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SPIDERMAN THE MOVIE

 
  

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Warrington Minge
19:17 / 17.08.01
Ok I need some help here. I love the EVIL DEAD films, thought QUICK AND THE DEAD and DARKMAN were cool, liked A SIMPLE PLAN and...ahem..even liked FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME ( ok so I'm a big softie! ).
Therefore when I heard Sam Raimi was going to do the new Spiderman film I was very excited to say the least.
So how come every trailer I download and every screen shot I see looks absolutely dreadful. I desperately want to be excited about this film. Please help.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:25 / 18.08.01
I've only seen the one trailer so far. Got to say, the computer-generated bits look, well, computer-generated.

And a bit shit.

There's still a while to go before release. I remain hopeful.
 
 
Mazarine
11:05 / 18.08.01
Tobey MacGuire's playing our friendly neighborhood Spiderman, right? I was really hoping Nicholas Brendan would get it, but oh well.
 
 
Warrington Minge
11:18 / 18.08.01
My personal choice for Peter Parker would have been Wes Bentley from American Beauty. He just looks like Peter Parker...and he's got a camera!!
 
 
Warrington Minge
11:25 / 18.08.01
And what about Kristen Dunst as Mary Jane. She doesnt look anything like her. I saw Virgin Suicides the other day and couldn't believe this was the actress to play Mary Jane.
But I dont want to be negative about this movie. I want to love it. Sam Raimi's a huge Spidey fan so it has to be good doesn't it? I live in hope.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:48 / 18.08.01
No. It will be bad, bad, bad.

Every film based on a well-known corporate franchise comic book is, without exception, mediocre at best. There's always too much money riding on them (these films really make their money on their merchandising tie-ins, remember), and it acts as a straitjacket--nobody wants to be the one who breaks the franchise: so they're inevitably tarted-up and dumbed-down to within n inch of their lives.

The SUPERMAN films? Sucked rocks, each and every one. The BATMAN films? Junk, albeit visually lush junk. X-MEN? Better than most, but you could feel the schizophrenic pull between providing "Easter eggs" for fans of the comics and straight, comprehensible adventure with lotsa splosions for the action-movie crowd--and the tensions tore the film apart, so it failed on both accounts.

The best--maybe the only good--comic book movies are those based on lesser-known properties, because there's less to lose, and therefore more to gain: BLADE was a decent little chopsockey picture--precisely because it ignored "continuity" for the sake of a good story: after all, who gives fuck about Blade? Same with GHOST WORLD: free to be its own thing.

SPIDER-MAN is going to blow dead goat. Too many cooks, too much at stake.
 
 
Saint Keggers
14:47 / 18.08.01
I saw a pic of Kirsten Dunst in her Mary Jane red hair and she looked pretty damn good. As Peter I think that they should have gotten Nicholas Brendon too.
They have the perfect guy for the Goblin, but damn the outfit looks shitty
And they should have Burt Reynolds as J.Johnah Jameson (have you seen Driven? He looks just like him in one seen)
John Goodman as the Kingpin
Pete Rose as Dr. Octopus
Goldberg as The Rhino
Estelle Getty as Aunty May
Ted Danson as Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:30 / 18.08.01
Yeah, Raimi's star has definitely come to ground.Pre 'The Simple Plan' Raimi was the 'cult director' who made flawed but energetic and unique (if cheerfully derivative) films.
With Simple Plan's beautiful and bitter arrival, it seemed as if he could now make a great variety of different, excellent films. Unfortunately it seems to have established him as someone who can make shite, predictable films. The Gift almost made me weep with it's 'Ms Marple, Psychic Single Mother' plot-line. Go back to obscurity, Sam!

[ 18-08-2001: Message edited by: Impending Controversy ]
 
 
Jamieon
10:56 / 19.08.01
I really don't give much of a shit about this film, but anyway:

Those complaining about the special effects should remember the film's still in post production and we've only seen temp shots.
 
 
Saint Keggers
14:09 / 19.08.01
Im not complainning about the special effects, Im complaining about the look of Greengoblin. Hes in body armour!!! He look more like a Power Rangers villain . But getting Wiiliam Defoe to play him was great.
And I liked the trailer. The webswing sequence looked just like the cartoon from the 70's.
 
