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Warren Ellis Signs Exclusive Contract With DC

 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:02 / 18.01.02


I'm not making this up...

quote: For a significant five-figure sum, too. Substantially more, for a substantially better deal, than exclusivities that friends and acquaintances of mine have signed over the last several years.

And this is the deal. I'm committed to creating new material under creator-ownership and creator-participation deals.

DC are committed to my creating new material under creator-ownership and creator-participation deals.

For a pleasant amount of money, I take all my new projects to DC -- and that's ALL DC imprints, inclusive of Wildstorm and Homage -- in an expanded version of the relationship I have with them now. Which means that I can now bug VP Managing Editor Terri Cunningham directly if I feel like it, and can share my extensive collection of Latvian tractor pornography with Paul Levitz. Or at least email it to him via an anonymising service.

The arrangement does not prevent me from completing my outstanding projects for other publishers, nor does it prevent me from promoting those projects when they're released.

Oh, and as a courtesy, I'm finally going to do that DCU project I promised Joey Cavalieri I'd give him when he returned to DC six years back. Can't hold out any longer.

That's it.

Here's why I'm doing it.

They asked me. And they took the trouble to listen to what I've been saying to them over the last few years and designed the offer specifically to my needs, so that the document I signed Tuesday does not differ in any way from what I was verbally offered a couple of weeks back. This was evidence of giving a shit.

DC do everything right. We've had arguments about content before, and the edge of the envelope is always an uncomfortable place to be. But in terms of business, they do everything right. Foreign sales, foreign sales *payments*, the excellent trade paperback program, the growing commitment to original graphic novels, the continued commitment to creator-ownership... all the things I care about, they get right.

I mean, think about it here. "Warren, here's all the things you're going to do anyway. Have some extra money for it, as part of an expanded relationship that'll make it easier to do all these things, and make it even easier to do more of them afterwards." What would you do?


So, I guess together with Morrison's The Filth, this is DC's secret masterplan to fight back against the Marvel renaissance...
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
11:23 / 18.01.02
Wow. Can't be easy on the edge of that envelope. Making nob jokes.
 
 
DaveBCooper
11:58 / 18.01.02
Vaguely uneasy about this, to be honest. Surprise may be a factor, granted, but … ah, I dunno.

Anyone else feel this way ?

DBC
 
 
sleazenation
12:25 / 18.01.02
Warren Ellis is paid lots of money and given a creative stake in his work but i would be VERY surprised if this deal doesn't include him writing at least on regular DCU/wildstorm title ie he will be working on superheroes again. Never say never eh warren?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:25 / 18.01.02
vaguely not bothered really cos Ellis isn't really that good.

talks a good game.....

but thats it.

tho I am pleased DC are dragging themselves back into the fight.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
12:31 / 18.01.02
Hey, Sleaze. Take it easy. It can't be easy to be on the dangerous edge of the envelope.

With a contract tying you solely to producing product for an AOL Time Warner company.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:37 / 18.01.02
Good one, Yawn.

I will never understand the fuss.
 
 
Ellis says:
13:40 / 18.01.02
People still care about Warren Ellis?

That's news in itself....
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:40 / 18.01.02
It's going to take a hell of lot more than Warren Ellis to save the sinking ship that is the DCU...
 
 
moriarty
15:17 / 18.01.02
I don't think the situation at DC is as dire as everyone seems to be saying. Just because the comics they put out don't fit with your sensibilities (and in your case, Flux, it seems that you have always hated the DC machine) doesn't mean that they aren't doing well. Though I don't number myself amongst them, alot of people enjoy DC's current slate of "conservative" comics, and why not? Why is it so wrong to have a number of different types of comics, instead of having DC try and ape what Marvel is doing? I always envisioned DC as being like a blue chip stock. Slow and steady.

Besides, it's not like the Joe Q reign of Marvel is going to last forever. I give him three more years before the owners of Marvel decide that they're solid enough to quit being edgy and go back to the boring pap that has characterized the last eight years of Marvel comics.

