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Recommended Reading for Beginners.

 
 
moriarty
02:02 / 15.02.02
Or, the shallow end of the comics pool, as Persephone put it.

For those of you who do read comics, which comics in the following categories would you pick for someone just starting out? Please keep it to one pick per category per day, so that the people who are interested in putting their faith in us don't feel swamped, and so you pick the absolute best examples you can, because you have no choice.

Give good reasons for your choices. Go into as much detail as you like in order to plead your case. Pick titles that are a credit to the medium. Any genre or age group is permitted.

When choosing, try to include an honest appraisal of the title's contents. For example, just saying that Eightball is "killer" is not enough. Not everyone will agree that it's subject matter is in keeping with their taste, so let them know ahead of time if it's something they might not normally like. Unless, of course, they're feeling adventrous.

If possible, include links to samples of art, or even full comics online. I know that DC Comics has full sample stand alone issues available for some titles at their website. This is how I first read 100 Bullets.

Also include prices and links to Amazon, if applicable.

Serial.
Your standard comic book serial. It can be current or something from the past, but keep in mind that it may also fall under the Quarter Bin selection. Please specify which particular issues are the best. Detail how much knowledge of previous continuity is required. Most importantly, give an example of one stand alone issue for the reader to sample, so that they aren't straining their pocket books. If no stand alone issues are available, name a good jump in point.

Graphic Novel.
If your choice is an not an Original Graphic Novel, but rather a collection from a serial, please use the criteria for the serials in your description.

Quarter Bin.
Anything goes. Long lost classics that a browser might find in the cheap seats. Specific runs don't matter as much seeing as they probably won't be paying through the nose for them, but such information couldn't hurt. Titles that come to mind include Shade the Changing Man, Strikeforce Morturi, and Giffen's JLA (there you go Flux...)

I have a feeling that the old-timers could benefit from this just as much as anybody.
 
 
the Fool
02:52 / 15.02.02
Serial: 100 bullets is a must. For more superheroey stuff, JSA.

Graphic Novel: Watchmen

Old stuff: New Mutants 16-50 after that it all goes a bit pete tong. Before that is a bit crap. The New Mutants clash with the Beyonder is classic stuff. Also the art by Bill S(insert difficult spelling here)kz is inspirational.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
03:55 / 15.02.02
Hmmm. I learned to read on comics, so I don't really have a start. But here's what I would recommend to an intelligent person looking for good stuff:

Serial Blade of the Immortal, by Hirokai Samura. A manga (japanese comic) title that follows the exploits of a ronin who can't die who acts as a bodygaurd to a young girl looking to avenge her parents murder. The art alone is worth it, and the characters are likable. Fun plots. The only problem is that it's currently in the middle of a pretty long story arc, so maybe you should look for earlier issues. Fortunately, each issue has the name of the story arc and it's place in said arc right on the cover. Handy! This is the only current serial I read reliably.

Past stuff...let's see...Hitman, by Garth Ennis (a name you may see a lot in this thread), is really good. A killer for hire's hijinks in the nasty part of Gotham. It's a really funny book, too. It's already over though (number sixty was the last issue), which you'll be unhappy about once you start reading it. The back issues are pretty easy to find; nearly every shop I've been to in the states has at least a few.

Graphic Novel A second for Watchmen (a description of this book would need a thread of it's own. I think everyone here can agree that it's a really good read). Also try the Bone trades. Great book.

Quarter Bin Try Flamming Carrot: the further adventures of the strangest man alive, by Bob Burden. Possibly the strangest book I've read. Really, really surreal, but hilarious. A good portion of the issues are single shot stories. These might be a bit hard to find, unfortunately. And if you enjoy this, also try The Tick. I recommend the first series only, though.
I also enjoyed Frank Miller's run on Daredevil, but I can't remember what issue his run started on. I'm sure someone here knows, though.
 
 
[N.O.B.O.D.Y.]
04:30 / 15.02.02
quote:Originally posted by the Fool:
Also the art by Bill S(insert difficult spelling here)kz is inspirational.


