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Nicolas Cage to play John Constantine?!

 
  

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Wize Dragon
08:48 / 30.10.01
NICK CAGE NO!
I admire you for your ability to play the over the top and surreal character well. I cannot diss your ability to add extra dimension to what would be cardboard characters (though Gone In 60 Seconds was taking the piss), but you as Johnnny Boy is not right.
LEAVE IT.

Enuff of the tirade lets get back to basics, have we not learnt from past mistakes that one cannot easily adapt the subtle nature and allure of comics written by the British. Was not the slaughter of Judge Dredd enough to show the potential disaster? Probably not.

I suppose I would not be so pained to here the rumours and buzz, if it were a European company and director approaching the subject matter. Christ, Brotherhood of Wolf, certainly proves that Europe can still provide on the most commercial platform.

To be bluntly honest I have always aspired to adapting Hellblazer myself. It was one of the influences for me to get into film-making in the first place. Well maybe a guerilla adaptaion should just occur (whos with me?)

Hell, it doesn't stop here, they'll be casting Jude Law as Johnny Alpha next.

What can one do, but sit back and watch the goddam awful Hollywood machine, spurt into action, wiping away all reminants of culture.

Well at least we have the memories and influence left on us from the original comics. Lets dig them out and start reading them again.
PEACE
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:51 / 30.10.01
Although the film versions of Captain America, the Justice League of America and Generation X were fucking brilliant.
 
 
Mazarine
11:57 / 30.10.01
"We're thinking of making another Superman movie. Let's get Nick Cage to play the man of steel."

"We're thinking of making a Hellblazer movie. Let's get Nick Cage to play Constantine."

"We're thinking of making a Barbelith movie. Let's get Nick Cage to play Cherry Bomb."

sigh.
 
 
Sax
12:29 / 30.10.01
quote:Originally posted by yawn:
wot about jude law? or damon albarn? or vinnie jones?


John Constantine... is not... a Cockney...
 
 
Saint Keggers
12:56 / 30.10.01
If he can get the accent right, Mark Hamil.
 
 
Chuckling Duck
13:43 / 30.10.01
quote:Originally posted by The Lower Haus:
...some of the Delano issues are OK - intermittently quite spooky, but a bit aimless. A bit? Meandering, with irritating supporting cast...Grant Morrison's issues are top...and his appearance as "the Hero known as....Hellblazer!" in Doom Patrol is *inspired*.


It's the morbid creepiness of the Delano Constantine that I enjoyed the most, although I liked Moore's master manipulator and Gaiman's ironic rogue too. But let's not forget Grant's other brilliant Doom Patrol parody of JC, Willoughby Kipling.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:08 / 30.10.01
Sax, I think Yawn was taking the piss: Albarn and Law aren't cockneys, but they wear the mockney twat fiction suit every now and then. How about Jamie Oliver?

The thing with Constantine is, although he's supposed to be from up north, with all his "loves" and other %cockney mannerisms% it all starts to get a bit confused....
 
 
Ganesh
14:23 / 30.10.01
From a medical point of view, Ennis's cancer storyline was deeply, deeply irritating. It's not as if he'd have needed to do much in-depth research: a cursory viewing of 'Casualty' would've clued him up on terminology that's at least superificially 'authentic', and x-rays that actually look vaguely like the human body. The worst bit was when Constantine's visiting a ward and someone literally explodes across the walls, supposedly with 'massive organ failure'.

Twat.

Then there's the crappo artwork, and the fact that the action swiftly moves to - surprise! - Ireland...
 
 
The Damned Yankee
14:26 / 30.10.01
DISCLAIMER: The following suggestion was made by a Foreign Devil, and an American to boot. The management takes no responsibility for any utter ridiculousness in his statement. Thank you.

So maybe living in London for as long as he has, Constantine picked up some Cockney mannerisms while retaining his Scouse accent?
 
 
Jack Fear
14:40 / 30.10.01
No "maybe" about it: it's been more-or-less explicitly stated that he's been in Laaahhndahhn so long that he's gone native, and lost that fookin' Beatles accent in the process.