If anything, I wish a new publisher would come in and fuck up both the Big Two. Similar to where Marvel was at in the early 60s.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:26 / 18.01.02
Well, it's been sooooo long since anything worthwhile has come out of the DCU. Personally, I thought Starman was just okay, and I didn't like Grant's JLA. So, jogging my memory, the last great thing published in the DCU (not counting Vertigo) was Keith Giffen's work on Justice League and Legion Of Super Heroes, and that was a looooong time ago.

This is my opinion, of course, but still - the DCU line clogs up the market with drab conservative superhero comics aimed almost exclusively at guys in their 30s. At that's depressing, don't you think?

I really hope Ted Turner swoops in and steals Batman, Superman, and the JLA characters. The editors and creators at DC deserve it for having been so idle for so long.
 
 
moriarty
15:47 / 18.01.02
I admit that I really enjoyed many DC titles of the past ten years, like the inital run of Batman Adventures. I also admit that Marvel is putting out far better comics right now.

My only disagreement with your response is that your description of DC could just as well apply to Marvel from five to ten years back. Add in "derivitive of Image" and you have it pegged. There's also the fact that Marvel once purposely flooded the market with books that they had no intention of continuing in order to push other publishers titles off the shelf.

I realize that this is old news, and isn't representative of what Marvel is currently up to. I'm only pointing it out to say that one of these days we'll all be moaning about the crap Marvel is putting out, and singing the praises of DC. Or, better yet, both will be eating dust from a new competitor that has a better idea of how to save the comic marketplace then either of the big two.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:55 / 18.01.02
If there was some way that I could dictate what Marvel and DC published, there would be widespread slash-and-burn cancellations of nearly their entire lines.

Don't mistake me: I don't think Marvel is much better than DC. I think that what Marvel is doing right now with their mainstream line is significantly better than what DC and the Image studios are putting out, nearly across the board. I would say that in terms of mainstream comics, it's all about Marvel and Wildstorm nowadays.

But nevertheless, Drawn & Quarterly and Fantagraphics piss all over the rest of industry...[/LIST]
 
 
moriarty
16:00 / 18.01.02
I happily concede to all points.

And to bring it all back to Warren Ellis, he has always said that he made a promise to do a superhero story for the DCU, and he intends to keep that promise. Other then that, it doesn't look likely that he will be creating superhero stories for DC.

[ 18-01-2002: Message edited by: moriarty ]
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
16:30 / 18.01.02
quote:Originally posted by moriarty:

If anything, I wish a new publisher would come in and fuck up both the Big Two. Similar to where Marvel was at in the early 60s.



Hey! Playstation style. Yes, Sony come along and miraculously steal the games market from Nintendo and Sega, broaden the fucker at the same time and go on to rule the world.

All the more amazing when you consider their initially shit marketing campaign of S.A.P's (societ against playstation) - this was spraypainted allover the UK long before Banksy opened his anus to Boxfresh. so maybe not so shit. guerilla tactics, branding, club tours, great control pad, lots of innovations basically.

So - I wonder if any other massive publisher or whoever (someone who doesn't publish comics but is fucking huge) could do for comics what Sony did for the games market.

Ferry Inter-estinc.


But yeah, Sgunnice Runcheon 'n': it's true about ellis innit.

It's a lot of hype and fluff. Look: I get Planetary whenever it shows up, but to be honest it's pretty badly written. That long drawn out fourth man wank. cumon depeshay vous Ellis. We Know for fucks sake. And the dialogue. Woah. not good. An awful lot of exposition as well for an apparently skilled craftsman. I shall post examples if anyone dares challenge this 'kicking' which I give to Ellis.

Trans: the first few episodes were okay: it suits ellis' style. it's just like his 'from the desk of stuff' - a rant.

He's an arch-copyist. Not a cutter and paster like Morrison, just a fuckin cheating sod in the exam hall who copies yer bloody answers.

pause.

I would now like to apologise to everyone for this absurd post.
 
 
The Packard Goose
16:32 / 18.01.02
Does this mean we might be seeing new issues of Planetary more than twice a year?
 
 
sleazenation
09:12 / 19.01.02
Nope i think it would be a hard task to build an argument that warren was a great writer - hes a talented writer able to fuse swearing and exposition with a narrative, but you read his comics especially planetary like a
historical essay on the comics form.

Enough.