Bill Sienkiewicz, I think
 
 
Trijhaos
08:59 / 15.02.02
Graphic Novel: Barry Weem: Boy Genius. I hope this has been collected or I'm going to look like an ass. Anyway, Barry Weem is Dexter from Dexter's Laboratory with cuss words and really interesting inventions mixed with Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes. Its in black and white but don't let that color your view. It works really well. Even if you can't find the graphic novel try to pick up the individual issues. They are self-contained so you don't have to have previous knowledge of the characters to enjoy the antics of Barry.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
08:59 / 15.02.02
I('m probbly about halfay between non-comics reader and comics geek, but...

Serial - Optic Nerve, or Action Girl. Would suggest Dork, although some of that is a bit too caught up in ED's love of comics.

Graphic Novel - Blue Monday, the Kids are All Right. Possibly Jessica Abel, Mirror, Window, although it's a bit self-indulgent.

Quarter Bin - Worryingly, I am swayed by some of Moriarty's recommendations. The Giffen/deMattheis JLA, which one might love or loathe but is less bombastic and absurd than much superhero stuff. Shade, the Changing Man, Morrison Doom Patrol, Skreemer...

Actually, I did recently get a request from a friend to help him read comics. So far we have bought:

Watchmen
Authority:Relentless
Dark Night Returns
Invisibles vol.1
The Sentry
JLA: Year One

But then, he is interested in finding out about superheroes and returning to characters and themes from his childhood, hence the very "boy" selection.
 
 
videodrome
08:59 / 15.02.02
Alec: The King Kanute Crowd by Eddie Campbell. As good an explanation as any as to how comics can be a straight yet very affecting narrative. Dramatic and funny as hell, with little emphasis on 'art' - yet Campbell's rendering becomes quickly appealing. Follow-up with any of the Bacchus books or The Dance Of Lifey Death. The Alec material is a loose serial, but the Kanute book is the beginning, though they can be read in most any order. The Bacchus books follow a slightly more strict serial arc, but anyone with a vague knowledge of mythology can jump right in. The book linked above is the third, but perhaps the most easily accessable.

The Saga of the Swamp Thing by Alan Moore and Bissette and Totleben. Before Dark Knight, before Watchmen - the book that paved the way for most everything that's been done in interesting superhero comics, with the exception of Miller's Daredevil. The beginning of Moore's run on the book, new readers should find this a perfect place to begin - the only characters taken for granted are people most everyone will know - Superman, Batman, etc.

City Of Glass, adapted by David Mazzuchelli from Paul Auster's novel. This one may not be in print, but should be pretty easy to find. A standalone, and just a great book to read, Mazzuchelli's art seems effortless and is perfect for the story. Like Eddie Campbell's work, a good book for people who are wary of the men in tights stuff.

I'm not sure if McCloud's Understanding Comics is really a good starting place or not. Definitely not a good first book, but not bad a couple of efforts down the line. Comics' bible of semantics more than anything else, McCloud does a very entertaining job of breaking down how and why comics work.

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mondo a-go-go
10:57 / 15.02.02
Serial.
this is a hard one, but i'm gonna go with Finder, because carla has entire issues up there for preview. (there's an interview i did with her here if you want to know more about her work. actually, the interview was kinda bastardised after the interview editor decided to ask more questions, and there was a whole bunch of really good stuff that never made it into the final piece...and there may be spoilers in it. *le sigh*)


Graphic Novel.
Hugo Tate: O America
the whole entire thing costs less than 6 bucks to download as a pdf file, and you can check out preview pages there as well. this was the first hugo tate thing i ever read (back in uk anthology deadline, where jamie hewlett and philip bond made their names). hugo had been around for a while, but i didn't need to know anything about his previous life to get into this (though discovering his earlier stories was a trip, because the art was sooo much more basic...)

it's your basic fish-out-of-water tale, as british hugo visits his yuppie sister in new york and then winds up doing a road trip with a psycho to california, so it's full of observations about how people treat each other, and about how different cultures connect and fragment. i think a lot of people who hang out on here will like it.


