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tSuibhne
12:53 / 07.12.01
No real point to this message. I just watched Brazil again last night (this time with the Gilliam commentary) and realized that the similarities between the movie and my life are a bit to close. Anyone else seen themselves in this movie?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:35 / 07.12.01
What a terrifying thought. No. I do love that film, though, although I can't imagine wanting to go through the truma of watching the last bit of it again.

But seriously, if you are feeling like any character in that movie - GET HELP!
 
 
Hush
14:37 / 07.12.01
Jumping in quick to hopeful prevent responses of the 'it reminds me of the night me and my mates went out plumbing and' sort.

It's quite an 'everyman who has his life tipped into into an interestingly out of control changing experience' film. Is this what you mean? Or are there more specific correspondences?

I actually got this film out to watch last week but it's still by the TV. I'll watch it this weekend looking for my life and get back to you.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
14:39 / 07.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:


But seriously, if you are feeling like any character in that movie - GET HELP!

Open your segmented eyes, Flyboy. Brazil is practically a documentary. Have you ever tried to get anything to do with forms done? or marvelled at the sheer brilliant insanity of bureaucracy?
 
 
Sam Lowry
16:01 / 07.12.01
quote:Originally posted by I Am:
No real point to this message. I just watched Brazil again last night (this time with the Gilliam commentary) and realized that the similarities between the movie and my life are a bit to close. Anyone else seen themselves in this movie?


Well... yes

Eventually I got help, as suggested...

But I keep seeing myself in it, alas...
 
 
tSuibhne
16:20 / 07.12.01
Acctually, I'm seeking drastic help. I'm moving to the other side of the country, even though I don't have a job, and the job market sucks. I've wanted to do this move for sometime (from Washington, DC to Portland, OR) but the main reason I'm doing it now is I've got a place to live (with a friend of mine) and I need to get the hell out of this rut.

As far as what I mean by seeing myself in the film. I mean litterally identifing with Sam, and seeing myself in Sam. That kind of keep your head down, stay out of the spot light, while living in an intracite dream world. Doesn't help that I work for a goverment IT contractor, in Washington, DC.
 
 
RadJose
23:22 / 10.12.01
wow, i came home the other night to find my roommate watching my copy of Brazil, and tho i was tired i couldn't help but sit down and watch it w/ him... yeah i've identified w/ Sam myself at time... my roommate was left all very confused and asked me to explain Brazil to him, he said he liked how it looked but was confused, so i just said, "watch it again later, you'll get it" and then since he said he liked how it looked i had him watch Time Bandits, which he loved...
 
 
Pin
06:43 / 11.12.01
I watched it, in a sleep-deprived state, at three in the morning, and yet I wasn't confused. And everything confuses me at that time in the morning. Like when I stared at the milkman trying to work out what he was doing (I didn't know it was the milkman at the time... ) when I was on my way to the loo and nearly wet myself as a consequence of my sheer baffelment of it...

So maybe I just missed the joke.
 
 
RadJose
02:08 / 13.12.01
there's no joke, my roommate is a bit lacking in the brain meat department... "what's the deal w/ all the dreams?" "what does that last 20min mean?" "i thought he got away, whats he doin' back in the chair?" "so if he's still in the chair what do they mean when they say they lost him?" stuff of that ilk, if it's not sraight forward then he doesn't get it, took him 3times of Memento to even get the basics of the film and he's said that Fight Club is the biggest movie mind fuck he's ever seen...
 
 
Slate
03:37 / 25.08.06
I really can't believe I have not seen this film before. Brasil, 21 years old and I have been sucking air for 33 years and I only see it last night! Damn man, where were you all those years! I have always been put off by the cover art and I saw a bit years ago about the flying dream sequences which at the time I passed off as totally drab, and wrote it all off. I found a friends version and at a loose end last night I slipped it in the DVD player.

The film knocked me for 6!!! I had to start watching it again as soon as it was finished and then got half way through and had to watch the doco about it. It was strange, the similarities in the film and present day, a 20 year old film with a vision wrapped up in a comedy with sinister undertones. The Terrorist bombings, the Ministry of Information and the overloaded bureaucratic system. I had to laugh out loud at the women addicted to plastic surgery, De Niro's character Tuttle and of course Sam's character. It's got all my fav sci-fi/so-co rolled into one really, Dr. Strangelove, Clockwork Orange, 1984, I was a huge Time Bandits fan when I was a kid too and saw that over and over again, I still can't believe I left this gem out for so long...
 
 
netbanshee
03:51 / 25.08.06
Well, all of his movie's play a Don Quixote of the moment... which sadness me to know that his actual rendition of The Man of La Mancha never got off the ground. Fitting of course.

My good friend's significant other has been watching the film incessantly and I've caught two full viewings of it in the meantime. It's quite a good flick and on a night like tonight (waaay too much drama to get into) the feel of this narrative can only fill you with that oh so human approach at hope.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
07:47 / 25.08.06
Has anyone seen all the variants (at least two, I think) included in the Criterion release? I'm curious about how they stack up.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
10:39 / 26.08.06
I actually can't remember the ending of Brazil at all, despite having finally watched it less than a year ago... i only really remember it not making any kind of sense, but i think i have it somehow confused in my head with the ending of Blade Runner...

Definitely a big "WTF" film tho... and my kind of sense of humour...

Am i right in thinking (not completely sure of the chronological order of his films) that Gilliam has gradually got further away from the silly/surreal humour of Python and closer to a still surreal, but darker* and closer-to-realism "vibe" (Time Bandits/Munchausen -> Brazil -> 12 Monkeys... tho of course i could be fooled by the advances/stylistic changes in visual effects during that progression)? From what i've heard of his latest film (which got some really slating reviews in the "mainstream" papers, but which i really want to see) he's gone even further in that direction...

