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Ganesh
22:20 / 19.02.02
Anyone else see this? BBC2, Tuesday nights, it's a fairly obvious attempt to recreate the 'Sex and the City' set-up with four forty/fiftysomething British men in place of Carrie & co. Caught it while channel-flicking and watched it almost by accident, fully expecting it to be bollocks.

And it wasn't. It was a little clumsily-executed in places (not sure about Nigel Havers' direct-to-camera bits) but it actually wasn't half bad. The interior shots - possibly mimicking SatC's high production values - were luscious, and the characters were moderately interesting (particularly ol' Giles-from-'Buffy' reprising his Gold Blend lothario schtick). If nothing else, they're to be applauded for moving away from the current preoccupation with high-school teens and family-based sitcom.

Anyone else see it? Did you think the SatC style worked? Can it be sustained?
 
 
The Natural Way
07:51 / 20.02.02
No, haven't seen it yet, but interested....

Tho' I'm sure as soon as Head rears his head I'll be all:

"Get back to Sunnydale, bastard! Yr funny not-quite-daughter w/ superpowers needs you!"


Because I care a little bit too much.

[ 20-02-2002: Message edited by: Fantastic YOU [I, Runce] ]
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:03 / 20.02.02
Rearing his head proved a bit of problem in episode one. I was going to start a thread on this, actually, and call it "Giles' Flaccid ManCock"...

It was a guilty pleasure. Quite slick, funny... I did watch it mainly for the spectacle of Anthony Head being a naughty man.

Personally, I don't think it's anywhere near as cringingly bad as Sex and The City, but I'm not sure it has anything unique about it that will enable it to find an audience - Sex and The City has been extremely popular (as far as I can tell from friends, especially amongst women, and particularly women whose taste in entertainment is usually much higher) because it's the only show on television that shows women smoking, drinking, swearing, shagging, and talking about shagging like adults, without having bad things happen to them in some kind of awful morality tale. (Although I still find SatC pretty sickeningly reactionary: "I found myself wondering, can a rich woman ever have a good relationship with a poor man? No.")

I don't know if wealthy men in their fifties want or indeed need an equivalent. Manchild (or at least Nigel Havers' narrating figure) makes a point of stressing that the wealthy, single, hedonistic man in his fifties who has sex with lots of beautiful young women is an entirely modern phenomenon, whereas it seems to me to be a cliche that's at least as old as popular entertainment...

What saves it is probably the way that Havers' character is constantly being undermined - the sense that he really is a bit sad, a bit tragic. The scene with his posh druggy son, Justin, was quite good in that regard. I'd like to see it go more in that direction... At the moment it's... Well, it's there, and I'll probably watch it if I'm in, but it's nothing special. (TVPATROLGO!)

[ 20-02-2002: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
suds
08:03 / 20.02.02
i saw it last night and really didn't dig it at all. sure, there were some sexist slurs that had me and my housemates gasping, but that wasn't it.
maybe it 's because brits aren't as sassy as the americans: we can't pull off a show anywhere near sex in the city. what we got was four ugly, smug men who are no doubt being 'feminised' in this society. (note: husband feeling trapped in a [trent brockman] loveless sham of a marraige [/trent brockman] and the guy in leathers saying, 'does my bum look big in this'?
ugh. awful, trite, patronising bullshit.
 
 
Bear
08:03 / 20.02.02
You like it then...

I would have watched but I was watching the Crowley doc..maybe get a chance to watch it next week although next weeks Master of Darkness is about Marquis De Sade so I'll probably end up watching that...
 
 
The Natural Way
10:18 / 20.02.02
'Master of Darkness'....

Now, that does = big poo.
 
 
Ganesh
20:15 / 20.02.02
quote:Originally posted by suds:
there were some sexist slurs that had me and my housemates gasping[/i]

In both directions - as with 'Sex and the City'...

[qb][quote]maybe it 's because brits aren't as sassy as the americans... awful, trite, patronising bullshit.


<shudder>

'Sassy' has to be up there with 'kooky','zany' and 'wacky' in the Teeth-Grinding Compendium...

In a way, I thought it was actually a hell of a lot braver than 'Sex and the City'. Rather than transposing four gay male scene-queens unconvincingly into womens' bodies (with all the reactionary pseudo-outre marshmallow that implies), 'Manchild' actually seemed to be trying to engage with its protagonists, pointing up the ugliness and character flaws beneath the surface sheen.

First episode; it'd be wrong to dismiss it out of hand.
 
 
suds
07:31 / 21.02.02
ganesh, hee hee. i laughed out loud at yr post. 'teeth grinding compendium'! excellent!
what can i say? i am digging the word sassy. and i guess yr right, we shouldn't judge it on one programmes worth. but, boy, did it ever suck!
 
  
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