters being interviewed sans Spike - you realise exactly how much he puts into the character. He's also a Highlander fanboy, an ex-dancer, martial artist and a weapons master, both of which means that he put everything he has into the film. And we finally get sufficient insight into Connot MacLeod to render him a character rather than a cipher. It was cut a little too much for comfort, as are most fantasy films nowadays (Event Horizon, anyone?), but it's still a cracker of a movie for any fan of the genre...

Quick Change - Bill Murray movie, with Geena Davis and Randy Quaid. Bill et al rob a bank in NY dressed as a clown. Then they try to get out of the city... that's when the fun ensues. Top knotch dry-comedy from the master of the genre. Like Groundhog Day with a helping of Midnight Run, throuh a filter of quirkiness. Lovely.
 
 
T*M*U*M*A
13:38 / 06.01.02
*rubs hands with glee*

ohhhhhh.. Peter 'Lord Of The Rings' Jackson has a bit of a history with violent movies..

all of you need to log off now and see:

Bad Taste
Meet The Feebles
and my personal vote for the most gory movie of all time Braindead
 
 
uncle retrospective
08:30 / 07.01.02
Was it me or is meet the feebles one of the most fucked up things ever? I'm still not sure if I liked it, but I'm not going to forget it in a hurry.
 
 
Bear
08:34 / 07.01.02
quote:RING - one of best horror movies i've ever seen.. japanese .. and apparently never got an official video release in America.

I'm going to rent this tonight noticed it in my local blockbuster the other week (and the follow up)

And you will be (un)pleased to here that its being remade for Hollywood - queue the M. Manson songs
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:18 / 07.01.02
quote:Originally posted by uncle retrospective:
Was it me or is meet the feebles one of the most fucked up things ever?
Yes. Yes, it was.

Regarding Jackson's other work: I caught Braindead the other night, and by the end of it - well, it's just boring. Boring. There might be arsekicking for the lord involved, but by the end of it, you're just kinda "eh. next." - something I didn't get from Meet The Feebles. Personally, I think Heavenly Creatures is a flick that had a flicker of interest when released and then sank, undeservedly - I thought it was, in terms of amping up the discomfort factor, a fucking fantastic film.

Oh - any reason why this thread is new, when there's a perfectly serviceable one doing the same thing here? Answers on a postcard, please.
 
 
Rev. Wright
10:35 / 07.01.02
For those in the UK old enough to remember, Peter Jackson's The Frighteners is incredibly like Rentaghost. Mr Claypole was my favourite


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T*M*U*M*A
11:12 / 07.01.02
aww hell.. i just love zombie movies.

try George A Romero's 'Dead' trilogy..

Night of the living dead
Dawn of the dead
Day of the dead
.

and on the 25th Filmfour are showing the classic Zombie Flesh-eaters.. i'm gonna have to tape that!

the original french version of The Vanishing.
taught, tense and has an ending which creeped the pants off me.

The Last Broadcast was really good.. except for the last 15 minutes when it turned shit.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
11:17 / 07.01.02
oh my god - another rentaghost fan. i thought i was the only one.....

and the pantomime horse was my fave.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:25 / 07.01.02
Every time one of these threads starts:

Useless Man! The Ring, Peter Jackson and George A Romero ARE NOT underrated, they're all critically acclaimed cult/indie classics....

Jeez.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
13:24 / 07.01.02
This, I'm aware of. I was just pointing out that in terms of his stuff, Heavenly Creatures is more successful than Braindead. That's all...
 
 
The Natural Way
13:35 / 07.01.02
I'm not talking to you, though.

I'm talking to Useless man, who equates bad box office/small release with "underrated". If that was the criteria most 'Lither's fave films would be clogging up this thread.
 
 
T*M*U*M*A
16:06 / 07.01.02
i'm sorry.. my ability to read the mind of my fellow 'lithers' is not one of my abilitys. my posts thus far have been lists which i've had to display infront of my friends.. they do not rate these movies. if you guys do, then kudos. but dont bitch at me if i havent been here long enough to be able to second guess all your film tastes.



Blair Witch Project - i think thats an underrated movie.. an awful lot of people are knocking it now and i personally think its great. tense, relentless with great central performances and an ending which ranks as one of the best i've seen on the big screen.

Idle Hands - i'm aware this is big smash all over the place, but it is woefully underrated here in britain.

Citizen Kane - now being replaced by that pile-o-shite star wars on the greatest movie of all time lists.. people are dumb.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:07 / 07.01.02
Two of the most underrated films ever made are Holiday In Selfawaria (1960), Billy Wilder's hilarious but commercially disastrous follow-up to Some Like It Hot, and Russ Meyer's Beyond The Valley Of Self-Parody (1976). Oh, and Taxi Driver - that never gets the props it deserves.
 
 
Rev. Wright
17:15 / 07.01.02
Useless, the original version of The Vanishing was Dutch

Citizen Kaneunderrated?
I think it probably the most admired film in cinema history. It was the film that set in stone cinematic elements that have never been equelled.

