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The One?

 
 
Tamayyurt
13:50 / 10.10.01
What the hell is this about? It looks like a Matrix rip off!
 
 
RadJose
23:18 / 10.10.01
from what i know jet lee has to finght other jet lee's from alternate univerces, cuz outta all the alt univerces the main jet lee is the only good one and the rest are evil or something... i don't really know, and it dinna look to matrixy save for the kung-fu stuff that the matrix ripped off from kung-fu mpvies that jet lee used to act in...
 
 
Tamayyurt
01:56 / 11.10.01
Oh, then in that case, it sounds rather cool!
 
 
moriarty
02:31 / 11.10.01
Part of me has a feeling that this isn't going to be much of a good movie. Part of it has to do with my not liking the trailer. Another part has to do with Jet Li not really having much success in his American movies. And I'm not sure about the dodgy alternate reality, Highlanderesque plotline. But I find my doubts getting drowned out by two things.

The One is being made by the two guys responsible for Final Destination and almost all the good episodes of the X-Files and Millennium.

And Jet Li insisted on adding his input, specifically incorporating his Buddhist beliefs into the movie.

I hope it pans out.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:59 / 11.10.01
quote:Originally posted by moriarty:
The One is being made by the two guys responsible for Final Destination and almost all the good episodes of the X-Files and Millennium.


Shit - is it someone Wong and someone else? The guys who also did Space: Above And Beyond?
 
 
moriarty
11:48 / 11.10.01
Yes! I forgot about Space:Above and Beyond!

Glen Morgan and James Wong. I just wish they'd throw Darin Morgan into the mix.
 
 
CameronStewart
12:57 / 11.10.01
I'm certain it's going to be a piece of shit, but for some reason I'm really looking forward to seeing it.

Plot is that parallel-universe Evil Jet Li escapes from prison and travels through infiinite alternative worlds, killing off his counterpart in each one. With each one he kills, he grows more powerful!

And then he comes to our world, to kill his counterpart here - Good Jet Li.

Then they fight a lot.

The one stumbling block I've noticed in the trailer is that Evil Jet Li doesn't have a goatee. How are we supposed to tell them apart?

[ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: CameronStewart ]
 
 
CameronStewart
13:02 / 11.10.01
Jet Li's Iron Monkey is also getting a fresh coat of paint and a re-release, presumably because Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon proved that Western audiences can accept people with funny baldy heads and ponytails leaping 30 feet in the air while speaking Chinese.

Iron Monkey is good. If The One turns out to be a bust, go see this instead.

[ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: CameronStewart ]
 
 
Knodge - YOUR nemesis!
16:22 / 11.10.01
Just to point out: Iron Monkey stars Donnie Yen, not Jet Li.

Everyone should definitely check it out.
 
 
CameronStewart
18:19 / 11.10.01
Ooops, yes, you're quite correct.

My bad.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
19:50 / 12.10.01
this movies plot sounds like the king/straub mutual wank known as The Talismen

i just hope the Jet/Jet fight scenes dont suck utter balls
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:28 / 16.10.01
well... I'm excited to see it... but then again, I have a bit of a personal stake in it's success...


There serious potential for some "real" Kungfu storytelling as the Bad jet is a Xingyi master & the Good Jet's a Bagua master...

Jet's quite good at both & in terms of the story...

XingYi is "linear"

Bagua is "Circular"
is those terms make any sence... Special FX aside... there's potential for the philosophies behind these arts to be used as metaphores in the film.

The Jet vs. Jet effects look Good enough to forgive both the evil Twin formula & the Highlander similarities...
 
 
Knodge - YOUR nemesis!
09:51 / 17.10.01
I agree, it will be quite interesting to see how well the story takes advantage of the metaphors provided by the two styles.
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:18 / 03.11.01
Well... My publisher sprung for our crew to go catch a matinee. So we got to have almost the whole theater to our selves...

