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Buffy. British. Ierestrial. People who spoil whill die horribly

 
 
Pin
08:27 / 06.11.01
What?! The fuck?! Happened with Rilley and Buffy?! I saw last weeks episode (Queller demon), but didn't watch it for two weeks before hand (but I think I only missed one episode, as I'm surfe it wasn't on two weeks a go). Now I come back and Drew's here and sucking Riley's blood and Buffy seems shitty with him when he turns up at erh house but that could just be cos of all the soldiers... What the fuck is all this about?!
 
 
Bear
08:38 / 06.11.01
Don't worry no spoilers here I'm the same place as you are - Riley was made into a vamp by some chick he picked up (who he then killed) - He knows that Buffy will never love him as he is so he's changed so he's more like Angel - is this what you were wondering?
 
 
Pin
08:40 / 06.11.01
Missed that episode. Did the two of them have a big fuck-off fight then?

And are you sure Drew (is that right? Spkies foremer concubine) did come in at some point... ?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:45 / 06.11.01
Riley isn't a vampire, and that isn't Drusilla. Just some gothy bint.

He's been going to a kinky vamp brothel where humans pay to have vampires bite them. This doesn't turn them into a vampire, since that only happens if you drink as well. Buffy has no idea he's been doing this.

Basically, he's pissed off and alienated because Buffy has withdrawn a lot (because she's stressing about her mum, and Dawn) - and because now he's not a surperstrong soldier guy, just an ordinary guy, he thinks she's no longer interested in him. Spike didn't help matters by telling him something like "face it, she likes them dark". He's never really clicked with the scooby gang, he knows Buffy doesn't love him the way she loved Angel, he doesn't know what his place in the world is and he's handling it all very badly.

I think it's this week that this all comes to a head.

[ 06-11-2001: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
Bear
08:47 / 06.11.01
Ah right, see this goes to show everyone never listen to me anyway my version is better just pretend he is a vamp
 
 
Pin
08:47 / 06.11.01
So they had a fight and split then? Sorry...
 
 
Bear
08:49 / 06.11.01
Nah they didnt fight not that I can remember but I think i missed one, think they just kinda keep drifting apart..
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:51 / 06.11.01
Yeah, they're still together. Things just seem very cold between them.

But Buffy won't be happy if she finds out about the vampire prostitute hobby, will she?
 
 
Pin
08:55 / 06.11.01
That was an evil fucking look of death when he burst into her house with Initiative (are they?) soldiers to get the Queller last episode.
 
 
reidcourchie
08:55 / 06.11.01
The vampire brothel is about the most interesting thing that has happened to that character. Still he's as dull as angel, get rid of them both, Spike's the man for her.

I do despise Riley. Still that actor might make a good Captain America. Is Xander the only character with a vaguely tolerable significant other in this programme?
 
 
Pin
18:10 / 06.11.01
Nope. Anya is the only one with a barely tollerable other half.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:47 / 07.11.01
What's wrong with Tara? Although actually she doesn't get much to do in the first half of season 5, come to think of it. I always find those "hey, we're the scoobies, we just sort of get in the way" moments annoying. It all comes together though.

[ 07-11-2001: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
reidcourchie
07:53 / 07.11.01
What's wrong with Tara?

Utterly devoid of any personality, vastly irritating and a complete sap. Largely a waste of skin and a pointless character who adds nothing to the show what so ever.

Other than that nothing.
 
 
Kopi
08:42 / 07.11.01
Don't be so hard on Tara. She gets better as the season goes on........and, while devoid of spoiler space, she gets more of a backbone starting series 6.

Kopi
-wishing the brits could catch up so she could talk about the current US musical episode she's dying to chat about.
 
 
Pin
08:56 / 07.11.01
There's a thread for that.

And yeah, just cos she's so amazingly dull right now. And twee. Why are Willow and Tara so fucking twee?!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:59 / 07.11.01
quote:Originally posted by reidcourchie:
What's wrong with Tara?

Utterly devoid of any personality, vastly irritating and a complete sap. Largely a waste of skin and a pointless character who adds nothing to the show what so ever.