Quarter Bin.
Justice League America & Justice League Europe: the Giffen & DeMatteis years
it's just....silly. comic in the real sense of the word. daft. it's a superhero soap opera comedy series, and when they're working on the goofy in-jokes and the bickering and bitchy character interaction, it's one of my favourite comics ever. when they're taking it all far too seriously (around issue 16 of JLE), i stopped reading (though i'm looking for the issues i missed now). its selling point is that it doesn't take itself or superheroes seriously, and you can still pick it up way cheap. most of the issues had stories that were resolved within the 20odd pages, so you don't really need to read them all consecuively. classic stories include green lantern taking ice to a porn movie; booster gold and beatle turning an island paradise into a casino; and the cat. watch out for the cat.

and another few suggestions, if i may:

One-shots
not mini series, not ongoing, not graphic novels. comics that only came out as a single issue.


Web comics
i have two suggestions, to give you an idea of what's out there (though maybe a new thread would be a neat idea)

Nowhere Girl
i'm not so sure about the story, but the artwork is gorgeous
Odd JObs
i just discovered this yesterday, started reading the second story. it's detective fiction with lovely artwork.


mini comics
mini comics are both those that are very small (usually the size of a page of A4 folded into 4) and have a small run.
good places to get information on them are:
bugpowder -- pete used to be pretty much the only hook-up for minicomics and small press stuff in the uk, so he has a lot of contacts and information
sequential tart -- there are a lot of smallpress creators who hang out on the message board there, so you can check out contact information and pick up interesting stuff...(and Amy Unbounded, mentioned in that article has now been collected and is available through Previews, the main comics distributor)
mini-comics.com
good places to pick up minicomics and other interesting things:

Bizarro Wuxtry
Gosh!
Mars Import

wooh! anna gets all evangelical on your ass. anything to get the gals reading and stuff....

now... lunch.
 
 
rizla mission
13:13 / 15.02.02
I'd recommend non-comics reading folk to pick up pretty much anything put out by Oni Press. Quality varies from brilliant to Ok, but they should be given fanfares and love and free money for publishing comics which appeal to "normal" people, rather than just deranged old science fiction freaks and pop culture obsessives (such as myself - minus the old).

But of course, they only get sold in dingy comics emporiums, thus making sure they only preach to the converted..
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:34 / 15.02.02
I also highly recommend those old Giffen Justice League comics - they were just so much fun. I haven't revisited them in a long time, and I was a young teen when I first got them all, but they were always goofy and funny, great pop fun.

A great way to start off would be to get the trade paperback containing the first eight issues, with lovely art by Kevin Maguire.

The rest of the series can be picked up fairly easily and for cheap - but that's the best place to start, for sure.

Like Kooky says, it starts to drift off and gets weaker over time, but there's great stuff throughout the whole run.

I think my single favorite issue was an annual, it was part of the Armageddon 2001 annual series - in the story, we get a look into the future of each character, and it's just really warm and funny and human. I really loved that issue. It stands alone very well, too - it would be just as good an intro to the series.

One of the running jokes throughout the Giffen Justice League run was that all the characters were 'second string losers', not as worthy as the characters who were previously in the Justice League and later were in Grant Morrison's run - folks like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern. But I think that having to use generic 'loser' characters forced them into making a far better comic, because instead of having to write ready-made icons, they had to find ways to make characters no one knew interesting and worthwhile.

I think the best way to sell Giffen's Justice League is as a good tv sit-com masking itself as a superhero comic.

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mondo a-go-go
13:53 / 15.02.02
fool, why do you like all of those choices, besides that bill sienkewitcz's artwork was an inspiration for you? i mean, i've read watchmen and enjoyed it, and i read the first 12 issues of 100 bullets before getting bored with it, and i don't want to get into a debate about their relative merits as such, but beginners who are reading this thread have no clue about them. more info? i've not read anything else on your list. any reason why i should?

trijhaos: it's Barry Ween, not "weem". and it's all out in books.

haus: again, why do you think all these books would be worthwhile for beginners to try their luck on? what are all these about?

i second videodrome's reccommendation of city of glass, which is one of the best adaptations i've read. i think it's still available. wasn't it put out by NBM? (and i wish videodrome's links worked...)
 
 
videodrome
14:06 / 15.02.02
Ach. Links work now. Shows what I get for doing them by hand - I keep adding quotes which buggers the parse...it's not HMTL...d'oh!

