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Warrington Minge
09:12 / 04.12.01
Just watching LIVE AND LET DIE on DVD at the mo. The commentaries on this are amazing. So factual and the use of interviews and a bond historian is really up to the mark. Other features? Behind the scenes features made before the advent of DVDs. Documenaties with more behind the scene footage.
Kanangar actually being a real owner of a crocodile farm and actually performing the walk across the crocodile stunt. Roger Moore getting a psychic reading live on set.....and of course that fabulous Milk advert. Well recommended!!!

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Turk
09:12 / 04.12.01
I don't understand the point of the added features on DVD. A film is a film and I'll watch it, but heck if I buy a chair I don't want to buy a book on how it was made too!
 
 
CameronStewart
09:12 / 04.12.01
>>>I don't understand the point of the added features on DVD.<<<

Initially laserdiscs and DVDs were high-priced, luxury product aimed primarily at cinema enthusiasts, who would likely want to study the film more thoroughly than the casual viewer. Now that DVDs are becoming more and more widespread, "extra features" are seen as obligatory on even the most shallow and worthless films.

Obviously they're not of interest to everyone, but I get enormous benefit out of them - I've learned a tremendous amount about the art of visual storytelling from listening to director's commentaries on DVDs, without the exorbitant cost of attending film school. I like to put on a DVD and listen to the commentary while I work.

It depends on the disc, as well - certain directors provide fascinating, thorough and very insightful commentary, and some are utterly pointless. The commentary track on Pleasantville, for example, was very interesting indeed and gave me a whole new appreciation for the film, while on his commentaries John Carpenter does very little more than blandly narrate the onscreen action.

The Criterion Collection is a label devoted to showcasing significant contemporary films, usually with an impressive array of supplementary material for the avid film student. The Criterion set of Brazilis fantastic, with the feature-length documentary The Battle For Brazil, (detailing Gilliam's battle with Universal for control of the film, which is almost as good as the film itself), and two different edits of the film - Gilliam's definitive cut and the studio-castrated television version, which is fascinating to watch to see how dramatically editing can alter a film.

Ultimately what should be done is to release two versions of any given film - the "special edition" with all the supplements, and a no-frills version at a lower price point. (They already do this for many films, but they invariably release the special edition 6 months after suckers like me buy the bare bones disc. Fuckers.)

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sleazenation
10:54 / 04.12.01
actually despite not being a fan of DVDs (i already have a video why do i need another method of watch films-- slightly better quality picture you say- hell i can live without it especially since i can still get videos) I think its a good thing that DVD's come with all this extra stuff.

When new technology is introduced it is usually more expensive- there are usually claims that the price will eventually go down but it never does. at least with DVD's you are actually getting more for your money (if you want it or not is another debate) but manufacturers would never automatically produce a cheaper verson of a product at the same time as a more expensive version.
 
 
Knodge - YOUR nemesis!
11:14 / 04.12.01
I agree with Cameron. I enjoy the commentary tracks immensely. A perfect example is the track that accompanies Criterion's pressing of Seven Samurai... an absolute wealth of information and a real insight into the film.

Columbia has attempted a concept known as the SuperBit disc, which removes all the supplements and absorbs all bit space on the disc for improved video and added DD and DTS soundtracks. These could possibly be the best purchase for people who have no interest in supplements. The problem is that I don't think they are any cheaper than the regular SE discs.

Also, like Cameron, I have a big problem with early releases of films that get a much better treatment a year later. If you are a big fan of the film you are almost forced to buy the disc again... and try selling that bare bones disc for anywhere near the price you purchased it once the SE is available.
 
 
CameronStewart
11:29 / 04.12.01
>>>(i already have a video why do i need another method of watch films-- slightly better quality picture you say- hell i can live without it especially since i can still get videos)<<<

Oh, Sleaze.

Slightly better picture? Vastly better picture. And far better sound (especially when run through a shit-hot surroundsound system like mine ) And they don't wear out from repeated play like tapes do. And they don't degrade from improper storage like tapes. And they won't get unspooled in the machine and jam it up. And you don't have to rewind them. And you don't have to fiddle with the tracking to get the picture right. And you don't have to spend half an hour fast-forwarding and rewinding to find just that one bit in the film you want to see. And they release all the films in widescreen format instead of shitty pan-and-scan. And they take up less space on the shelf. And...etc etc etc.

I'm a DVD snob now - I pretty much refuse to watch videotapes, and on the rare occasion when I have no choice (there's still some of my favourite films not yet available on DVD - fuckers) I'm can't believe how shitty they look and sound in comparison. It's like having to listen to your favourite music on an old monaural 8-track, instead of a CD stereo.

Give in to the future, Sleaze. Death to VHS!

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tSuibhne
11:45 / 04.12.01
Side question, what is with the pricing of DVD's anyways? I'm not talking about the high price, I'm talking about the price differences. For most anime it's about $20-$25, occassionally $30. But, I've found feature films running anywhere from $30 to $10. All at the same store (the local Best Buy, since there isn't any other place around here) May be know one's interested in Pi or the Replacement Killers, and that's why their $10. *shrug*

Back on track, I've got to agree, special features can be very cool. Notice I said, can. Some are just fucking cheezy.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
11:48 / 04.12.01
What he said. I wanted to avoid DVD, but - [Homer]startlingly good picture quality![/Homer] got me. If videos are cheap, I'll pick 'em up, but for stuff I really want to keep, I'll hang out for DVD, if I can. Not that I personally own a DVD player, you understand...
 