The whole-COnstantine-as-Scouse idea was not in the character's original brief, by the way: in his original appearances in Moore's SWAMP THING, he's referred to as "a jumped-up cockney thug," and there's no hint that he's anything but a Londoner born and bred.

The Liverpool connection, for good or ill, was entirely Jamie Delano's idea. When Delano sent John "home" to Liverpool in an early issue of HELLBLAZER, I thought for a minute I'd picked up the wrong comic. John's too much a creature of London: the Liverpool stuff has always rang false to me, and to my mind the stories dealing with that aspect have always been weak.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:50 / 30.10.01
The time to make a Constantine movie is long over anyway. Maybe they can get something good out of it, maybe not. But Jack Carter in Planetary was Constantine's swansong, and not before time.

I haven't really enjoyed that book since you stopped seeing things like crash-melded football hooligan monsters.
 
 
bio k9
18:41 / 30.10.01
quote:Originally posted by The Lower Haus:
Although the film versions of Captain America...fucking brilliant.

Love those rubber ears. And, hey, you forgot the Punisher movie.

I never really got into the book (still waiting for it to be returned to its rightful owner) but Gaimans issue was tops.

I think Samuel Jackson should play JC.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
19:06 / 30.10.01
Robert Carlyle... shit, that's good.

The Ennis run was, true to Ennis form, shitloads of Ennis. Irish references, drinking references, Pogies references, over the top violence, horror in your face... what made me love it more than any other run was that Constantine was wholly human. Love him or not, Delano can't write people - he writes Delano-ciphers, characters that string out his lurid prose without actually becoming in any way believable people. Ennis managed to make the back cast as interesting as the man himself, something Delano only ever managed with Gary Lester in the first few issues. But This Is A Can Of Worms...

Said it before - low budget British occult crime thriller. That's the only way to go.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
22:17 / 30.10.01
quote:Originally posted by yawn:
I thought he was a geordie.

Y'know like sting.

And hellblazer was in stormy monday right?

which was set in newcastle.

I never got the scouser bit.

ey?

ey?

one thing for certain:

he's a true ponce.

And big up to the runt representin wise words the world over wid dat Oliver jam.

Can you imagine?

Obviously Robert Carlyle could dae it, but ah dinnae like it when he doesnae speak scoatish like.
 
 
Sax
05:25 / 31.10.01
For the last fookin time John fookin Constantine is not a soft southern shandy ponce twat he is from Oop North in Liverpool and could twat anyone from soft southern shandy London so fook off.

Ahem. Point taken, Mr Fear, I agree that JC would have gone native, because London does that to you. Just look at Ganesh.

But for my money, Delano's run is the only one that counts. Ennis was bleurgh. All this holy water Guinness and raven haired beauties with balls. It was all a bit too Ballykissdevil for me.

Who can forget John Constantine dangling upside down in a cave as loads of Tory demons celebrate Thatcher winning the General Election?

Maybe Hellblazer the Movie should be done as an 80s period piece.
 
 
reidcourchie
07:16 / 31.10.01
80's period is a very good idea.

Originally posted by Jack the Bodiless
"The Ennis run was, true to Ennis form, shitloads of Ennis. Irish references, drinking references, Pogies references, over the top violence, horror in your face... what made me love it more than any other run was that Constantine was wholly human. Love him or not, Delano can't write people - he writes Delano-ciphers, characters that string out his lurid prose without actually becoming in any way believable people. Ennis managed to make the back cast as interesting as the man himself, something Delano only ever managed with Gary Lester in the first few issues. But This Is A Can Of Worms..."

Jack I can see you thinking that had you been reading a completely different comic. Ennis reduces his characters to cartoonish stereotype, that are exactly the same in whatever he is writing and completely over the top (which was amusing in Preacher but somewaht misplaced in Hellblazer). Delano does characters very well in the early Hellblazers but there is some subtlety beyond "Moines a pint of guiness."
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
07:35 / 31.10.01
Interesting about Constantine and physical violence. There was a lot of play later about how he never hit anyone and was crap at it, but in several of his early appearances, there's every indication he's rock hard - crushing a glass with his hand in a biker bar whilst his mate begs him not to do anything horrid to someone who's taking the piss...

