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Seth - It's A Good Life, If You Don't Weaken

 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:28 / 21.02.02
Not to sound hyperbolic, but It's A Good Life, If You Don't Weaken by Seth is likely one of the finest comics that I have ever read.

It has a quiet, graceful quality that I can't quite describe in words - every aspect of its presentation, from the beautiful, understated cartooning to the dialogue to the narrative flow of the story broken down into six chapters reveals Seth to be a true master of the form.

The story is about Seth's decade-long search for the art and history of a painfully obscure cartoonist from the 50s named Kalo. I know that it sounds like awfully dull subject matter to base a full-length work, but it is only the narrative structure upon which Seth ponders his life, his inability to cope with other people, his love of the old and disdain for the new, and his personal relationship to the history of cartooning.

There are several bits of the story, particularly when Seth speaks of his lovelife and his relationships with others when I feel a strong sense of relation to what he is writing, and I can certainly connect with people who are prone to obsessing over obscurities to the point of excluding regular life.

I highly recommend this book to anyone who is looking for comics of the highest caliber of quality - It's A Good Life... has already become a deeply personal favorite of mine.

...and now I must find every issue of Palookaville featuring his current Clyde Fans story...

[ 21-02-2002: Message edited by: Flux = Triangle Body Mode ]
 
 
videodrome
20:44 / 21.02.02
Did you just read this for the first time, Flux?

I actually glommed onto Seth back when he was drawing <cough!> the second Mr X series, late 80's, as well as through his appearances in Chester Brown's Yummy Fur. I'll go ahead and throw out a reccommendation for that material as well. Brown's work is every bit as good as Seth's, with I Never Liked You and some of the stories in The Little Man portraying the same feelings from a different perspective. Brown is less bound to the past than Seth is, so the contrasts between similar explorations are interesting.

Will also plug, as you mentioned, the current Clyde Fans story, which has even more promise than Good Life, as well as Brown's current Louis Riel, which should be winding up fairly soon.

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Matthew Fluxington
09:02 / 22.02.02
Yes, I just bought it, and read it very quickly, twice since yesterday already. I had read a few Seth shorts here and there, but this is the first major piece of his that I have read. I'm very excited about finding more of his work, and I'm actually planning on going on through the rest of the D&Q roster, all of the folks who I don't know much of just yet. Chester Brown is next on my list - am I right in assuming that he's Chet in It's A Good Life...?

Does anyone in Barbeland have any thoughts on James Sturm, Dylan Horrocks, or Archer Prewitt's work, incidentally?

I know Mr. Prewitt's music...

I am so glad that someone responded in this thread - I was really fearing that this would be something people would pass by in the ocean of X we've got going on here lately...
 
 
videodrome
09:24 / 22.02.02
Yeah, that is Chester Brown in Seth's book. They're good friends, and pop up in each other's work often. Well, less so now that neither is doing strictly autobio anymore...

Absolutely get Hicksville by Dylan Horrocks. (Oringinally serialized in Pickle, with additional material in the trade.) It's a great take on comics as a whole, but actually told with the framework of a compelling narrative, unlike a lot of the other self-referential stuff out there. He puts together a whole environment in a very small space, really cutting to the meat of things while at the same time achieving a languid pace with the story. He's got a blocky, initally off-putting style that really grew on me, primarily through his great ability to tell a story. He's got a new thing going now - Atlas, I think it's called. One issue out so far and quite promising. I'm really looking forward to more of it.

Sturm I like as well. There's info on The Golem's Mighty Swing here. He came to my attention with The Cereal Killings, which was promising but not spectacular. Better was The Revival which actually bears a great resemblance to Chet Brown's current book. Get that one and then Golem. Info here.

I'm not much of a fan of Prewitt. Sof' Boy is cute, but not much more than that. A lot of what Prewitt gets at with his stuff is done a lot better in Steven and in Tony Millionaire's Maakies.

