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Grendel?

 
 
Trijhaos
15:54 / 20.03.02
I just finished reading Grendel: War Child and thought it was pretty interesting.

Is the rest of the Grendel stuff worth searching for?
 
 
Robot Man Reformed
15:58 / 20.03.02
Yes.

One of the minis after War Child are golden. Unfortunately, I can't presently recall the subtitle but it was done by two serbs - or possibly croats.

Nice one.
 
 
kid coagulant
16:22 / 20.03.02
Darko Macan and Edvin Biukovic, 'Grendel Tales'. Great story/art.
http://www.controlledfury.com/edvin/main.htm
 
 
bio k9
17:34 / 23.03.02
Some of the early Comico Grendel stuff has been reprinted by DarkHorse. Its ok, not great. Macan/Biukovic did two Grendel Tales series, a two-parter and a four-parter. They were collected in a single trade that is, in my opinion, the best Grendel story ever.
 
 
grant
16:12 / 25.03.02
I loved the original Comico run - came out in the mid-80s, and the Pander Bros version of Christine Spar-as-Nagel-pinup was really fun. Reread them a couple years ago, and they hold up.
The Eppy Thatcher - Grendel vs. Pope of America - storyline is also way fun.
 
 
gridley
16:51 / 25.03.02
The now impossible to get Batman-Grendel two issue teamup was unspeakably fantastic. a little bit of strangers in paradise, a little bit of batman, a little bit of grendel. great parallels. nice writing and art.

well, issue one was all that anyway. issue 2 I've been unable to get....
 
 
Horatio Hellpop
23:14 / 04.02.04
Batman/Grendel is a great Grendel story but a completely ordinary Batman story (in light of all the much more interesting work that's been done with the character). the Grendel stories focussing on Hunter Rose are my favourites. these include the first Grendel stories (best represented in Devil by the Deed), Grendel 16-19 (collected in various forms, i think), the afore-mentioned Batman/Grendel crossover, and the Black, White & Red / Red, White, & Black mini-series which i just bought the other day and enjoyed tremendously. in BWR/RWB there are about 40 stories, all by different, sometimes unlikely, artists (to varying degrees of success, especially in the use of the red coloring; some artists worked with very clear red elements in mind, others without regard where the red was used to much less effect). but i really love it, all the narrative experiments, all the subtle digressions from the central hunter rose myth. the last story, beautifully illustrated by michael zulli, shows the last moments of hunter rose with argent and is one of the few comic stories to move me in recent memory (though not everyone may have sympathy for the will to power of the bored elitist).
 
 
Simplist
23:49 / 04.02.04
Grendel Cycle is probably the best place to start if you're wondering what to read next. It contains the complete text of Devil by the Deed, and goes on to summarize all the various phases and characters of the Grendel saga.
 
 
fluid_state
15:55 / 05.02.04
I'd highly reccommend Grendel: Four Devils, One Hell. You can find a trade, reprinted from Grendel Tales. Hard-boiled detective story in the bayou. Fine stuff, great art.
 
 
dlotemp
23:10 / 05.02.04
I'd also like to chirp in that the Eppy Thatcher Grendel vs. the Pope of America story from Comico was excellent. You'll learn to fear bananas.

But seriously, it was an ambitious story that oscillated between political drama and schizo fantasy. It reminded me of DUNE, in the best sense with its social observations and epic scope. Well done.
 
 
mario94606
23:37 / 10.02.04
Something you should read that had me hooked from the get go was "Devil by the Deed" the story telling and visual art was intreging. This is a great read.
 
 
akira
18:13 / 14.02.04
Grendel & Batman II

http://www4.tfaw.com/comics/profile.html?cart=4045729898029132&db=C&sku=94801&SSTRING=Grendel&SCAT=TITLE&D=20&SHW=all&GEN=ALL&AVA=now&SRT=DATE&STARTAT=1&V=G
 
 
Horatio Hellpop
22:17 / 15.02.04
although i haven't read it for a while, i remember finding grendel/batman 2 pretty diappointing. for one thing, grendel prime is not as engaging to me as hunter rose. for another, i find matt wagner's artwork increasingly less attractive as his career progresses. it's not that he's gotten worse, it's just that...well, it happens with a lot of talented artists, they find a cartooning style that they feel comfortable with and i find, especially with really simple drawing, the appeal becomes kind of hit or miss. i really like jeff smith's art on bone which is really simple but i can't stand chester brown. even artists i revere like bill sienkiewicz also have "cartoony" styles which i don't find particularly compelling. as frank miller's art becomes increasingly self-referential (by which i mean that he draws characters in poses and using techniques that have a basis in the already stylized reality of his previous efforts which in the past at least referred more to reality. look at the physical proportions of the characters in his recent work, like dk2 or any of the sin city books he's done recently: huge hands and feet, skinny little bodies, women's anatomy becoming bizarre in a way that makes jim lee's art suddenly a paragon of naturalistic posture, as opposed to say, dark knight returns where his characters are grotesque but less cartoony). anyway, something about matt wagner's style doesn't do it for me anymore. i loved the original mage series but not mage ii. his writing gets better (especially in sandman mystery theater and i'd have to read all of grendel in sequence which i don't think i've ever done to see if it flows as well, but the concept is so strong... like david mack with kabuki, matt wagner's created a fantastic vehicle/framework for telling basically any kind of story he wants to tell) but his line quality... maybe that's what it is. something that cartoony jeff smith or cameron stewart have is a very attractive quality to their lines. maybe it's the brush... also i don't think matt wagner writes batman particularly well. in the past he's created a good visual atmosphere (very good design sense, that matt wagner has) for gotham and the batworld (also in the legends of the dark knight story: faces) but...i forget what i was saying. his batman stories just seem too run of the mill...without the moral ambivalence that makes wesley dodds or hunter rose interesting. actually, i'd be interested to know who does write batman well. frank miller played the one note really well, grant morrison sort of avoided him in arkham asylum, alan moore never really tackled it, ed brubaker in catwoman (i just bought issue 10), sort of ignores that aside from being a supporting character he's still, y'know, BATMAN (and best played, as he has been post-dark knight returns and probably before although i'm not as familiar, with a little pathos) even though they all wrote good stories in the batman universe. what does this have to do with grendel? not terribly much. matt wagner's art disappointed me in g/b 2.
 
  
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