Should note that all my links above are Amazon US.

And kookymojo, the copy of City of Glass I hold was published by the short-lived Neon Lit division of Avon Books, NYC. Don't know who would've published UK.

Should also add a recommendation for Dylan Horrocks' Hicksville, which Amazon says is out of print. Shame, that. But others seem to be picking up the good Black Eye books, so maybe someone else will put this out. It's a great look at comics and superheros from outside, and a finely crafted story in general. Of all the topical, comics-referential materila out there, I think it's the most readable for non-fans, and perhaps the best overall.

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Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
14:45 / 15.02.02
You're quite right, Kooks. I was pushed for time. Looking back, I note that one of my uppermost things was that none of them involved superheroes in particular. I think, in fact, that in almost all cases superheroes are compromised because somebody from the outside world may recognise Superman and Batman, say, but throw MArtian Manhunter or Azrael into the mix and you already need a reference guide; the story is paralysed by the assumption that the reader is familiar first with the universe and second with the conventions of the superhero comic. The Giffen/deMattheis JLA is probably slightly exempt from this because the characters are all sufficiently second-string to appear pretty generic and because its levity and tone kept it separate from most of the rest of the "DC Universe" at the time.

So...

Serial - Optic Nerve, or Action Girl. Would suggest Dork, although some of that is a bit too caught up in ED's love of comics.

Optic Nerve is an irregular publication by Adrian Tomine, which describes minor incidents in minor lives in a flat, undemonstrative style, with blackj and white images. On one level, this attracts because it has similarities with the modern short story style but expressed through a highly formal grid structure. Its stories are largely self-contained, and as such require no continuity knowledge, and revolve largely around people interacting with each other. Basically, it's a fair way away from "touch my tits with your claw".

Action Girl is a highly irregular, black and white, and by now probably bargain binned, anthology comic edited by Sarah Dyer, with a group of regular contributors and guests. With the intention of creating a comic by and primarily for women, Dyer's eclectic selection was tied together by the recurring character of Action Girl, a school-age gymnast who fights crime in her spare time, and also points out the value of thrifting over shoplifting, getting involved in lovcal communities, handmade clothes and lots of good stuff for an audience of young female comic readers that sadly simply does not exist. I recommend it precisely because of its anthology format - from knowing "superhero"-ish lampoons to personal memoir to what are in effect newstrips, it provides a non-exclusive tour of different ways to approach comics as a medium. Also features lovely lovely Elizabeth Watashin, whose characters are clean, simple, expressive and generally great.

Graphic Novel - Blue Monday, the Kids are All Right.

More black and white, and another female creator, writer-artist Chyna Clugston-Major, former holder of the WWF Intercontinental and Women's championship. This tale is one of series of collections of limited series portraying the adventures of a group of schoolkids in a sort of undefined early 90s American school, where Britpop rules and mod is always in fashion. In effect a tour of the creator's youthful cultural obsessions, Blue Monday charms with an open unaffected drawing style with a noticeable Manga influence (big eyes, pointy noses) and an amiable cast of teenagers dealng with problems like trying to get Adam Ant tickets at the last minute or falling in love with their impeccably mod English teacher.

Quarter Bin -

Somebody's already done The Giffen/DeMattheis JLA, and there are people better equipped than me to do Doom Patrol. Skreemer I am no longer sure about, so...

Shade, the Changing Man - Peter Miligan, currently writing the highly-regarded X-Force, cut his American teeth on this, his first long-running strip. Beginning with the hero, a radical revamp of a forgotten 70s superhero (and yes, fatbeards, I know he was in the Suicide Squad in the 80s. Shut up) arriving in spirit to possess the body of a convicted murderer and attempt to save America from a bubbling wave of psychosis, Shade begins as an examination of the neuroses of America - the Kennedy Assassination, the failure of the Love Decade, Hollywood and so on, then broadened and deepened into an exploration of love, death, madness and dislocation. Almost impossible to pin down, individual episodes of Shade remain entertaining regardless of context, and along with Milligan's height-of-his-powers script, aphoristic and surreal without ever losing emotional contact with the characters, however loathsome they become, the artwork is provided by such worthies as Bachalo, Richard Case, Phillip Bond and Glynn Dillon, making it possibly the best-looking long-running series ever produced by Vertigo. Noticably better and more intelligent than the Invisibles.
 