Much more worth your time is Jon Lewis' work, True Swamp, which is just that - True - and goddamned funny to boot. Imagine a lighthearted Bukowski writing dialogue for swamp creatures and you begin to see. But no funny animals here, this is hilarious and not at all cute. Don't be swayed by the early, very sketchy art - very much like Eddie Campbell he warms up quickly.

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Matthew Fluxington
09:31 / 22.02.02
Ah, jumped the gun a bit - I just made an order with Drawn & Quarterly, I got Hundreds of Feet Below Daylight by Sturm, because of all the descriptions, that one appealed to me the most. I will see if I can The Revival sometime in the next week or two, though.

I also went for I Never Liked You by Brown, Clyde Fans pt. 1, and an issue of Nowhere by Debbie Dreschler.

And now, I am broke for a while. I'm a junkie, and I need help.
 
 
matsya
09:31 / 22.02.02
I'm a bit of a fan of Horrocks - found a bunch of back issues of Pickle year before last, only to find to my horror that the story wasn't finished in pickle. still yet to pick up the trade of hicksville, but the episodes I own and have read have a read feel of... it's hard to articulate, but I think they're quite ambitious in terms of the form of comics, and I think they succeed in their ambition quite well.

horrocks' new series thru D&Q is Atlas, which continues on from where Hicksville left off, exploring more of the concepts put forward there, and continuing to play with false histories and such.

As for Seth, I'm supposed to be writing a review of It's a good Life, and I agree that it's a great story. It's not as often as I'd like that I'm reminded of writers outside the comics field by writers within the comics field, but It's a Good Life did that for me easily. I'm a writer by trade, and what I look for in comics is good writing. I think that comics is a medium mostly populated by artists who write, or who become writers in the process of making comics. Because of that, it's rare to find a comic creator whose writing skills are as strong as those of writers outside comics. At least that's what I think. But Horrocks and Seth are definitely people who have what it takes to write well.

not sure where I'm going with this... at the moment I'm avoiding writing myself, so I'm tending to babble a bit here. love that procrastination. hee.

m.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
09:31 / 22.02.02
I love this book as well, but was a bit upset when I found out that it was all fiction. Seth has a wonderfully understated illusatration style that reminds me of old New Yorker cartoons, and I didn't think he needed to lie to us int he comic about how it was a true story. Fiction IS OK...


He's another cartoonist I can't buy the regular comics of tho. I was very upset when Chester Borwn stopped in his last work without even coming close to ending it. Made me feel like I'd invested a lot fo time and money into something that was like the first draft of a failed novel, so now I only buy his collections as well.
 
 
Steve Block
17:42 / 04.04.02
Okay, I just picked up It's a Good Life, Is this Claude Fans thing going to be collected, or what issues is it in of Palookaville?
 
 
videodrome
18:16 / 04.04.02
Clyde Fans ain't done yet (I don't think...ahem) but you can bet it will be collected, in a package similar to It's A Good Life.... We just don't know when. I'm just waiting for the collection, though I desperately want to read it.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:09 / 04.04.02
Clyde Fans is going to take a while to be completed, but they are putting the story out in three volumes of about 70 pages each - the first volume is out, I have it. It's really nice and pretty, but for some reason, I just haven't gotten around to actually reading it yet. Very strange considering how much I love It's A Good Life...

Once the entire series is finished, all three volumes will exist separately, and then later the whole thing will be collected as a hardcover or somethign...
 
 
Steve Block
04:29 / 05.04.02
Like solitire Rose I felt a bit gypped on finding out it wasn't true. Does anyone know why Seth presented it as fact rather than as fiction, or is that a flaw on the reader's behalf? I'm wondering what it was that made me think it may have been true. Did Seth play on the autobiographical conventions to an extent that it came across as real. Was it a warning not to believe autobiographical material too much? Any other thoughts?
 
 
moriarty
05:54 / 07.08.03
The National post is running a series of work diaries by prominent Canadian artists. Seth kicks things off Here and here.