Hmmm... "vastly irritating" and "largely a waste of skin" are just different ways of saying "I don't like her". I think in certain individual episodes Tara suffers from the same problem Anya, Xander, sometimes Giles, sometimes even Willow and dammit, sometimes even Spike have: there's no real reason for them to be in the episode, and unless they get a particularly good line or two, it seems like the writers are just filling space/time.

And if you're just watching the terrestrial stuff, now isn't a very good time for the character in terms of 'stuff to do' - she had some great stuff last season with her blossoming relationship with Willow ("I am you know - yours" - *sob*, awwww, *melt*), but the episode this series that was supposed to be 'about' her, with her family coming back, was a bit of a let-down (by a Joss-written episode standards). She does get lots to do as soon as the stuff that I obviously can't mention happening happens, though.

I don't know how you can claim that she's devoid of personality. To be honest I find Tara a refreshing contrast to the rest of the gang - she's coming from a different place, she's a bit more mature and worldly-wise in some ways whilst not being from a different generation/culture (like Giles), she doesn't feel the need to shout about everything (all of which characteristics are less than consistent given the number of writers involved, it has to be said). And there's an interesting shyness/confidence tension going on as well.

And equally, I don't know how you can say she adds nothing to the show - her relationship with Willow is one of the best in it. Don't get me wrong, I loved Oz in ways I'm still not ready to deal with, but there was always the sense that it involved Willow getting her sense of self-worth/esteem/confidence from the fact that she was going out with someone, particularly a cool, older musician. This relationship seems more equal.

But now I'm getting far too involved and talking about 'em like they're real people. Time to stop. And I haven't even gotten to the rarity of having a well-handled relationship like theirs on a show like this...
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
13:24 / 16.11.01
Oh Flyboy, you got it bad, worse than me.

I have been meaning to get back to this.

Originally posted by Flyboy
"Hmmm... "vastly irritating" and "largely a waste of skin" are just different ways of saying "I don't like her"."

How perceptive, nor was I particularly seroious, I was amusing myself by ranting. To be serious for a moment about this deadly serious topic, I do actually find it v.difficult to get annoyed at any of the cast members on Buffy because they all are so likeable (even the villains, I'd let the mayor date my sister) and I don't really hate Tara but I don't see what she adds to the mix. See "I am you know...yours." I just find that over sentimental tosh in a programme which has (though not always) managed to deal with such sentiments without having you reach for a sick bag. She feels tacked on for Willow to have a lesbian relationship, it sounds like the writers ging aren't we brave to portray such a thing but not doing anything with it and making her as one of the only two homosexuals in the programme a very weak character. Especially in terms of Willow's portrayal, who as much fun as the character's portrayal is, isn't that strong either.


Originally posted by Flyboy
"I don't know how you can claim that she's devoid of personality. To be honest I find Tara a refreshing contrast to the rest of the gang - she's coming from a different place, she's a bit more mature and worldly-wise in some ways whilst not being from a different generation/culture (like Giles), she doesn't feel the need to shout about everything (all of which characteristics are less than consistent given the number of writers involved, it has to be said). And there's an interesting shyness/confidence tension going on as well."

See I just see her as a wild flower and I can see no evidence of confidence in her either, though I do see the shyness/confidence thing going on in Willow.

Originally posted by Flyboy
"And equally, I don't know how you can say she adds nothing to the show - her relationship with Willow is one of the best in it. Don't get me wrong, I loved Oz in ways I'm still not ready to deal with, but there was always the sense that it involved Willow getting her sense of self-worth/esteem/confidence from the fact that she was going out with someone, particularly a cool, older musician. This relationship seems more equal."

But the relationship's not doing anything. The other relationships in the programme are progressing or falling apart but this one's static, it does nothing what so ever to move the narritive on and hasn't really since it satrted (but I am watching terretrial so I'm behind everyone else).

As for Oz there's something said last night on the show which annoyed me a bit. Willow said:- "Scuse me, gay now." Okay. So what was Oz about? Because that didn't look very much like a can't come to terms with sexuality, confused, cover up romance to me. That looked like the real deal. She appeared to have had real hetero sexual desires in the past, so what has she done with them?