 
Captain Zoom
14:53 / 15.02.02
I'll keep mine short.

Series - Planetary, 2 trades and ongoing comic, well sort of ongoing. Excellent plot, good twists and turns and a little bit of pop culture and comic book history.

Graphic Novel - JLA: Earth 2 - fucking gorgeous and a fun read. Enough there to make you think, but not too much. Nice intro to Grant.

Quarter Bin - Marvel's New Universe title DP7. Excellent. Imagine the X-Men in the real world. (Go on, take umbrance with that ya bastards)

oh, and if I may, Frank Cho's Liberty Meadows, for anyone who enjoyed Bloom County, this is for you. Currently reprinting newspaper strips in comic form and a big beautiful trade edition is out of the first six issues. I reccommend this title to anyone.

Zoom.
 
 
Trijhaos
15:47 / 15.02.02
Its Barry Ween? <looks through stack of comics> You're right. It always looked like an "M" to me.

If we're throwing in web comics I just want to mention Sluggy Freelance. Its a wonderful comic. Worship the comic!
Its also got something going for it that most paper comic books don't. Its a little thing called continuity.

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Steve Block
18:29 / 15.02.02
Graphic Novel:

Love and Rockets Volume 12 Poison River, by Gilbert Hernandez £13.99 on Amazon UK

A book that centres on Luba and explores her upbringing and early life, and the characters she interacts with. It's black and white art, and Gilbert Hernandez makes full use of the large album size pages to showcase his talent. The story strands take in politics and gangsters, love, life and death, with magical realism and pathos thrown in to the best of effects. Gilbert utilises the medium to great effect, using panel layouts to build tension and plot threads, and showing within panels scenes that many other comics fail to touch upon.

Although this is volume 12, do not be fooled into thinking you need to read volumes 1-11 first, you can read this and if you want to explore further, you can, but rest assured, this is a stand alone book.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:41 / 15.02.02
Mr. Block, I wish I could hug you, or shake your hand. I've been wondering (and forgetting to ask about) a good entry point into Love and Rockets for ages now, and I do believe I will buy that volume this coming week. Thanks!
 
 
Steve Block
19:01 / 15.02.02
No problem, hope you like it.

Just to point out I believe you can still get Hicksville from Drawn and Quarterly, they ship to the UK, although it's surface and takes about a month.
 
 
videodrome
20:06 / 15.02.02
L&R had been something I planned to mention and just skipped. Flux, since you're a vet, the first book is just as good a plce as any to start. The first four books (or so) have a sci-fi/superhero-ish bent to many stories which was (wisely, I think) left behind in the later issues. But since that probably won't put you off, you might was well start at the beginning. And that way, you get to see Los Bros art and storytelling evolve out of the gate. Other good starting points are book 5 - House of Raging Women and book 7 - The Death of Speedy.

It's too bad that the Return of Mr X book is out of print, because it's another great non-comics reader book, with great art by Jaime. And I gave my copy away...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:42 / 15.02.02
Hm, I think I'm still going to go with Steve's recommendation. While it is true that I won't break out in hives from reading a superhero/genre comic, it's certainly not what I'm most interested in reading lately. The only superhero comics I read now are New X-Men, X-Force, Ultimate X-Men (which I think I shall quit if the next Millar issue doesn't grab me), The Authority (which has one more issue to go), and The Ultimates (which I'm only trying out cos I like Millar but doubt I will stick with). I'm sure you can figure out the connecting thread between those comics...

Also, I'd rather see the Hernadez art at the top of their game rather than early weaker work - I'm pre-sold on the art, by the way. I just have been intimidated by the huge bibliography. And the fact that I read a bit of the recent Grip comic and didn't like it.

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Margin Walker
20:55 / 15.02.02
quote:Originally posted by videodrome:
L&R had been something I planned to mention and just skipped.


