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Theater Roundtable

 
 
Persephone
21:32 / 15.02.02
First I have to admit that the genesis of this thread was a need to rant that would have belonged in the Conversation. But in the never-ending narrative of P’s quest to make silk into silk purses, I thought that I could make that original impulse into something more edifying.

It’s been commented that there isn’t much talk in this forum about theater, and two floating reasons are that a) not a lot of people care for theater much and b) the way that theater is produced and distributed (i.e., regionally, with limited runs) precludes a little its discussion as a spectacle.

I’ve also been growing aware that some number of Barbelithers actually do theater --i.e., make theater: Whisky Priestess, and wembley I know, and betty woo I think, HunterWolf, the applepicker, and someone in Atlanta whose name escapes me (gridley?) who’s a stage manager. And I was wondering if it might work to start a discussion about theater from the point of view of how it’s made --which I think *is* something that can be shared, and would be interesting to me to share-- versus how it’s seen; but also if we can express something about how we make theater, then we might be able to give others an idea of what to watch for (thus staying within the remit of the Spectacle by my chinny chin chin).

In the spirit of the New Barbelith that’s coming soon, I was envisioning that the posts in this thread could be more lengthy examinations rather than one-off impressions. It could take on the nature of a mass interview... myself I’m a brain-picker extraordinaire on this subject. But anything goes, really. Of course also I’m equally envisioning that this post here may sink into a soft pile of threads, never to be seen again. And really <dryly> what is this post but an attempt to sublimate a bad audition? But eh, dumber things have been done and a lot of them by me.

But I am trying to keep this a conversation starter and not turn into a rant... so, perhaps our panelists would step forward and say a little about what they do and, really, start any subject & see what happen!

(And if this topic bombs, I will at least have the riposte to What is the sound of one hand clapping?)
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
12:47 / 16.02.02
Cool - I'll definitely be in on this one, but if I don't leave now I'll be late for a heap big dramaturgy meeting ... how's that for inspeak?
 
 
Mazarine
22:22 / 17.02.02
I'm in. I've stage mangaged and acted, but mostly I'm into theater history.
 
 
Persephone
00:32 / 18.02.02
Hey there, wembley. Are you a dramaturg? I only have a vague idea what one does; in our company we’re lucky if we get together a director *and* a stage manager.

So you’ve just done a performance of The Bacchae...

<time lapse>

I’m just back from your website, and it all sounds fascinating--particularly the Taiwanese-translated bit. Sounds like you had a lot to do, if you’re who I think you are there. Sounds like you had a great process going there... how long did you all work on that show?

I would love to make a career out of staging the classics. Have you heard of Mary Zimmerman? She started here in Chicago & damn my eyes for never seeing any of her work that was done here, though that’s partly a function of my usual conundrum that when I’m doing a show I don’t have any time to see shows. Her Metamorphoses I think is in New York now, all staged in or around a swimming pool. I may even go to New York, just to see.

What’s the Toronto theater scene like?

Mazarine, what shows have you done? Do you specialize in any particular period of theater history?
 
 
Mazarine
01:43 / 19.02.02
Acted in several obscure plays at school over the years- Midsummer Night's Dream, Savage Love, Impassioned Embraces, Pippin, yadda yadda yadda, mostly character acting. I've stage managed The Importance of Being Ernest.

Most recently, I tech directed a production of The Bacchae and acted in a production of Medea. My focus in theater history is chiefly the Greeks, and I'm pretty hopeless when it comes to any playwright who hasn't been dead for at least a century, though I'm trying to get better. When actually working in theater, as opposed to reading about it, my job is generally to try and convey to the director what aspects of his or her vision are actually possible.
 
 
Persephone
10:12 / 19.02.02
Wait a minute... are you telling me that you specialize in *Greek* drama?

<setting up lab equipment>

Would you mind... there, take up that plug end and plug it into your brain? Won't hurt a bit, it's just me on the other end here... ahhh, now transfer your knowledge thisaway...

quote:my job is generally to try and convey to the director what aspects of his or her vision are actually possible

I hear that. Our company mostly does film-to-play adaptations, and many of the people are not aware how raised on film and TV they are & just expect that you can do the same things on stage as on screen. The last show we did, this actor wanted to do her fight scene "you know, like in Crouching Tiger" and I'm looking at her like hello there's no post-production in theater to erase the wires okay! Plus she was on the zaftig side, you'd be talking *cables* not wires to get her off the ground.
 
 
Mazarine
01:52 / 20.02.02
Good lord yes. I generally work on productions which are unspeakably poor, so anything anyone wants done must be done with nothing. I may actually be trying to acid etch some gobos in my art class to save the department some money.

