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kid coagulant
13:09 / 13.03.02
Does anyone remember this Bill Willingham series from the mid-1980's to early 1990's? Started rereading it last night, and I was surprised at how good it still is. Deals w/ these 4 people who die and come back w/ 'elemental' powers (earth, fire, air, water) to fight this evil force (this guy named Saker who died and came back himself a couple of thousand years ago, this team of bad guys he's put together called the Destroyers, and this thing called the shadowspear, which is kind of like the hellmouth from 'Buffy' but on a global scale).

Deals w/ sex, death, fame, relationships, homosexuality, general weirdness, etc. It predates 'the Authority' by 10 years or so, and covers very similar ground. It would also be surprising if Peter Milligan and Mike Allred didn't use it as a reference point for their current 'x-force' run. I'd call it the first adult American superhero comic, and one that has held up pretty well over time.

Issue #12, ‘halflife’, where Tommy/Monolith is in a coma and Saker shows him the future, is one of my favorite comicbook stories of all time. The bit when Saker talks about how he's still in hell evangelizing the demons to his cause sent chills up my spine, and that glimpse into the deep future and what they would all become has probably played as big a role on my fiction as anything else. Really good stuff.

Published by Comico (of Matt Wagner’s ‘Mage’ and ‘Grendel’ fame), don’t think it’s ever been collected in trade paperback form, but if you can find any back issues (particularly the ones drawn by Willingham) it will be worth your time.
 
 
Traz
11:45 / 14.03.02
Oh, fuck yeah. Elementals addict speaking. The series had its flaws -- Willingham's reach exceeded his grasp -- but the characters were fantastic, and most of the plots were equally entertaining.

In addition to Monolith's nightmare, my personal faves from the series include:

Vortex taking lessons from Christopher Reeve's acting.

Fathom screaming at Ratman, "I was only using you to escape, you moron! I can't believe I'm having lunch with someone this stupid!"

Monolith shouting, "As of this moment, we stop acting like we're in some stupid comic book!"

And, of course, everything about Morningstar's would-be husband, Eric Chessman.
 
 
troy
14:38 / 14.03.02
Yep, I remember the Elementals with great fondness. Definitely a comic that was ahead of its time. I first heard about it in Amazing Heroes, and promptly got hooked.

Anyone who's enjoying The Authority or X-Force now should hunt around for Elementals back-issues.

By the way, I had the good fortune of meeting Bill Willingham and Jack Herman at a local con years ago. Very funny guys.
 
 
Traz
21:03 / 15.03.02
According to Bill Willingham's Home Page, here's what happened to the Elementals:

quote:Will You Ever Do Anything On The Elementals Again?

Probably not. When the publisher, Comico, self-destructed in the late Eighties, I felt it was a good time to leave the Elementals and go on to other things. So I sold all rights to the Elementals, permanently, to the new owner of the supposedly resurrected Comico. Little did I know at the time that the new owner would never follow through on any of his announced plans for the series, even though - as part of the conditions of the sale - I produced an exhaustive bible on how to continue the series to its logical conclusion. This document, filling two of the largest three-ring binders made, was very probably the largest, most complex series bible ever produced for a single comic-book title. The last time I had any occasion to visit the Comico offices, one of the volumes of the series bible was being used (very effectively I have to admit) as a doorstop. Since then, the new owner of Comico was rather resolute in his efforts to drive the once popular series into the ground.

However, all is not doom and gloom. Not entirely anyway. In the last year or so, finding myself nostalgic for the old Elementals days I began to wonder what it would have been like to have been able to finish the series. Almost from the beginning (from issue #12 to be exact) I had a definite conclusion to the Elementals story in mind. I was as disappointed as anyone that the Elementals would likely never be completed. Since working on the original series was no longer an option, I did the next best thing. I created an entirely new superhero series, with entirely new characters, and immediately placed those characters in a situation very similar to what I had planned to do with the Elementals. Then I wrote the conclusion to the story. It's not exactly what I originally intended (the characters in the new series are different enough not to have direct equivalents among the characters in the Elementals), but it's close. And I also think it's a darn good story in its own right.

The name of the new series is PANTHEON. It's twelve issues long, with a one-issue epilogue. As of this writing, Issue #2 is on the stands and the third issue is about to be released. I wrote it, Mike Leeke (my old partner in crime in the Elementals days) is penciling it, and the publisher, Bill Williams is inking it. And yes, before you ask, I'm confident I'll be able to complete my part of this new series because all twelve issues of it (thirteen if you count the epilogue) were written before the first issue appeared. Pantheon will come to its conclusion, provided enough of you keep buying it so Mr. Williams can keep publishing it.


 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
13:43 / 17.03.02
I have a complete run of the first two series of The Elementals, and to be honest, I picked it up becuase it spun out of the role playing game I was playing at the time.

I don't think Willingham's reach exceeded his grasp so much as he just couldn't maintain the book with the shifting comic book market. It would go months without coming out, have issues printed out of order, go through creative team changes, and then long stories would bog down endlessly.

Willingham seems to have a short attention span with his books...there was Coventry which was HUGELY hyped, and then sputtered two issues out before he lost interest...his new DC series looks insteresting, but how long before he gives up on that mid-story as well?

As for the new book that "wraps up" the Elementals....sadly, I've been burned too many times with half-done stories and will just wait for a trade paperback when it's all done. IF it gets all done.
 
 
kid coagulant
14:14 / 18.03.02
That 'Pantheon' thing was from a couple of years ago, right? Totally forgot about it. Did anybody pick any issues up? Were any published?

And that cover of Morningstar about to kill herself is from the 5th or 6th issue of Willingham's 2nd 'elementals' series, published in the early-ish 1990's. She's distraught because she just found out that her lover is really this shapeshifter named Shapeshifter who's her sworn enemy. Or something like that. Then she goes and hooks up w/ a teenage wizard. Fun stuff.

Also, going through the back issues, it looks like there was a trade paperback of his early issues, called 'New World Order' I think.

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Dan Fish - @Fish1k
17:13 / 18.03.02
Does anyone know if the introductory backup story from the Texas Comics Justice machine annual is available anywhere online?

Danny

Comics 4 sale @ www.fish1000.freeserve.co.uk
 
  
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