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Wizard of Oz/Synch/I-Ching/DSOTM

15:08 / 10.10.01

Ok,anyone else out there do the dark side of the moon WOZ thing.its not really a big deal.but there are a lot of films u can synch up with various music....b/c of the IChing.But I just wantedd to say.I dig the Oz.-and everyone can yell at me if they want.but maybe someone agrees with me.xo
B.A.

15:25 / 10.10.01

Okay, I'll bite: what's the I-Ching got to do with it?

For what it's worth, I think it's less to do with the specific films and music and more to do with the human brain's propensity for making patterns. If you watched "Wizard of Oz" to the accompaniment of any record, you'd find sychronicities.

It's a survival trait gone wacky: our pattern-making ability helps us to fit together seemingly random data into a coherent picture of the world, but it can also lead us to find connections where there are none. (Talk to any conspiracy theorist for examples.)

Rex City-zen

17:00 / 12.10.01

Again Jack I have to disagree with you.
While it is true that you can synch up most anything to anything, if you watch the film with the album there are very specific synchronicities-( Great gig in the sky, for example, now makes sense as a song to me, and the Money shot when dorthy arrives in OZ)
But...whatever floats your boat baby, believe it or not, I guess.
I am curious about the I ching reference though...please share.

09:10 / 13.10.01

Try "Echoes" with the last sequence of 2001.
Start it just before the text appears on the black screen (can't remember what it says). Waters once said he regretted not doing the soundtrack for the film, and Meddle came out one year later.

Zoom.

The Return Of Rothkoid

09:10 / 13.10.01

Hasn't this been around before? Might've been on the last iteration of Barbelith - I dug up an old interview with Waters (I believe) where he claims that it's interesting that the album fits in with the film; but just that, interesting. It's not intentional. I'm with Jack. I think it's wanting to see something, and then seeing it - doesn't mean that it's an intentional thing.

Straight Dope say no.

Floyd sync page
Another list of Syncs, other bands

09:10 / 13.10.01

remember a synchronicity is different than a coincidence. it's an unintentional occurance with meaning.

which, perhaps, is what our friend might be suggesting about the i-ching. if you draw an i-ching randomly in the morning and descipher meaning from the appropriate verse and use all your knowledge, wit, intuition and magic to make a decision based on that verse, it's "randomness" has gained a synchonized meaning with your life.

since human existence is based on an intricate interpentration of randomness and purpose, it is the highest acheivement of our will to make meaning.

and this is doubly true when it comes to psychedlic music or wizardry.

07:32 / 14.10.01

The best parts are when Dorothy falls off of the fence and the music gets all frantic and the heart beats at the end of the album- just as Dorothy puts her hand on the Tin-Mans chest.

20:18 / 16.10.01

B.A. here. well maybe its not the I-Ching perhaps it has to do with the Pythagorean TheOrem or something.-and thanks K.9 thats my fave part too.

even tho you hate my story.hmmm.why is every one so negatorio.i knew this would cause conflict.hahaha.j/k-but seriously i was just curious if anyone had any thoughts on this.-and I guesss you all do....i dont think floyd did it intentionally tho.i do of course believe its random.but i think p.f. are in touch with the Pythgorean Theorem,the rainbow theory,music as colors etc....know what i am talking about anyone?-*******xo Tania X

23:02 / 16.10.01

quote:Originally posted by B.A.:
...know what i am talking about anyone?-*******
No.

That's why I asked you to explain it.

And I'm still waiting.

00:19 / 17.10.01

quote:Originally posted by Jack Fear:
If you watched "Wizard of Oz" to the accompaniment of any record, you'd find sychronicities.
On a lesser scale, this is why trampling over any respect for copyright by using movie scores, pop songs, and classical music in my high school project videos was so wildly successful, usually for comedy value.

In the opening credits of our film on feudal Japan, the wash of heroic strings about halfway through the theme from "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" coincided perfectly (and ironically) with the unnecessarily gruesome woodcuts of samurai holding the severed heads of their enemies. In the magnum opus "Mr. Rogers Talks About Chemistry," thunderous double-bass rolls in "Smells Like Teen Spirit" hit at the precise moment of freeze-frame when Mr. Rogers vaults a wall to escape the explosion caused when Mr. Sodium leaps into the swimming pool. The downward glissando of strings in "Ride of the Valkyries" accompanies mad scientist Maximillian Smith's shrinking machine running out of fuel and crashing to the kitchen floor to be devoured by my now-deceased Labrador retriever.

Meeeeemmmoriieeees... =~)

quote:...our pattern-making ability helps us to fit together seemingly random data into a coherent picture of the world, but it can also lead us to find connections where there are none.
And thank god it does, or my teachers would have failed to laugh and would have noticed how little actual information our projects contained.

Rex City-zen

16:43 / 25.10.01

.............zzz.....zzzz....HEY!! DID HE TALK ABOUT THE I-CHING YET?...no?...er...zzzz...zzzzz.....

Brigade du jour

11:15 / 23.05.06

I did the Wizard Of Oz/Dark Side Of The Moon and found it all quite mesmerising. I don't much care whether or not it was deliberate, and only slightly more whether it acts as evidence of some unconscious power at work. I just thought it would be a cool way of watching a familiar film and listening to a familiar album, and it was.

God, I'm almost getting off on how prosaic I'm making it sound ...

Does anyone know of any other film/album synchronicities that work rather nicely? The link above is good but a bit short.

11:55 / 23.05.06

I didn't see it mentioned in the link, sooooo: 'Fantasia' and Pink Floyd's 'Meddle' is a great sync. Better than the 'Dark Side of Oz', IMHO.

The Set-up - The tracks on 'Meddle' are played in this order: 'Echoes', 'One of These Days', 'A Pillow of Winds', and 'Fearless'. Start 'Fantasia' and, as the conductor fades to red, start the CD. Enjoy!

The Sorceror's Apprentice section gets very freaky as Mickey hacks away at the broom to the lyric "One of these days, I'm going to chop you into little pieces," and all the little cells cheering along with the end of 'Fearless' is awesome.

14:53 / 23.05.06

Taken from the Getting Hallucinogenic Drugs thread in convo (so bear in mind my respnse has to do with taking something trippy and doing this :

try mixing tracks 3 and 4 of the Mars Volta's Deloused... album with the Animatrix short The Second Rennaissance part 2. Start the music just after the title fades out, sit back and enjoy. Seriously, it works a treat when you're tripping your tits off. There's one bit where an atomic bomb goes off on screen at the exact same time as a massive shift in tempo/octave in the music. I thought my heart would pound out of my chest, and my eyes watered uncontrollably. It were awesome.

20:06 / 23.05.06

I think there's probably something biological or neurological at work -- pacing the cuts in a film and pacing your average pop song are pretty similar arts. Measured movement through time.