I admit I've never attempted to get into "Love & Rockets" for the sheer fact that they have such a large back catalog & I'd bring myself to finacial ruin in hopes of aquiring everything.

And although it's not a book, it's worth mentioning the 1988 documentary "Comic Book Confidential", which features damn near everyone from the 50's through the 80's, with a bent on the underground artists of the day (Art Spiegelman, Rob't Crumb, Charles Burns, BIll Griffith, Jaime Hernandez, Harvey Pekar, etc.). Shouldn't be hard to find, as I rented it from my library awhile ago.

And Rizla's right about everything at Oni Press being top-notch stuff. What's perhaps the most amazing thing (besides the high number of quality titles) is that they can somehow manage to put out their comics without advertising!!! I know it seems like a small thing, but after glancing though ad after ad of some videogame or idiotic movie you couldn't possibly give a shit about, you'd know what I'm getting at. I can't tell you how many goddamn times I've seen ads for such instant cinematic masterpieces like "Good Burger"....
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
09:10 / 16.02.02
Another graphic novel I'd recommend is Who Dares Wins, a 5-issue Hitman trade. Relatively cheap, and you don't need to know much about the series to be interested by the story.

And, of course, the Invisibles first volume. I think it'd be better to get this in trades rather than individual issues. Look for: Say You Want a Revolution, Apokalipstik, and Enropy in the UK.

Single issues: the doble sized Iron Man 150th anniversary issue. Bob Michelinie doing the story and John Romita jr. doing the art. It's one of my favorite single issues from Marvel. Iron Man and Doctor Doom in Camelot! It's got a sense of humor to it (nothing laugh out loud, just enough for some brevity here and there) and shows a superhero out of his element and not knowing what the hell to do about it. Doom takes it well and has a plan all set up in seconds. Fun issue.
 
 
videodrome
09:10 / 16.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Margin Walker:


I admit I've never attempted to get into "Love & Rockets" for the sheer fact that they have such a large back catalog & I'd bring myself to finacial ruin in hopes of aquiring everything.


That's the main reason I didn't mention it originallly. Same thing goes for Cerebus. I think people would love everything through Jaka's Story - after that it gets too topical for many, though I still think it's good. But there's just so damn much - buying through Jaka is an easy $150 US. And like L&R, the early stuff is sketchy and rough, though unlike L&R it's absolutely essential for understanding what happens 200 issues later.

Flux, the Grip stuff is not very much like Gilbert's great Palomar stories, though some of the characters cross over. It has much more in common with his hardcore book Birdland, where he indulged himself with ridiculous plots and sex (while still managing to create porn that wasn't too embarassing...) The early L&R is pretty cool, though. Perhaps not the best place to start, though I'm a fan of just picking up from the beginning if you've got some faith that you'll like the book overall. The stories aren't superhero exactly, but they do rely on genre conventions that might seem ridiculous to the non-comics reader. It's still very good work, though.

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bio k9
09:10 / 16.02.02
I wonder how helpful this thread really is to noncomic readers...

Stray Bullets is probably my favorite comic out there right now. Its a black and white crime-drama series that follows a rotating cast of characters through their violent, fucked up lives. There are 23 regular issues and two special color issues to date. Every single issue has a self contained story, it really doesn't matter which one you buy first (though I wouldn't recommend #6, 10 or 18 until you've read at least some of the others). Each issue starts by telling you the date and location that the issue takes place. Over time you get to see how the different character are related to each other as their stories begin to entertwine. All the characters are fleshed out in a way that will make you care about even the most coldblooded of killers. And you might openly weep for little Virginia Applejack.

The art is wonderful. I know the way some comics arrange the individual panels or captions can be confusing but I guarantee you will never have that problem with Stray Bullets.

Man, I really love this comic. I'm having a hard time being objective about it. I know a lot of comics recieve praise just because they dont involve superheros but I don't think thats the case here. Its just a good story. Enough gushing or Laphams gonna have to put me on the payroll.

