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The Establishment - Referencewatch #5

 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
22:20 / 07.02.02
Ok, so...

P.1 The Golden are the Champions, crossed with the Midwich Cuckoos. Nice.

Not sure about Mr. Pharmacist - looks like he should be a Dr. Who villain. Especially as he has a dalek head in his bedroom.

Thingy and Truelove are trickier - I keep seeing them as a queer Regan and Carter but that probably isn't right.

Equus and Scarlett are Steed and Mrs Peel. Natch.

pp.2-3 Drake is most immediately John Drake from Danger Man, and thus also The Prisoner. However, his observation setup is reminiscent of the observation dome in the Village. There's something about the way he's drawn that reminds me of somebody else, but that could just be because Adlard draws him like Armitage but thinner. Possibly a thin Rupert Giles...

p.4 The nearby presence of the BA London Eye means that Mags' pad is probably in one of the brutalist 60s low-rises around Waterloo, although this is not particularly relevant. Just a bit of local colour...

p.6 Venus. Blindingly obvious - the first planet explored by a starving Earth in the Frank Hampson Dan Dare.

pp7-8. Sir James Hacker, from "Yes, Minister".

Drake's rank is "Commander", as is James Bond's.

p12 (I think) - the fetish tables were designed by a British artist called (I think) Alan Jones.

p.15. Damn this is familiar. Anyone?

p.16. The gun used by the assassin is one of the smart weapons from the Nevada garden (Stormwatch)

p.18. Houses of Parliament, obviously.

Final page - Oh, come on. Dan Dare's personal ship was called "Anastasia", btw.

Anyone else? There's something endlessly trainspotterish about this thing.

The Don't Panic mug is too obvious to comment.
 
 
sleazenation
07:23 / 08.02.02
OH come on The scarf, the dalek head - the soddong name for chrissake The Pharmasist IS the Doctor at the height of his Tom Bakerish madness...

The Jim Haker Yes minister thing is even more interesting than it first appears. Hacker was the idealistic MP (later PM) whose niaevity was constantly exposed and exploited by the career civil servent Sir Humphry. Here we see Hacker grown old and cynical moved away from the false power of elected office and to the one place he saw things could actually be acomplished - the shadowy corridors of whitehall...

Either that or It was thought that shoving sir humphry there might be more of a rip of than homage so they just swaped names...
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
07:34 / 08.02.02
quote:Originally posted by sleazenation:
OH come on The scarf, the dalek head - the soddong name for chrissake The Pharmasist IS the Doctor at the height of his Tom Bakerish madness...



That's *Mister* Pharmacist, if you please. But you are of course entirely correct.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:55 / 08.02.02
One of the reasons I think the Establishment works is that very few characters have only one obscure British pop/sci-fi culture point of reference - they tend to be amalgamations. Coupla things:

Bulman and Truelove aren't so much a queer Regan and Carter as a queer Randal and Hopkirk (Deceased). In the original interviews about the comic before issue 1 came out, Ian Edginton explained that Truelove (gay) occasionally possesses Bulman (straight, homophobic), in order to have sex, amongst other things - this is partly why Bulman spends half his time drinking himself into oblivion. (Also, Truelove's super-ghost condition is the result of Constantine-analogue Jack Carter owing him a favour.) One of the odd things about the way The Establishment's been handled so far though is that we've never had this fully explained, and now Truelove is alive again - which makes you wonder what the point of having the pair of them in the team is, now, unless they have talents we don't know about.

And Rafe Equus is Steed, but he's only the Ralph Fiennes version of Steed, and I'm sure he's meant to be a couple of other people as well (he's descended from an attempt to breed a race of Aryan superhuman English gents, or something).

More thoughts when I've gone back and looked at the last issue again. Incidentally, if anyone has a copy of #1 they don't want, I'd be up for swopsies...

[ 08-02-2002: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
sleazenation
08:15 / 08.02.02
Yes I'm in the same position as flyboy when it comes to issue one... a trip to some comic marts for me then...
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
08:22 / 08.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:
Bulman and Truelove aren't so much a queer Regan and Carter as a queer Randal and Hopkirk (Deceased).


OK, now that was fucking obvious. It even *scans* the same.

But I agree, the fuzzy edges of the characters - the way they elide lots of different elements) saves the Establishment from just being a loving pastiche or thinly-veiled fanfic...
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
08:22 / 08.02.02
Fly: where are these interviews? They sound like a mine of useless but vital information...
 
 
sleazenation
08:23 / 09.02.02
Oh and Drake's conversation oon the phone

"yes, yes, yes minister" the most obvious yes minister reference in the book...

so, who is mag's father? a Hong kong policeman...[/LIST]null
 
 
Mister Remington Finn
12:57 / 09.02.02
a small thing, but on page 2-3 Drake is holding a mug with 'Don´t panic' on it wich is from and on The Hitchhiker´s Guide to the Galaxy.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:24 / 09.02.02
quote:Originally posted by The Haus of TS Eliot Knitwear Co.:
The Don't Panic mug is too obvious to comment.


Evidently not.

Honestly, do people even read *any* of a thread before replying to it these days?
 
 
rexpop
03:22 / 12.02.02
quote:Originally posted by sleazenation:
Oh and Drake's conversation oon the phone

"yes, yes, yes minister" the most obvious yes minister reference in the book...

so, who is mag's father? a Hong kong policeman...


Maybe the ghost cop from issue 3 of Planetary ?.
 
 
Mister Remington Finn
17:14 / 12.02.02
Mister Remington Finn
Master of Stating the Obvious

if you´re looking for me I´m in my box in the cellar wearing The Hubcap of Shame
 
 
invisible_al
18:07 / 12.02.02
Just thought of something that hasn't been mentioned already. The Establishment's base, reminds me a lot of the Doctor Who story Castrovalva (sp?) and has a general Tardis vibe to it.

Equus? He's the bloke in the green waistcoat in issue #4? Has he actually done anything interesting yet? Everyone else has.

Btw The Pharmacist also appears to be Inspector Gadget, complete with helecopter blades hidden in his head. And the Chinese Cop is probably Jackie Chan :-)
 
 
sleazenation
18:21 / 12.02.02
I was wondering what the reference for nowhere was, and it would certainly fit the dimensionally transcendental nature of the tardis...

As for Mr Pharmacist being in some way linked to inspector gadget-- chrst i hope not.
 
  
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