As for the ancient Greeks, they're my one true theatrical love. I guess their reactions make sense to me, somehow. I'm focused in on tragedy right now, working on a paper on the Oresteia. I had planned to direct a production of Libation Bearers set in New Orleans for my senior project, but then I realized 1. I love writing more, and 2. Why in god's name would I allow my grade to hinge on actors? (No offense to any present, but tell me you don't know some flakey ones- hell, I've been one, I wouldn't trust me...)

Are either of you working on anything right now? What are you dramaturging, Wemb?
 
 
autopilot disengaged
14:42 / 20.02.02
i write plays, if that counts...
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
18:19 / 20.02.02
At the moment I'm dramaturging a small fringe-type piece called "Tuesdays and Sundays." It's set in 1888 in a very small community in PEI, and based on a true crime story, so I've got my work cut out for me.

Dramaturgs have a thwack of different jobs depending on the company and also regionally. Often in europe the dramaturg plays part artistic director, choosing the season. In north america they're more often used to help develop new texts. In this case, because the script is already published, my job is "defender of the text." Not quite as cool as "defender of the universe," but we're getting there. I research questions for the director and actor (what are the first 6 months of pregnancy like? what are the hairstyles of 1888? what did marx have to say about all this? etc.), and in the rehearsal process I collaborate quite a bit with the director and make sure she doesn't lose track of the arc of the play, basically. A lot of the time I'm a big sounding board. Lots of the finished research ends up in the program, if it's a good one.

The champions of dramaturgy are without a doubt Peter Stein's company. Everyone in that company (before it fell apart, as do all such beautiful things) made the same money, did all the research, and attended every rehearsal. If he were to do an African work, he'd drag everyone to Africa for three months just for research. Their productions are as amazing as they are expensive. Often having a good dramaturg around can make a huge artistic difference - and it's a bit of an invisible art. If it's done well, you won't really notice it.

And for more sounding board: the Toronto theatre scene is something with which I have an extreme love-hate relationship. There's plenty of amazing stuff, and even more stinkeroo crap, but the bottom line is the funding is so nonexistent, we're known for The Lion King. The last show I saw that really blew my socks off was an import. Mind you, I've been too busy to see a lot of stuff lately. Speaking of busy, I'm off to rehearsal before my director starts thinking I'm dead.
 
 
Persephone
22:26 / 21.02.02
Fi-ii-iiinally have some time to write this post... was writing cover letters all day today as I must get a job, for theater does not pay nor do I think I would want it to...

At present I am cooling my heels theaterwise, which is usual for this time of year --for the past three years we’ve done a fall show & we have an annual holiday show, so everyone’s pretty fried and sick of each other by New Year’s Day-- but then again last year was *such* a chamber of horrors, the company’s really in critical condition this time... what I’m mainly doing is presiding over the split, so wembley’s comment

quote:it fell apart, as do all such beautiful things

fairly hits home to me. Nevermind. It has to be done. It happens all the time. And last night we got the annual phonecall to tech our friend’s drag pageant (I do lights, Husband does sound), which feels like things going a little back to normal.

Well anyway, the Greeks. I’d be interested in reading your paper, Mazarine, if you feel like sharing it. I think I like the classics because they seem... uhhhhh, irreducible? Essential? I think I had better shut up now and read or see more Greek plays. I think it might say something that the two kinds of plays that I think are most worth doing are the classics and new works, which is what our company does. Did. Will do again. Because they’re on the edges, maybe, of the known world of created things? There’s a feeling of fighting-for-your-life in them, to me.

Hey there, autopilot... this is a thread about making theater, so writing plays *of course* counts. If I recall correctly, you are a Beckett fan? Is your work of a Beckett nature? Beckett also raises an interesting question that’s worth some discussion id est how horribly specific he is about how his work has to be produced. Well I don’t know, is there anything to say about that. Even in the most collaborative of arts there’s going to be one guy who has the capacity of envisioning the whole thing & more power to him. The trouble is with writers who think they’re Beckett, but what we’re talking about here is an adaptation of Valley of the Dolls or Johnny Guitar & conceivably they could lighten up.

Question for wembley:

quote:in the rehearsal process I collaborate quite a bit with the director and make sure she doesn't lose track of the arc of the play, basically

Honestly we don’t use a dramaturg because we don’t have enough bodies --as it is, as the producer I’m generally filling all the jobs that weren’t able to find people for-- but keeping track of the arc of the play is pretty emphatically the director’s job in our productions. But as you say different companies, different jobs; that’s plain. I was wondering, though, in your case what the director is doing... I’m thinking, staging and working with the actors? That actually would be a great setup. Is that what it is?
 
  
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