All back issues of Stray Bullets are still in print so don't pay a lot of money for back issues. Cover price is $2.95 to $3.50 US, probably more in the rest of the world. You can also buy the big (9'X12") hardcover books (three volumes, $34.95 each) that come with extra stuff in the back. Each HC book contains 7 or 8 issues. Choice number three, the trade paperback versions (5 volumes so far, $12 to $15), contain four issues each. Buy them today.
 
 
moriarty
04:00 / 18.02.02
quote:Originally posted by The Haus of Deletia:
Quarter Bin - Worryingly, I am swayed by some of Moriarty's recommendations.


You're not the only one worried. To make matters worse, I was originally going to name Skreemer as a quarter bin example. I didn't because I wasn't sure if I had found it in the bin by a fluke.

Weird.
 
 
bastl b
20:33 / 18.02.02
all that follows are graphic novels/collected editions so there´s no need to search for individual issues in the back bin:

first off, I have to second POISON RIVER (Gilbert Hernandez)as a starting point into comics literature. It´s a vey dense book and if you flip through it you might get lost soon. It´s a book which you best read slowly and attentively but you´ll be rewarded. To this day POISON RIVER is one of the best things I ever read.

BONE (Jeff Smith) as a supreme fantasy comic has already been mentioned. I think it is a really stellar achievement, it has all the poetry and romance of the best fairy tales and mixes that with the fun and action of Carl Barks´ duck stories. It´s a wonderful epic, done with a lot of charm.

CASTLE WAITING (Linda Medley) is another great fantasy book.

TALE OF ONE BAD RAT by Bryan Talbot. It is about a girl who got sexually abused and she now has to live and deal with it. and she does! On the back cover it reads: "there are many ways to fight abuse: this is one of them". I agree.

If you have a soft spot in your heart for superheroes, Kurt Busiek´s ASTRO CITY takes a very heartfelt poetic look at them. It´s one of the few successful attempts of doing exciting superheroes that don´t try to be cutting edge all the time. a legitmiate heir to lee/kirby.

and in that same category, ignoring all the stupid rules of genre while celebrating the very finest traditions of superhero comics: I totally love MADMAN (by Mike Allred, who now draws the critically acclaimed X-FORCE written by Peter Milligan, also cool), a superhero which doesn´t read like one. It is a heartfelt tale about the search for self and identity set in a totally nutty fun world where everything happens.

CONCRETE (Paul Chadwick) is another great comic about a man trapped inside a rock body. Less scifi than it sounds the comic is an exploration of character and the stories more often than not contain dead serious themes but they are very gentle and poetic in execution. a warming and touching book.

okay, GOODBYE CHUNKY RICE: this is something like a number one hit in the alternative comics charts, everybody seems to like it. The deal is like this: you read it and you have to cry-that´s the price you pay. A story about losing people and finding yourself, depressing and uplifting at the same time, wonderfully executed.

Joe Sacco´s been doing very strong political work for years: PALESTINE; SAFE AREA GORAZDE (about the war in eastern bosnia) are documentations and everybody agrees that they fucking rock (but expect to be shocked). But don´t worry, it´s just fiction ;-)

MAUS by art spiegelman is a comic about the holocaust and also about a father and son relation ship and about old Europeans and young Americans. basically, a book about everything.

V FOR VENDETTA is a book about an anarchist who fucks up a future fascist britain. early alan moore masterpiece, but still very shocking and on the cutting edge of what comics are capable of. better than 1984 even if it borrows some premises from that work.

JIMMY CORRIGAN is a book about a shy, nerdy guy who is totally lost inside his own tortured self. If you dig psychology, the pain that masochists feel and want to watch a human soul in turmoil and feel the bite of loneliness as experienced by THE SMARTEST KID ON EARTH then you better drown in this work.

Dan CLowes´ GHOST WOrld,a story about two teen girls, slowly drifting apart. this one and JIMMY CORRIGAN should also be easily available in book stores.