Finally before I climb back into my fanboy cupboard (and I do have one of these). Some musings about Riley (and I'm just talking here). I did dislike Riley because he was so fucking Dudley do-right, however in last weeks episode (British terrestrial) when he buggers off to Belize (with much sofa encouragement from myself) Xander confronted Buffy and made some rather salient points. He points out to Buffy that Riley was always there, do anything for her, reliable, trustworthy (well except for the vampiric hoors) etc etc. It reminded me a bit of Silent Bob at the end of Clerks but he did make an interesting point. Riley all round dull character but a good boyfriend. Not good viewing but would be good for Buffy.

Am I making sense? Anyway back to the cupboard.
 
 
DaveBCooper
15:08 / 16.11.01
Was it just me, or was the use of Xander as a solid and emotionally-aware individual in last week's episode really well handled ? I thought it was well played and written, and great to see the character used for something other than just one-liners.

And when he told Anya that he loved her - or, rather, how much he loved her - I thought it was actively romantic in a way that you don't often see on TV... or in films, for that matter.

Or am I just being sappy ?

DBC
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
20:07 / 30.11.01
Last night's BBC2 episode was brilliant. This series has been a little slow getting off the gound. Not a bad thing just paced differently from the previous series but last night's show ruled. Admitedly I do have a thing for militant knightly orders showing up in contemporary settings (though I wish they wouldn't wear armour) but that aside her whole coming of age, turning the power play on it's head, I'm a woman now, half way through the series turning point was brilliant.

Has anyone else noticed a bit of Tarantinoesque stuff creeping in here. Glory torturing the monk in the warehouse in one of the earlier episodes? Spike doing the Commode Anecdote when he's telling the story of how he took out the New York based slayer?

What did happen to Tarantino anyway?
 
 
Bear
20:42 / 30.11.01
I think Tarantino is directing Buffy episodes.. yeah lasts nights was great..that whole Glory thing was nice...even starting to convert one of my flat mates now..it worked on my sister and even my dad (secretly)..

and i am drunk
 
 
pantone 292
20:49 / 30.11.01
quote: Riley all round dull character but a good boyfriend. Not good viewing but would be good for Buffy.
mmm, yeah, like a stake in the heart...
 
 
penitentvandal
12:42 / 04.12.01
quote:Originally posted by The Redcap's futility.:
...last night's show ruled. Admitedly I do have a thing for militant knightly orders showing up in contemporary settings...


Oh, please. Like we haven't seen the 'evil knightly order' conspiracy like a googolplex times before. I mean, it's sooooo last century.

I really hoped they were just some trick staged by the Watchers, or something, but no, they're real. Arse.

If these guys turn out to be major villains, I will rampage around my neighbourhood at random, stomping on pensioners and strangling children with skipping ropes.

And one of us want that, now, do we?
 
 
penitentvandal
12:43 / 04.12.01
quote:Originally posted by The Redcap's futility.:
...last night's show ruled. Admitedly I do have a thing for militant knightly orders showing up in contemporary settings...


Oh, please. Like we haven't seen the 'evil knightly order' conspiracy like a googolplex times before. I mean, it's sooooo last century.

I really hoped they were just some trick staged by the Watchers, or something, but no, they're real. Arse.

If these guys turn out to be major villains, I will rampage around my neighbourhood at random, stomping on pensioners and strangling children with skipping ropes.

And one of us want that, now, do we?
 
 
Bear
12:46 / 04.12.01
I did like their tattoo's on their heads though... I'll have to remember to tape it this week, sounds like it might be quite interesting...
 
 
Bear
13:02 / 04.12.01
In the last episode the Watchers council arrived with added info on Glory....
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
13:06 / 04.12.01
Ooohh this is right before they discover that Giles is an animated piece of bellybutton lint and have to destroy him using fundue tongs.
 
 
Bear
13:29 / 04.12.01
Yeah I read that on the net a couple of weeks ago. So does anyone have all the episodes? anyone splashed out and bought them all on DVD?
 
  
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