Sorry to criticise, but.....
The Last Broadcast is an incredible movie, shot for $700, and has the most ingenius use of ideas and digital technology. I admit on first viewing I was thrown by the style of the ending, but upon repeated viewing it makes more sense.

I'm sure that Blair Witch would never have gotten where it was if:
a. The Last Broadcast hadn't lost its Midnight Raindance screening, the previous year of Blair Witch's 'legendary' midnight screening.
b. Blair Witch had maintain the idea of being a retrospective documentary, instead of the feature and spcial Curse ofteh Blair Witch. How close would that have been to The Last Broadcast, huh?

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T*M*U*M*A
17:37 / 07.01.02
thanks for the info on The Vanishing.

Citizen Kane.. well.. i just feel people dont give it the respect that it so rightly deserves.

The last broadcast was indeed a good movie.. i just think that the tension in it was lost after the monster is revealed.. anyway, i've had my ass chewed off for discussing cult titles on this thread. so i'll just shut up now.
 
 
Rev. Wright
18:02 / 07.01.02
Useless, may I suggest buying a copy of this and maybe a copy of that

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alas
23:51 / 07.01.02
I thought Blair Witch was overrated. (I have to admit, to me it looked like the kid was just pissing in the corner at the end, so I was just confused until I thought about it more . .. and there was a BABY crying in the theatre I went to see it in. A Baby, for crying out loud, at Blair Witch of all movies.)

How about films that explore the old equation "suburbia=well-appointed death":

SAFE (I just recently discovered this quiet treasure)
and, a new fave--L.I.E.

I think The Ice Storm is a little overrated in this genre, but maybe that's just me . . .

A related note--I heard so much vituperation unleashed at Eyes Wide Shut that when I actually saw it, I thought it was quite good--it just wasn't doing what the critics wanted it to do, which was be unproblematically erotic.
 
 
The Natural Way
06:41 / 08.01.02
Sorry, didn't mean to bitch....

But you will keep adding more and more "classics" to your list. Citizen Kane? Blair Witch? C'mon, mate....
 
 
Bear
07:25 / 08.01.02
I thought the ending of The Last Broadcast totally ruined the movie, it was enjoyable all the way through and then suddenly - what a waste if they had just kept it in the same style it would have been so much better !
 
 
Shortfatdyke
07:51 / 08.01.02
actually, i don't remember people exactly carwheeling over death and the maiden but i thought it was very powerful, although bloody frustrating.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
08:19 / 08.01.02
Why did you find it frustrating, sfd? It annoyed the hell out of me because I thought that both Weaver and Kingsley were wooden as fuck in their roles, and it seems to me that it's one of those films that looks like a filmed play (which it initially was), rather than a movie, per se. Then again, it could be the script: I once saw it on stage and that particular iteration seemed a bit dodgy, too.

Although, it got me into Schubert properly, so that was a decent thing to come out of it...
 
 
Shortfatdyke
08:26 / 08.01.02
ah, i just wanted weaver to shoot kingsley when she had the chance!

yes, it did seem more like a play than a 'movie'.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
08:26 / 08.01.02
Although entertained by Useless' campaign to popularise the critically underrated Citizen Kane, and eagerly awaiting his campaign to get Kurosawa just a little bit of frickin' respect around here, I have to agree that Idle Hands rocked, and has a criminally low profile in these isles. Whether it is underrated I cannot say, because I never saw it rated.

Labyrinth - generally written off as a pile of Henson wank, but in fact one of the mightiest films ever.

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Jackie Susann
08:34 / 08.01.02
I still don't understand how Labyrinth is underrated; everyone fucking loves it. But I guess the whole 'your underrated movie is not actually underrated at all' thing is getting old, so my vote is for Showgirls. Beautiful, smart, big dance numbers, great one-liners, bitchiness, glamour, etc. Would echo alas - it is written off because people watch thinking it's going to be a porn film, when in fact the audience gets so sick of seeing Elizabeth Berkeley's breasts they paint her nipples hot pink for no apparent reason at the end.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:34 / 08.01.02
It might be getting old, Pirate, but I only prattle on about it because I want to see people bigging up the truly disgusting. C'mon, let's go round and round the Prophecy trilogy one more time....
 
 
Bear
08:34 / 08.01.02
You remind me of the babe, which babe?
The babe with the power, what power?
The Power of Voodoo, who do? you do...

I'll get my coat...
 
 
T*M*U*M*A
14:11 / 08.01.02
ok .. what i think really is underrated is .. and i've said it before..

Day Of The Dead..

according to all the reviews and opinions i've heard its seen as the somewhat crap ending to the trilogy .. always out shined by Night Of The Living Dead and Dawn Of The Dead.. i say that it is a great movie in its own right and easily the equal to its prequels.

another underrated movie.. Alice In Wonderland.

its the best damn disney movie ever released. not enough people recognise this fact!
 
  

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