I enjoyed it... A steady improvement on his previous Romeo Must Die and Kiss of the Dragon films... still it was certainly not the epic film I was hoping for.

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There where some good uses of parrallel story telling, as a series of events are repeated with different charactors playing different roles... with different results. Still this could have been explored more thorroughly & afforded more style.

The initial premis was explained well... & there were a few subtle tips of the hat to Highlander.

Bullet-time worked pretty well here, dispencing with the micro sonic booms to indicate how inhumanly FAST Lawless is. This playes around with physics a bit as he tosses an opponent over his shoulder and then kiks him again while floating in mid air... cool effects.

The Bagua & Xing Yi are depicted wonderfully, yet ALOT of the underlying mythologies will be lost on anyone not familuar with the arts & their associated Myths...

The uses of Mirrors in various scenes again could have been explored more thoroughly. Then there was the Revenge aspect that came into play towards the climax of the film; the Good Jet is finally driven to persue his Foe. The pressance of a sifu/wise man figure could have offered much greater depth to the film, offering distilled explainations of the underlying philosophies and an opportunity for a motivation greater that "revenge" to come into play...

Still there was some BAD-ASS fighting. Even though, the Jet-vs-Jet fights could have benefited from lets cuts & close-ups. There was also a nice play on the 5 elements as well... though again it could have been explored more thorroughly...
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:24 / 05.11.01
Just saw this and it fucking rocked in the actions dept. I agree with PATricky about it's shortcommings.

and could you please enlighten me on this:

quote: The Bagua & Xing Yi are depicted wonderfully, yet ALOT of the underlying mythologies will be lost on anyone not familuar with the arts & their associated Myths...
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:49 / 05.11.01
In Short:

Bagua:
Is an internal martial arts that uses the I-ching as a model... The Yin-Yang surrounded by the 8 main tri-grams of the I-ching is called a Baugua. You see it used in many Feng-Shui mirrors. The Good Jet practices it & used it in the scene where he was walking a circle in his private room. Imagine all the uses of mirrors in the movie & think of the feng-shui mirror. It's movement are based on 12 animal meditations & is typified by circular movements in the arms, legs, etc.

XinYi: Is a martial art typified by "short power" and movements along a straight line. "the shorts path between 2 points is a straight line." The origin myth of XingYi places it's founder in prision & in manicles... he invented XingYi by practicing his Kungfu in the confined space of his cell while waring such chains... This sceen was totally replayed by the evil jet in the movie. The use of the "phoenix Eye" is very popular... (a fist with the index finger extended & folded so it's second knuckle protrudes... imagine holding a gun but still curling your fingers so your thumb rests on the second knuckle of your middle finger & your index finger is folded along side the thumb. This concentraits all the force of a punch into that one knuckle & allows for very precisie pressure point attacks.

The final fight scene was all about the advantages each art has... on the cat walk the XingYi dominated, with it's tight movements, short power & straight lines. On the floor Bagua dominated with it's circular movements & redirection of force & energy...

Did you also notice the uses of elements... Fire, Water, Steam, Metal???
 
 
Knodge - YOUR nemesis!
22:30 / 05.11.01
PATricky: I would love to further my knowledge of the history/mythology which surrounds various forms... any recommendations with regards to a quality book(s)?

I have not seen the film yet, but your talk of Jet Li's quality Baguazhang and Xingyi has me very interested!
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:15 / 06.11.01
Well... the company I work for just published a whole Magazine exploring both Xingyi & Baugua...as a sort of companion to the film, and at about $3.99 US it beats the hell out of buying a book for an intro... to these arts.


plus you get to bask in some Badass design by Me & my crew... Plus the editorial team is top notch as well.


no books spring to mind at the moment but this Website could lead you to some sources including a Kungfu Forum where tons of folks would probably be willing to point you in many directions. Check the section that covers Internal Arts.


but if you want to pick up the mag...800-824-2433


it's a good mag... really

[ 06-11-2001: Message edited by: PATricky ]
 
  
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