 
Ierne
12:31 / 04.12.01
I don't have a DVD player either, so I guess it wasn't too swift of me to buy Titus on DVD. None of my friends have DVD players...perhaps I'll sneak into work one weekend and watch all that extra stuff on my boss' G4...

I bought it because I said to myself, "By the time I get around to actually owning a DVD player, the damn movie will be out of print!"
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:45 / 04.12.01
Oooooh. What are the extras on Titus, coincidentally, Ierne? I've only got the vid, as DVDs are still about £18 or so over here...
 
 
Ierne
13:09 / 04.12.01
>>>I don't know 'cos I can't watch it!!!<<<

Um, it's not in front of me so I can't give you the full-on list, but there is a documentary of how it was filmed with lots of interviews, and there's trailers & stuff. I'll write it down tonight and post tomorrow. A goodly amount of stuff, 'cos there's actually two DVDs in there. I think one's for the movie and one's for the stuff.
 
 
CameronStewart
13:32 / 04.12.01
I've got the Titus set. Pretty remarkable that they went for an all-out two-disc extravaganza for a film that was overlooked almost entirely at the box office.

Disc one has the film with three commentary tracks, one by director Julie Taymor, one by actors Anthony Hopkins and Harry Lennix, and the third is a music-only track with commentary by composer Eliot Goldenthal. Disc two has an hour-long documentary on the making that's rather good, filming the actors at rehearsals, examining the production design and so on. There's also deleted scenes, trailers, costume design artwork, the lot. It's a good set.

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sleazenation
13:48 / 04.12.01
for a minute i thought the titus boxed set would come with a severed hand or two...
 
 
mondo a-go-go
10:24 / 05.12.01
quote:Originally posted by CameronStewart:
Slightly better picture? Vastly better picture.


not when you have an old model telly like we do at casa robrona.

quote: And they don't wear out from repeated play like tapes do. And they don't degrade from improper storage like tapes. And they won't get unspooled in the machine and jam it up. And you don't have to rewind them. And you don't have to fiddle with the tracking to get the picture right. And you don't have to spend half an hour fast-forwarding and rewinding to find just that one bit in the film you want to see. And they release all the films in widescreen format instead of shitty pan-and-scan. And they take up less space on the shelf. And...etc etc etc.

yes. these are all fabulous things. and the way you can pause the screen on just the one image you want, or watch kung-fu in slo-mo.
 
 
sleazenation
10:59 / 05.12.01
what dvd's don't wear out or suffer from inccorect storage? - you mean like CD's don't get scratched and last forever...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
11:07 / 05.12.01
Perhaps: but they don't degenerate with age (if made correctly, I guess) - videotape does. I read somewhere that manufacturers reckon that if you don't fast-forward/rewind each tape at least once every six months, it's more likely to gunk up...

I think the picture quality is noticably different, even on crapbox TVs; ours is particularly lo-rent, and the difference between VT and DVD is very clear; the clarity's unmistakeable.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
13:22 / 05.12.01
I've got a question. I want to order an import DVD from barnes and noble in the states. The Twin Peaks first episode/movie, actually (click here for details). How can I tell if I'll be able to play it on my US coded DVD player? The web page doesn't list the country this DVD was manufactured in, and I want to be sure I cna play it before I order it. ( I CAN switch region encoding on my DVD-Rom drive, btu I don't want to only be able to watch it on my computer). There are no plans to release this DVD in the US.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
14:45 / 05.12.01
Todd: double-check that this DVD is the pilot. The first series (including the pilot? not sure) is about to be released in the US - on the 18th. Amazon have advance details, anyway. It might be worth checking that out, in case. This one looks a bit suspect; maybe email them for more info? Or check with a local DVD store (you've got the UPC code - anyone should be able to look it up for you) whether they think it'd play...

Update: looks like it's an Asian copy - info here. Says it's Region 0, and NTSC, so you should be able to play it.

You lucky bastard.

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Ethan Hawke
14:50 / 05.12.01
The DVD set of the first series does NOT include the pilot. Apparently, the series, the pilot, and the feature film are all owned by different companies. The reason "Fire Walk with me" hasn't been released on DVD is that there is a lot of existing excised footage from the film that Artisan (who has rights to the film, I believe) doesn't have a right to use and would have to pay an exorbitant cost to use.

Hopefully, they'll release ALL of the episodes on DVD (as the VCR tape transfer is shit). But I'm not holding my breath.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
15:00 / 05.12.01
While you're on the import trail: FWWM has been released in the UK. (Amazon link.) It's not the recut edition that Operation Creamed Corn has been campaigning for, but it's better'n fuck-all. (More Lynch DVD info here.)

LynchNet reported that it looks likely that the series rereleasing will continue, purely because of advance interest in this set: quote:The Digital Bits is reporting that the reason for the Twin Peaks 1st Season DVD delay is not due to authoring or content issues, but rather because demand is much higher than expected. This is great news! If this set sells well, then we'll certainly see the second season on DVD, and it'll go a long way towards convincing New Line there's a market to spend the extra $$$ for the deleted scenes for FWWM. Petitions and letters are nice, but money talks. So be sure to buy the Peaks DVD when it comes out if you want to see more Peaks DVD content in the future.
Woo hoo!

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Ethan Hawke
15:30 / 05.12.01
Thanks Rothkoid. You rule and, uh, stuff.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
17:29 / 05.12.01
Oh, and this item on EBay might interest you

Twin Peaks Pilot - DVD - Region Free encoding

$9.99 USD+ 6 USD shipping and handling anywhere in the world.

I think I am going to risk it.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:36 / 06.12.01
I did - and I got it! Woo!
 
  
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