The Constantine from 'Swamp Thing' was fascinating. The guy from the recent Hellblazers is overworked, over-explored, and dull.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:48 / 31.10.01
Constantine is an archetype: that's why people still want to read stories about him. But it also means that he's all things to all men (and some women) - and therefore each author who writes him imposes their own idea of what the character means even more so than is normally the case with characters they didn't create.

I still maintain that he's also the 'alternative' fanboys' Wolverine, and that getting worked up because there's a film being made that will inevitably deviate from your own ideal Constantine film is a little bit futile.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:15 / 31.10.01
Fair enough, up to a point. But he's got a core which most people would agree on, and I think it's true that making him American is, on the face of it, a bloody stupid idea.

He's a cultural phenomenon, after all, and he derives from the UK at that time...

On the other hand, America now is more like the UK in the eighties than ever before. perhaps it's perfect - setting it here, now, would be a joke.

I loathe almost all of Hellblazer from the moment when he got Brendan's girlfriend, had a birthday party and smoked the Swamp Thing, and got Cancer. Dull, dull, dull.
 
 
reidcourchie
08:25 / 31.10.01
Flyboy I pretty much agree with you as far as fanboys/film adaptions go. I must admit I don't see a problem with setting it in America as a lot of the Hellblazer stories (including Moore's first ones took place there. Cage wouldn't be my choice but I think he capable of playing Constantine.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:30 / 31.10.01
Constantine's style in those stories was fundamentally Brit. Putting the story in the US is never a problem. Making Constantine a yank is much more dangerous. If you asked me to to do it, I'd be bloody nervous, and I generally think I can write anything.
 
 
reidcourchie
08:33 / 31.10.01
Is he actually American then?

In the film I mean?

[ 31-10-2001: Message edited by: reidcourchie ]
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:33 / 31.10.01
Oh my God. I have no idea. I just assumed no one would cast Cage as a Brit Northerner, because surely no one would be that...

Oh, bugger.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:28 / 31.10.01
For the last fookin time: yes, John Constantine is an American (a New Yorker, in fact) in the film script, which is in fact called Constantine and not Hellblazer. It's being decsribed as "Dirty Harry in the occult world."

General info on the film at Coming Attractions. A review of an early draft of the script (dated 1997) at Flixburg. Shitloads of links and more info at both spots.

Jack's one-second review: Jesus wept.

Edit: turns out the FlixBurg link is fucked. The reviewer, Stax, wriotes for IGN FIlmForce now, but damned if I can find his Constantine script review. Sorry.

[ 31-10-2001: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]
 
 
Sax
12:10 / 31.10.01
With the predicted downturn in popularity for garishly-clothed ultra-powered beings who can save the world (they didn't), maybe non-costumed comics characters are the way forward for film adaptions.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:49 / 31.10.01
Comic book characters and their universes are so goddam fragile. That's what drives me nuts. Producers just see the tights and the fan figures and think they've got a winner. They often don't have a clue about what makes a comic a hit...

Gah.
 
 
invisible_al
16:39 / 31.10.01
Well I suppose we can hope for it to languish in movie hell until cage loses interest?

Yes I'm grasping at straws but with the current rush of 'feelgood' movies Hollywood is rushing into production it might not even get made.

The 'From Hell' thread is a good exploration why some stories shouldn't cross media.

Cage as Constantine, bunch of arse.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:09 / 01.11.01
quote:Originally posted by reidcourchie:
...Delano does characters very well...


Duzzee? And whoever asked whether we could ever forget the Tory demons celebrating Thatcher's re-election - <shudder> I've been trying to forget that horribly obvious, heavy-handed and irony-free 'touch' for years. Thanks for bringing it up. At least the demons didn't have Spitting Image style heads with Tory minister faces... although I think that was more to do with the limitations of the artist than any restraint on Delano's part.