You can draw good royalties on this stuff.

But show us something new, Warren.
 
 
rexpop
09:12 / 19.01.02
Yes but does it mean that he might bless us with an issue of 'Planetary' this year ?.

I do hope so.
 
 
bio k9
09:12 / 19.01.02
You realise, if this was the WEF, you would all have been called "shit eyes" and banned from posting. And then all the other forum members would have laughed at you...

Anyway, how long till DC lets him make Supes a cranky old Brit that cusses and smokes?
 
 
Ellis says:
09:12 / 19.01.02
If this was the WEF there would be 300+ posts congratulating Mr. Ellis and telling him how brilliant he is.

But it's not.
 
 
Ganesh
10:25 / 19.01.02
[Jack Fear] Head on a fucking leash... [/Jack Fear]

[ 19-01-2002: Message edited by: Ganesh v4.2 ]
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
01:06 / 22.01.02
--And to bring it all back to Warren Ellis, he has always said that he made a promise to do a superhero story for the DCU, and he intends to keep that promise. Other then that, it doesn't look likely that he will be creating superhero stories for DC.--

Yeah he wiil; he owes it to DCU editor Joe Calaviery. And it looks like it'll be Supes after all.

And yawn, please post more. Love the accent.
 
 
rexpop
02:44 / 22.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Vortex09:

Yeah he wiil; he owes it to DCU editor Joe Calaviery. And it looks like it'll be Supes after all.

And yawn, please post more. Love the accent.


I see it now...Superman heads to the pub. After all isn't that what happens at some point in every book Warren Ellis writes.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
01:04 / 23.01.02
--I see it now...Superman heads to the pub. After all isn't that what happens at some point in every book Warren Ellis writes. --

No, Superman fucks sheep (can't find it anywhere on the web anymore, so maybe that's a sign); and probably Kent heads for the Truth. And swears a lot. All of this in a Elseworld mini.
 
 
Mr Ed
12:26 / 23.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Vortex09:
[QBNo, Superman fucks sheep (can't find it anywhere on the web anymore, so maybe that's a sign.[/QB]


A sign of what? That he came from a small country town and was very,very, very bored? There's a "sheep-fucking" episode of Supeman then? That I'd like to see.

Hmm, Warren Ellis is rapidly becoming the Ben Elton of the comics world. Sound and fury to start, then becoming rather tame in later works (the comparison falls apart if you compare Blackadder to Transmet I suppose)

My personal hope is the money Rebellion are pumping into 2000ad will generate a pile of new brit writers and some small press firm will come in from the left. Either that or we end up with a pile of war stories from Ennis in 2000ad.
We shall see.

(In related news, Berger getting the hell out of Vertigo is a good thing, IMHO. Give it to someone who cares.)
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:44 / 23.01.02
Haus, mate, I don't get it. Are you saying a writer has a duty to pump out counter-culture? That there's some ethical reason why he shouldn't have taken this deal?

(I think it's a mistake to tie yourself to a single outfit for that long, but hey - each to their own.)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:24 / 23.01.02
In Ellis' defence - he doesn't see it as a single outfit, since 'DC' encompasses Wildstorm, Vertigo, Homage and more. Also, Mr Ed, there's no reason why his work should become tamer - if you read the quote in the first post, he's not signed up to do JLA Adventures or anything, it'll all be creator-owned or creator-participated work, apart from a DCU project he'd promised to do anyway.

Also, bear in mind it's only as-yet-unannounced Ellis projects that are exclusive to DC. He's got a shedload of other stuff coming out this year (apparently).

He's still vastly over-rated, mind.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
13:30 / 23.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Nick:
Haus, mate, I don't get it. Are you saying a writer has a duty to pump out counter-culture? That there's some ethical reason why he shouldn't have taken this deal?


Nah, I'm takling the piss. I just think it sits uneasily with his "Look at me! I'm a fat bald middle-aged REBEL!" schtick.
 
 
Mr Ed
13:45 / 28.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:
Also, Mr Ed, there's no reason why his work should become tamer -


No theres no reason why he should get tamer, but it is getting lighter and he'll continue to bang on about the same old themes in the same way until people stop caring.
 
  
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