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Scrubb is on a downward spiral

13:57 / 25.07.01

"Will and Grace". I caught the first episode last Friday. It worried me a lot; there's something fundamentally flawed with it which I can't place. It's not the gay man/female best friend thing being thrashed to death again. It's not the fact that I'll bet my trainers that Will won't get jiggy at any stage in the next two series. It's not the screaming queen best friend. It's something else.

Am I just being a gay-vigilante paranoic? What did anyone else think? Help me articulate my fears!

Our Lady of The Two Towers

15:34 / 25.07.01

Sorry, can't help you there. I watch it, I quite liked it, but I also felt the unease. I think it was just the hypocrisy, the network wants to appeal to the queer community but doesn't want to offend Middle America. The focus of the show will become 'can a gay man fall in love with a woman?'. If it lasts that long I can foresee season 2 or 3 ending with Will realising he wants to shag Grace. If the show comes to a natural end (as opposed to disappearing into syndication) then I strongly suspect it will end with them getting married. Prove me wrong you fuckers!

Cop Killer

17:44 / 25.07.01

Hasn't it already been on for like 3 seasons? Will's homosexuality has not faltered once and I really don't think it will.

priya narma

18:19 / 25.07.01

quote: Originally posted by Cop Killer:
Hasn't it already been on for like 3 seasons? Will's homosexuality has not faltered once and I really don't think it will.

the show is going into it's fourth season this fall. it's a boring day at work so i just spent a loooong time reading all of the episode plotlines. Will has never jumped on the Grace bandwagon and like Cop Killer, I don't believe he ever will. there is no need to be paranoid about the show...it's just way too fun for that.

levon

18:25 / 25.07.01

quote:Originally posted by George V:
"Will and Grace". I caught the first episode last Friday. It worried me a lot; there's something fundamentally flawed with it which I can't place.

maybe it's the fact that the show isn't at all funny.

Regrettable Juvenilia

19:21 / 25.07.01

I've only seen one episode and so won't bother trying to speculate on what might come, but it made me laugh. Cop Killer, does Will get relationship plotlines, or is it all Grace?

GRIM

10:40 / 26.07.01

Soemthing seemed off with it to me too.
Will just doesn't seem gay.

I've got very masculine gay friends, and very 'Screaming queen' gay friends. But I just couldn't see Will as convoncingly gay.

Maybe its a difference in Brit/American culture in these things.

GRIM

Cop Killer

18:08 / 26.07.01

quote:Originally posted by The Flyboy:
I've only seen one episode and so won't bother trying to speculate on what might come, but it made me laugh. Cop Killer, does Will get relationship plotlines, or is it all Grace?

Will gets relationship plotlines, Grace gets relationship plotlines, Jack gets relationship plotlines, everyone in the show gets 'em.

Our Lady of The Two Towers

10:34 / 27.07.01

quote:Originally posted by GRIM:
I've got very masculine gay friends, and very 'Screaming queen' gay friends. But I just couldn't see Will as convoncingly gay.

At the risk of going into a Chandler 'You just have a gay air about you' Bing thing here, is the actor who plays Will gay?

Regrettable Juvenilia

19:04 / 27.07.01

Consider this: Will and Grace is pretty much aimed at the same audience as Friends (in the UK it's even on just after it). In the latest episodes of Friends I saw, there was a running joke about at least two characters being 'gay', as if it were a kind of smelly bad disease.

In this sense, W&G is progressive...

Ganesh

19:17 / 27.07.01

It just seems to follow the standard US sitcom formula of Beautiful, Unfeasibly Witty People With 'Dating Issues'. I don't think it's especially 'brave' (certainly not in the way 'Queer As Folk' was brave) but I guess it could develop, in time. At first sight, it appears to feed into the 'homosexual as household pet' scenario beloved of 'My Best Friend's Wedding' - with the main poof character, Will, an urbane but sexless facade. I suppose anything which expands the 'Sex & The City' portrayal of sex (sooooo 'outrageous' in an extremely mild, sanitised way!) has to be a Good Thing. Even if, immediately, it feels rather banal.

Cat Chant

08:52 / 28.07.01

quote:Originally posted by The Flyboy:
In the latest episodes of Friends I saw, there was a running joke about at least two characters being 'gay', as if it were a kind of smelly bad disease.

In this sense, W&G is progressive...

Yeah, the ep of Friends on last night in the UK equated Chandler's having kissed a guy with Ross's having shat himself on a fairground ride as 'embarrassing anecdotes' (except having kissed a guy was worse). I got very upset. Particularly since they've dropped all the Chandler/Joey stuff and put in lots of explicit stuff about how Chandler may be 'gay' only *after* he got engaged...

Um, right, Will & Grace. Yeah, banal, not the greatest "gay show" ever (understatement), but I do like seeing shows centred around a one-on-one relationship that isn't monogamous coupledom: maybe progressive there?

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