And Fly, you're still missing the point entirely. We're not debating whether they should change the colour of Constantine's hair, we're berating what appear to be the indications of a clusterfuck of a movie adaptation. Naturally, some of us will see it, as Cameron did with From Hell and dominate pub conversations for the ensuing few months with tales of their woe. Some of us, like me, will not see it, and will still dominate pub conversations for the ensuing few months with tales of their woe. And lo, it will be shite.

The main problem, other than the fan's* fury when the people making a movie adaptation so comprehensively misunderstand the source material and it's attraction, is that this will dissuade anyone attempting an intelligent version for years to come. It may put them off entirely. Shitloads of things could have been done with the Judge Dredd/MegaCity One ideas and imagery - anime-style straight to video stuff, for example. It seems that because the Stallone movie wasn't a monster hit, that plans for anything more have been postponed. Anyone remember the Swamp Thing movies/TV series? Apart from Adrienne Barbeau's breasts, which made me the man I am today, they have nothing to offer except the kitsch. Swamp Thing hasn't been touched, never mind fondled, since.

If this goes ahead, and doesn't rake in the cash, we'll never see a decent adaptation of Hellblazer. If it busts some blocks, on the other hand, I guess we'll be seeing a gradual transformation on the part of the comic. Constantine's nose will become larger. He'll start speaking in a southern accent (that's Deep South, by the way, not Hampstead). He'll start developing nervous twitches, and staring sorrowfully with his (now) big brown eyes). Oh yes, and he'll have a cahp girlfriend. Either that, or they'll start a new Constantine Unlimited/Maximum Constantine with the guy from the movie (you know... for kids), and keep the original as some kind of Earth-2 variant.

* This is 'fan', as opposed to 'fanboy', by the way. There's been some kind of anti-fanboy meme clogging up everywhere except the Comics threads for the entire history of this board, and probably a lot of others. This, in turn, appears to have lead to paranoia, and a feeling that one cannot express an opinion of anything one likes (specifically anything geeky, like superheroes or comics in general) and appreciates without signposting it with the usual irony disclaimers. Doing so separates the paranoiacs from the 'fanboys' they despise, and allows them to say exactly the same things as said 'fanboys', but with a raised eyebrow signifying their higher cool factor and self-awareness quotient.

Just thought I'd mention it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:57 / 01.11.01
Hey, it breaks my heart that they're not putting Marrow in X-Men 2 and I'm not ashamed to admit it, but that doesn't make it right.
 
 
deja_vroom
13:32 / 01.11.01
Constantine is a difficult character, isn't he? I mean, he betrays his friends, fucks around, barely escapes alive from all the shit he gets into... Of course they would have to dumb it down, else people in the theaters would be asking for their money back:
"I don't care if he's British, I'm not giving $7 to see a guy send some little poor girl to hell!"
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:18 / 01.11.01
AHH! Stop that! You're doing their work for them! NEVER say 'they'd have to dumb it down'. Audiences are amazingly resilient about what they will watch. We just test them very rarely.

And if that weren't the case, it ought to be, and how do you get there if you don't make the product?

Demand intelligent film. If you don't, who will?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:22 / 01.11.01
'Fight dark supernatural forces'?

Sheesh. Wake up.
 
 
ghadis
15:06 / 01.11.01
The only person who has any right to play John Constantine is Paul Daniels...Apparently Alan Moore based the character on Paul during the mid-eighties when The Paul Daniels Magic Show was pulling in viewing figures of upwards of 18M...Paul was definatly at the height of his powers then although i guess he may be a bit old to play the character now...

Perhaps that bloke who goes around cheering up all the poor people in New York could do it...
 
 
deja_vroom
15:25 / 01.11.01
no no, NIck, I was talking about what those producers in Hollywood are most likely to think, not what I think it's right...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:34 / 02.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Jack Fear:
For the last fookin time: yes, John Constantine is an American (a New Yorker, in fact) in the film script, which is in fact called Constantine and not Hellblazer. It's being decsribed as "Dirty Harry in the occult world."


Phew, so they're not doing a movie about John Constantine then. That's all right then.
 
  

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