I've only flipped through it so far, but I really have to pick up vernacular drawings, his sketchbook collection. I opened it up randomly and it fell on a sketch of an old train shack from my hometown, and I can't stop thinking about that.
 
 
moriarty
16:46 / 07.08.03
The Beguiling, Chester Brown, Chris Ware and The Northern Matchbook Co.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
21:24 / 02.02.04
I really hadn't intended to post about this, in fact I haven't even read the book yet. I got it for Christmas and I've been saving it - something which is wholly odd for me to do.

But I've been flicking through it more and more, and getting drawn to read it (I'm holding off for my own good) it's just such a thing of beauty!

It's just kind of like... a nonchalant prettiness and simple quality about the whole thing. Every brush stroke is like some unfathomable art to me, and those cute little letters! And the colour too, is great. There just seems to be so much effort gone in to every little thing, every little touch, the cartoons as the end, the photos, the presentation. It's such a nice little package.*

And then there's little snippets I've read, with Chester Brown and his cat which make me simultaneously adore and hate him. Well, only because I wanted to do something cute with my cat in a comic...

I'm going to read this soon, and I imagine I will love it. I'll be back.

*For comic art know-y people. His letters, are they done with a brush? And the white on black letters? Please tell me he did that using a machine. Please.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:55 / 02.02.04
I am quite sure that Seth hand-letters everything with his brush, Suede. For one, it looks that way. Second, he's a bit of a luddite, so I doubt he's using a computer.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
23:12 / 02.02.04
I just can't see how you'd letter in white that well!

I'm considering reading this right now, I'm not sure I can hold off anymore. Hopefully this will just give the spurt I need to finish my own comic, rather than send me off in a million directions...
 
 
houdini
14:06 / 03.02.04

I love Seth. First read 'It's A Good Life ...' back when I was a Juniour in college. I was staying on a couch in a friend's freezing cold, damp-sodden apartment in a little town outside of Durham, waiting for term to start and at night I'd stay up and chain smoke and read indy comics.

That book is an elegant work of genius. I don't really have any better critical vocabulary to bring to bear on it.

For those who like the autobio crossover factor it's also worth checking out recent (by which I mean "most recently published" rather than "published in the last 2 years") issues of Joe Matt's Peepshow. The last story was basically recounting a trip he, Seth and Chester make to a diner. It's pretty funny stuff. Matt makes great comedy out of his own sleazeball lifestyle and somehow manages to be touching, even when he's talking about his prissy, anal retentive approach to pornography.

Chester Brown is a total genius. I've got all of the trades and love them. 'I Never Liked You' is probably his best major work in trade. It's really touching and simple and it gets right to the heart of being a kid and feeling things that can't be put into words.

'The Playboy' is a look at pornography and masturbation. Not in the self-flagellating (pun intended) way that Joe Matt obsesses over it, but in a more honest, level tone. It's pretty sad stuff but it's really well done.

And then there's 'Ed The Happy Clown'. This book has dead clowns, demon babies, vampires, vampire hunters, crazed old ladies, mutated rats, gay midgets from a parallel dimension, a man who can't stop pooping, adventures in science, disembodied hands and a chap who wakes up with the (miniature but still animate) head of Ronald Reagan on the end of his penis. Recommended.

Just bought 'Louis Riel' in HC so I can't comment yet. And AFAIK 'Underwater' hasn't been collected yet. 'The Little Man' is short stories and has more of a B-sides and outtakes feel to it. It's pretty good, I guess.
 
 
MojoJojo
17:07 / 06.02.04
Good timing. There'll be an old Seth (with Joe Matt) interview airing on CBC radio 2 next tuesday.

Along with the Seth feature, they'll air interviews with Art Spiegelman, Chris Ware, and Jaime Hernandez.

You can listen to them online by clicking on the cbc icon to the left.
 
 
MojoJojo
18:34 / 06.02.04
Sorry...

http://www.bravenewwaves.ca/schedule/index.shtml
 
  
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