 
Opalfruit
07:27 / 20.08.01
quote:Originally posted by kegboy:

Ted Danson as Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD


Erm. There's already been a Nick Fury film - it was David Hasslehoff that played him. It's awful....
 
 
Saint Keggers
15:20 / 20.08.01
yeah I know, I saw it..David was horrid in it and the script was bad too. I just try to pretend it never happened.
 
 
A
02:11 / 21.08.01
ha, you think that's bad?

there was almost a movie starring David fucking Hasselhoff as Doctor Who!!

Adam
 
 
Molly Shortcake
14:44 / 21.08.01
James Cameron was set to direct this years ago, but refused to do it when Hollywood big wigs demanded that he change the franchise. Cameron wanted to have the film resemble the comic, was very excited about using CGI for Venom.

There's a smigeon of hope, Blade convinced Hollywood money men that film based on a comic book property could actually resemble a comic book and still make money! What a concept. Blades a great film, wish the political subtexts were explored. Don't mind the one dimensional lead. Thank God LLCoolJ didn't get the part.
 
 
Molly Shortcake
14:53 / 21.08.01
If it's any consolation, the ps2/gamecube Spiderman 'the movie' videogame looks quite amazing.
 
 
Saint Keggers
16:13 / 22.08.01
quote:ha, you think that's bad?

there was almost a movie starring David fucking Hasselhoff as Doctor Who!!

Adam

Thats nothing compared to the horror which almost was: Nicholas Cage as Superman...
But I like the Idea of Eliza Dushku as Wonder Woman...ok I just like the idea of Eliza Dushku.

Im hoping they do venom in one of the Spiderman movies. That should kicksass if done right...or suck horribly otherwise.
 
 
CameronStewart
02:02 / 23.08.01
I dunno, I'm really looking forward to the Spider-Man film. Despite the completely sensible arguments Jack Fear lays out above, there's not a single casting announcement, still photo or video clip that hasn't made me all excited. I think Raimi knows what he's doing.

And yeah, the CGI in the trailer looked a bit ropey, but it's early days yet. And anyway, the special effects don't have to be perfect - the effects were dreadful in Raimi's early films but they worked fine anyway, and the CGI in Blade was a bit off but the film was fun enough that it didn't matter.

I live in hope.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
20:37 / 27.08.01
I agree with Jack about everything except X-Men. It was absolutely amazing, nearly flawless in fact. And it made me really excited about the Spider-man for no good reason, as I don't give a flying fuck about it otherwise.

Then... there's the possibility of Ang Lee doing The Hulk - which made me strangely throb in an urgent and unseemly manner... possibly I need help?
 
 
Lex
10:11 / 28.08.01
Just remember where you posted this and then ask yourself the question again.
 
 
Margin Walker
23:19 / 29.08.01
I live in hope.

I do as well. Whenever anybody talks about Raimi, I always get pissed off that everybody completely overlooks the fact that he co-wrote the masterful "Miller's Crossing". As for Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane, my policy is this: Kirsten Dunst in anything is a good thing. A sexy, Kelvin scale-cool, lackadaisical woman playing a character named after a slang term for pot?
Mmmmmmm....
 
 
Warrington Minge
15:38 / 30.08.01
Yeah love Millers crossing. He also co - wrote HUDSUCKER PROXY which is one of my faves. Believe me I want to love Spiderman the movie.

I agree Kristen Dunst is great but does she look like Mary Jane?
 
 
Saint Keggers
01:50 / 31.08.01
Yeah I saw her on Jay Leno with her red Mary Jane hair..She could pass.
 
 
Lurker in the corner
02:36 / 31.08.01
I hear that the World Unity Festival scene kicks ass though, especially the extra with the big lace hat.
 
 
Hieronymus
14:41 / 07.11.01
**SPOILERS!!** New one sheet of the Green Goblin just came out. Why oh why does this thing look like it's going to be terrible?
 
 
Warrington Minge
16:33 / 07.11.01
After my original post I have now found out that Sam Raimi didnt direct that awful trailer and that sequence isnt in the film.

I also watched the Gift the other day and while the plot is incredibly obvious I thought there were some really nice directorial touches.

