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Comics Criticism

 
 
moriarty
18:20 / 03.02.02
It has been mentioned in numerous threads that comics readers are too easily pleased. I completely disagree. In almost all mediums there is a mass appeal audience and a niche audience. Just because Danielle Steele sells in the millions does not mean that there are not people who have a critical eye for fiction. Likewise, listening in on a discussion about the relative merits of the Hulk is more like joining an Oprah book club. It's not representative of all readers, or even the full scope of interests for those readers who do indulge in the topic.

For example, in the Film Forum you'll find numerous references to "low brow" films. Just a gander at the Top 5 thread shows that not everyone's tastes are high brow. This shouldn't be construed as my being elitist. Just because I can appreciate the humour of Ski School doesn't mean that I can't enjoy the works of Orson Welles. Likewise, I can talk about Alpha Flight in one thread, and try to start something about Gasoline Alley in another.

Finding good critical writing on any artform takes some digging. I have a critical biography of Little Orphan Annie and her creator Harold Gray, as well as a magazine that has numerous essays on the political slant of the strip. And that's just one strip. The Comics Journal, despite it's faults, is crammed with critical and investigative reporting. Complaining about a lack of deep comic related thought is more likely due to the inability or unwillingness of the person to seek it out.

So far as the lack of meaningful talk in this forum, and the apparent dearth of discussion pertaining to non-superhero comics, I think that has more to do with the amount of comics we read which we have in common. Like Flux said in the Policy, I too have been tempted to include topics on comics not normally discussed here, yet whenever I've tried, they've gone largely ignored. The death of cartooning great Hank Ketcham goes without one response, but a thread consisting of three preview pages of New X-Men art often goes into two or three pages. This isn't necessarily a complaint. It's just an observation. On another site I visit, the same two topics had an inverse amount of posts. I'm sure Flux would love to talk about Drawn and Quarterly's output, but only the two of us, and maybe one or two more people, would even respond. I'm currently involved in four different comic message boards, each responsive to different topics according to my interest. Add to that the fact that some topics of conversation aren't actually readily available to all people, and that most everybody have to be choosy about how they spend their money on entertainment, and I can see why a limited release film like Ghost World didn't get the conversation that some people wanted.

Myself, I prefer to talk about general, theoretical topics in the comics forum, anyways. That way the indy kids and the mainstream kids (and the kids who liek both) can all play together.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:02 / 03.02.02
I would like to elect Moriarty as the mayor of Barbecomicsville.

, I think that has more to do with the amount of comics we read which we have in common.

I think this explains a lot of the tendencies and trends on every forum on Barbelith.

I think one thing that makes talking about more obscure artists and works in the Spectacle difficult is trying to get a feel for what people are familiar with - especially in the music forum, it's hard for me to figure out whether or not I'm the only guy here who would like to talk about Jandek's discography or something. I don't want to just talk to myself...

Also, a lot of the time with the more obscure things that I like, I feel like I'm just advertising their work, like I'm being an advocate rather than a critic, and I'm not sure how I'd want other people to react other than maybe persuading them to listen/read/see something and then talk about it at a later date...

About criticism in the comics industry:

I know that the poor standard of what passes for journalism, criticism and discussion in a great many publications, websites, and forums about comics (specifically superhero comics) is enough to give the perception that it's all mindless... That, coupled with the fact that the better comics writing is fairly obscure and/or poorly distributed gives an illusion that thoughtful writing about comics is more rare than it really is.

I think that maybe we can even help ourselves by namechecking other quality forums, writers, and publications that a lot of us aren't aware of here on Barbelith. It seems that getting the word out is a pretty good place to start. For example, I don't really know of any forums about comics that exist online that are comparable or better than this one, as unlikely as that seems. Lord, I would really hate to think we're at the top of the ladder here, and the next rung down is the Warren Ellis Forum...
 
 
sleazenation
07:50 / 05.02.02
So, the solution...

We actually start writing in more detail about comics - Flyboy's Authority article is an example of this I have a few things lying about If people are interested (a kind of introductory article on Jason Lutes Fantastic comic, Berlin).
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
07:50 / 05.02.02

We actually start writing in more detail about comics - If people are interested (a kind of introductory article on Jason Lutes Fantastic comic, Berlin).
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I'm interested, particularly since I haven't gotten around to reading that just yet.

You're right. We should take this into our own hands - we've the webzine, we should make more use of it.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:15 / 05.02.02
Well I'm off to a comic book workshop today and for the next 3 tuesdays. Discussion, development, publishing etc. Organised by a young chap doing an Mphil on Comic book Aesthetics (bit general, no?) at the Glasgow School of Art.

I shall keep you informed (in another thread if I can be arsed)
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
11:25 / 05.02.02
I don't read comics with the same critical eye I turn on movies or TV, simply because comics are a more nostalgic purchase for me. I LOVE DC's Archives, and the stroies are massive fun, but I don't do what most aging fan-boys do by saying, "These comics are so much better than the shite they put out now."

Fuck that. The old Golden Age Green Lantern stories are goofy, poorly put together with sometimes awkward art and painful lettering. And I love them to death. Same with the AntMan stoires Marvel is reprinting, or when Kurt Busiek does one of his 70's love-fest comics.

I also looks at other comics with a much more critical eye...The Crusades is a brilliant book that is getting bogged down because the author doesn'twant to move the story forward very fast, making it a artistic failure in my mind, despite being head and shoulders above other books I read and enjoy. The new Chris Ware series in Acme will be beautiful to look at, but I am tired of Fantagraphic comics about comics fans being pathetic losers...
 
 
Mikaël
21:17 / 05.02.02
quote:Originally posted by sleazenation:

Flyboy's Authority article


Where?
It's a futur article for the Webzine? So, when?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:33 / 05.02.02
You can find what there is of it so far in this thread. I'm waiting for Millar's run on the book to finish before I finish the article, which is one of the reasons it's been delayed so long. It will probably end up being in two parts, though, so conceivably I could submit what's there (or some of it) to Tom now (except that there's a backlog of zine articles...).
 
 
Mikaël
03:41 / 07.02.02
Thx!
 
 
Sandfarmer
04:34 / 07.02.02
As a sometimes-comics critic, I feel safe in saying that a big part of the problem with articles in the comics industry is that everyone is so scared to death of the industry going to ruins that no one wants to talk about the bad comics. Not that critics are lying and saying crap is good, its just that they (myself included) focus on the good stuff. For example, I've yet to see one review with the balls to point out how DK2 is totaly phoned in shit. There are a lot of poeple out there buying a lot of garbage but not many zines or publications are willing to point out the garbage.
 
  
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