*not that Python isn't dark (hell, my real-life experience of UK "left-wing" (for want of a better term) activism, which it contains some really dark satire of, has made "Life of Brian" almost too dark to be funny for me), but it's dark in a more obviously "comedy" way, if you see what i mean... more reliant on the absurd set-up than the "serious" exploration of the character... i think i see a distinction, anyway...
 
 
PatrickMM
18:14 / 26.08.06
I'd agree, he's moved more towards a world based in reality, with elements of surrealism intruding, as in The Fisher King or even Fear and Loathing. There needs to be some justification for the weird stuff, whereas in Time Bandits and Python it exists in a world where weird stuff just happens. I love Brazil, it's in my top five films all time and I think none of Gilliam's other films come even remotely close to matching it.

The great thing about Brazil is that it marries the absurdity of Python at its best with more grounded characters. Brazil could have been played as pure comedy, but by choosing to embrace dark surrealism, particularly in the final half hour, Gilliam attaches a lot of thematic depth to his material. It's a film just jam packed with stuff and I'm still astonished that it could ever get made. You just don't see films on that production scale that are so personal and idiosyncratic, and clearly even after it was made, Universal did everything they could to make it not work.
 
 
■
18:39 / 26.08.06
i only really remember it not making any kind of sense, but i think i have it somehow confused in my head with the ending of Blade Runner...

That would be because both have alternate cop-out endings which involve heading for the hills.
The Criterion edition is fantastic, as it has both versions and shows just how awful the happy ending is. Yes, folks, Hollywood really did do one, and to get there they sacrificed lots of the plot along the way.
 
 
thewalker
09:08 / 29.08.06
happy ending....

....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


attention everyall, If you have only seen the version of brazil with a happy ending....you have not seen Brazil at all!

It is called the "love conquers all" version, which is on the criterion dvd release as an extra, and is totally unwatchable if you have seen the first or directors cut versions.

also, just watched gilliams latest this week, brothers grimm. a totally awesome film, not as much of the darkness/reality confusion as in his earlier films, which is of course what i was expecting.....but a great story, brilliantly told.

any one else with opinions?
 
 
CameronStewart
13:54 / 29.08.06
>>>also, just watched gilliams latest this week, brothers grimm. <<<

Actually, Gilliam's had one more film since Bros. Grimm, called Tideland.
 
 
Dead Megatron
14:04 / 29.08.06
Actually, Gilliam's had one more film since Bros. Grimm, called Tideland.

Really? wow, it didn't even showed its face in my parts of the world (coincidentally, Brazil). Bummer

Brothers Grimm, was really fun. I loved the design - specially the Bad Wolf - and the little jokes - old lady selling apples.


Anyway, I haven't seen Brazil in quite a few years. I just want to throw this question up in the air: Why do you think the movie is called "Brazil"? I have my own theory, but I would like to hear yours first. Is there even an "official" explanation?
 
 
CameronStewart
15:37 / 29.08.06
I think Gilliam says on the commentary - or perhaps someone else does or I read it somewhere, I can't quite remember - that the film is titled after the song, which represents Sam's longing for an escape to a romantic, far off place.

Brazil, where hearts were entertaining June
We stood beneath an amber moon
And softly murmured "Someday soon"
We kissed and clung together

Then, tomorrow was another day
The morning found me miles away
With still a million things to say
Now, when twilight dims the sky above
Recalling thrills of our love
There's onething I'm certain of
Return I will to old Brazil
 
 
PatrickMM
18:31 / 29.08.06
Yeah, the original image was someone on a beach that was covered in ash, staring out at the ocean as the song played. The title kind of works, but it is a bit confusing when you try to tell people about the film.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:09 / 29.08.06
Dead Megatron- Tideland only came out in the UK a couple of weeks ago, so you'll probably get it soon.
 
 
Slate
05:47 / 30.08.06
Brothers Grimm

Yeah as soon as I watched Brazil, I went out a few days later and watched Brothers Grimm which I enjoyed a heap too! I didn't actually know from the start it was a Gilliam film either, until it got about 15 minutes into it and I was thinking "WTF, WTF?" with a huge grin on my dial and then saw the end credits and pissed myself laughing. The next night I watched "Fear & Loathing" and then vowed to go out and purchase as many Python movies as I could find. Can't wait for Tideland!
 
 
Dead Megatron
17:45 / 31.08.06
Tanks for the head up, Stoatie. I'll be waiting

As for the title, the offical explanation does work, but I find there's more to it: a subtext, if you will

The crazy distopic future (I suppose it's the future) despicted in Brazil (the movie) is actually a lot like a oniric version of what Brazil (the country) was in the early 70s.

Let's see.

An over-bureaucratized society that crushes people's soul under a ton of red tape? Check

A right-wing military dictatorial government engaged in censorship that seems to be in denial about their problems with terrorists (ten years of bombing? "Begginer's luck!")? Check

Left-wing terrorists/revolutionaries who don't really seem to have a clue to what they are doing? Check

An upper-class that has no touch with reality and celebrate futilities, like excess of plastic surgery, as a form of sofistication? oh, so check

Underground torture chambers? Check

Highways so filled with billboards one can barely see what's outside? Check

Corrupt, inneficient public institutions? Check, check, check

If I had watched the movie recently, I'm sure I would remember a lot more similarities.

We got better since then, btw.
 
  
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