Apparently i've heard there are going to be visual references to the Evil Dead films In Spiderman as well which is a nice touch.

There is hope after all!
 
 
uncle retrospective
16:47 / 07.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Warrington Minge:
[QB}
Apparently i've heard there are going to be visual references to the Evil Dead films In Spiderman as well which is a nice touch.

There is hope after all! [/QB]



Bruce Cambell is in it too. A small part, but his bit in dark man was the best bit in it.
 
 
Hieronymus
18:25 / 07.11.01
I have some promo pics that Sony forced SpidermanHype.com to take down if anyone's really jonesing for more shots of the Goblin, Spidey, et al. Email me if you want 'em. Nothing super spoilericious about them.

I have to admit, I'm more impressed by Raimi's latest body of work than his early stuff. The Gift, while pretty much following the plot of a Lifetime movie, was extremely well done visually. Here's to hoping he pulls it off.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:48 / 08.11.01
I'm hopeful about it...

the GreenGoblin costume doesn't look so bad to me... though I think the pruple hat could still have worked. He always wore a rubber mask & suit... they just ampt it up to 21st century styles...
 
 
Saint Keggers
00:58 / 11.11.01
The Green Goblin looks awefull...Why cant they just stick to character without having to go all artsy and give it their personal touch.
I want to see whoever did that roasting over a hot fire!!!
 
 
bio k9
01:15 / 11.11.01
After seeing

The new one sheet of the Green Goblin

I went looking for a hanger so I could try to abort this thing

[ 11-11-2001: Message edited by: Bioluminescent K9 ]
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:45 / 13.11.01
Naaa... still doesn't look so bad.

I'm curious about how it'll look in motion.
 
 
Warrington Minge
22:00 / 15.12.01
Ok I'm prepared to retract my original statement. The new trailer in KaosBeaR 's thread has well and truly got me into it. I knew Sam Raimi wouldnt fail me. the goblin looks cool. and its got the craziness of the early spidey stories.
Just looks like great saturday morning entertainment. May is going to be a great month for movies.

Still not sure whats going on with Mary Jane in the Gwen Stacy storyline.

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Does this mean Mary Jane is going to cop it in the first movie?
 
 
CameronStewart
02:47 / 16.12.01
>>>Does this mean Mary Jane is going to cop it in the first movie?<<<

I doubt it. I'm sure the film will bear some resemblence to the Gwen Stacy story, but they'll tweak it so she doesn't get snapped.
 
 
Tempus
20:42 / 17.12.01
I don't know if anyone has seen the new trailer that came out Friday last, but it really looks fun. To my mind, Tobey Maguire was exactly right to play Peter Parker--a believable outsider--and he's bulked up nicely for the Spider-man part. I understand the dismay about the Green Goblin's armor, but it behooves me to point out that any rendering of his costume as it was originally done would probably look fairly lame onscreen.

I think worrying about a movie being "faithful" to its source, especially if its source is a comic book bogged down with thirty-odd years of dubious continuity, is antithetical to actually enjoying the movie. The first question should always be whether a movie is a good movie or not.

One of the reasons X-Men was good was that it derived only the right bits from the comic, the mythic underpinnings, if you will. That's what makes superhero movies good, not dogged faithfulness--comic books and movies are, after all, vastly different mediums. Don't go in to X-Men 2 looking for the Dark Phoenix story and don't go into Spider-man worrying about whether Kirsten Dunst *really* looks like Mary Jane, or how Spider-man's having organic web-shooters really wrecks everything, and you'll probably have a pretty good time.

That's my take on it, anway.
 
 
Ofermod
22:51 / 17.12.01
And, of course, Bruce Campbell will have a cameo and the car that Raimi uses in every move (the one Ash goes through the winshield of in Evil Dead 2)...it's even in the new trailer. I think Tobey Maguire can pull off Peter Parker, but agree that Wes Bently would have been better.
Also, J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson is almost perfect. He's worked with Raimi before in The Gift and For the Love of the Game (which is one of the best baseball movies out there) but best known as Schillinger in OZ. Give him some hair and a mustache and I can just see him yelling "PARKER!"


[ 18-12-2001: Message edited by: Ofermod ]
 
  

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