FROM HELL by Alan Moore and Eddie Campbell. fucking intense dissection of Victorian England. Horrific, revealing, maddening.

and of course, INVISIBLES by grant morrison. The comic that ended the world, thanks grant!
 
 
mondo a-go-go
10:09 / 19.02.02
quote:Originally posted by bastl b:
okay, GOODBYE CHUNKY RICE: this is something like a number one hit in the alternative comics charts, everybody seems to like it. The deal is like this: you read it and you have to cry-that´s the price you pay. A story about losing people and finding yourself, depressing and uplifting at the same time, wonderfully executed.


that thing about crying? it's true. do NOT read it if you've just said goodbye to a friend. or read it and weep.

craig thompson has a new book out this year. more info at top shelf.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
14:50 / 19.02.02
quote:Originally posted by bastl b:
BONE (Jeff Smith) as a supreme fantasy comic has already been mentioned. I think it is a really stellar achievement, it has all the poetry and romance of the best fairy tales and mixes that with the fun and action of Carl Barks´ duck stories. It´s a wonderful epic, done with a lot of charm.


Yes! Yes! I didn't really know how to describe this book other than "really good". Good job clearing things up.


quote:If you have a soft spot in your heart for superheroes, Kurt Busiek´s ASTRO CITY takes a very heartfelt poetic look at them. It´s one of the few successful attempts of doing exciting superheroes that don´t try to be cutting edge all the time. a legitmiate heir to lee/kirby.

I completely forgot about this. It's, uh, really good. Makes a story about a half-assed batman character fun and exciting to read.

Also, the one Grendel trade I enjoyed is Devils and Deaths. Can't remember who wrote or who did the art, but I know it was two Czech guys who were living maybe six miles away from a warzone during the whole Muslim/Croat/British "peacekeeping force" free-for-all. I read this at the same time as My War Gone By, I Miss It So (about a smack addicted photographer who goes to the balkans around this same time to see what war is like), and the two had very similar feels. In a good way.
 
 
kid coagulant
15:38 / 25.02.02
i thouroughly enjoyed 'introducing kafka', w/ artwork by r.crumb. his depiction of the machine from 'the penal colony' was pretty freaky.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1840461225/qid=1014661805/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-3320825-1393737

pretty much all of the 'introducing...' books are good, and cover a big range of subjects (joyce, jung, postmodernism, feminism, descartes, etc). i'd use these books if i taught kids.
 
 
the Fool
20:20 / 25.02.02
quote:Originally posted by kookymojo:
fool, why do you like all of those choices, besides that bill sienkewitcz's artwork was an inspiration for you? i mean, i've read watchmen and enjoyed it, and i read the first 12 issues of 100 bullets before getting bored with it, and i don't want to get into a debate about their relative merits as such, but beginners who are reading this thread have no clue about them. more info? i've not read anything else on your list. any reason why i should?


The New Mutant issues in question I love because they were so full of atmosphere. They were admittedly my first comics ever and have dated a little but I still love them. The story arc where Prof X and kids jump into the mindscape of Legion is a favourite. I still find the fight to the death against the Beyonder moving. Especially Dani's speach at the end. I like the gladiator story just because it gave me a sense of the 'heat' of LA.

I recommended 100 Bullets because its quite cinematic and seems to walk between big story and small story. Small for the casual read and big for the long haul.

And JSA, I like because its just big adventure every month. Its fun and bright and full of superheroes.
 
 
invisible_al
09:01 / 26.02.02
Ok just to say Me Too to CONCRETE by Paul Chadwick. Its a lovely comic, all about a man with a body of living rock and how it would actually work in the real world. How do you live when you're a walking rock? Get the occasional job guarding pop stars is one answer :-) Tons of character stuff and some of the art is beautiful

Oh yeah and same again with the Oni Press stuff, Grrl Scouts if you want something cool and funny. Oh not for youngsters this one, adult subject matter and only Barry Ween has more cussing.

Oh anyone mentioned the 2000AD reprints? The Ballad of Halo Jones by Alan Moore is a classic that you have to read. Wonder when they're going to reprint skizz and zenith?
 
 
Steve Block
09:01 / 26.02.02
quote:Originally posted by invisible_al:
Oh anyone mentioned the 2000AD reprints? The Ballad of Halo Jones by Alan Moore is a classic that you have to read. Wonder when they're going to reprint skizz and zenith?


The reprint of Zenith book one is held up due to copyright issues, I think it's the usage of Smith's lyrics that wasn't ever cleared, but I'm not 100%. Zenith seems dogged by copyright issues.
 
  
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