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This week's (apparent dearth of) comics...

 
  

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Ganesh
16:07 / 10.01.02
Okay, so I'm talking specifically about the "mainstream" stuff here, but I'm wondering if I'm the only Barbeloid who wandered into his/her local comic shop today, drifted listlessly around the racks and drifted out again without buying anything at all. I hate leaving empty-handed but there just wasn't anything there that grabbed me.

The only thing I actively anticipate is Morrison's 'New X-Men' and, to a sli-i-ightly lesser extent, Milligan's 'X-Force'. Oh yeah, and 'Planetary' (bi-bloody-annually). I'll buy Moore's 'ABC' stuff if it's there, but find it faintly disappointing; I don't suppose I'm his target demographic...

Am I getting too old for this particular branch of the medium? Should I be look further afield for decent (meatier) independents?

(Oh yeah, and while I'm moaning, what the fuck's 'The Thessaliad'? Isn't it about time Vertigo stopped scrabbling for Gaiman's every discarded Endless wank-rag and tried ingesting some new blood?)
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:18 / 10.01.02
I hate leaving empty-handed but there just wasn't anything there that grabbed me.
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Actually, I feel the same way, and this includes the broad range of comics which come out weekly... with the exception of X-Force and NXM, I don't buy any comics which come out at anything close to a regular frequency (you think waiting for Planetary is rough---try being a Clowes/Tomine/Abel/Ware/etc fan!).

I go into the comics shop at least once a week (sometimes I just go into one out of boredom, or because I've never been in that one before---one of the perks of living in the land of a million comic shops, for sure), and sometimes I really do expect to have made some kind of purchase, but across the board, there are so few things that aren't in trade format that I would consider purchasing.

This week I picked up an issue of Spider-Man because I wanted to look at the pretty John Romita Jr. artwork. I didn't really enjoy the story so much, but lord, that guy is so good now. I also got a copy of the new issue of Strangers In Paradise, because it was a non-continuity change of pace issue which didn't have much to do with the regular characters, and that was appealing to me. Good stand alone issue, I liked it. It just made me wish Terry Moore would just start a new comic and ditch Katchoo/Francine etc. I just don't like those characters, and I never will. But I do like Terry Moore as a cartoonist.

I recently tried the first three issues of that Kissing Chaos comic, which I thought was kinda interesting to look at, but the story was really crap.

More often than not, I just don't get anything.... but I don't think it is my fault, really.

edited to say: oh yeah, I guess I do regularly purchase Ultimate X-Men and The Authority too. whoops.

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Sandy Haired Bruce Wayne
16:28 / 10.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Flux = The Man Who Loves You:
This week I picked up an issue of Spider-Man because I wanted to look at the pretty John Romita Jr. artwork. I didn't really enjoy the story so much, but lord, that guy is so good now.


Man, JRjr has always been top notch. One of the most underrated (and hardest working) artists in the business.

I feel the same way about the lack of good reads, sometimes. Usually I just pick up something I would never even think of giving a shot. Or I rummage through the back issues and do the same thing. Especially good are the quarter bins.

Still, there's more good material being published right now then in any time in the history of comics (I'm including reprints here). The only time I'm really, completely stuck is when I want a very specific type of comic. Damn it, why aren't there more Western comcis.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:36 / 10.01.02
I've always respected JRJR, he's always been a competant artist, but lately, as of the past year and a half, he's really come into his own, his storytelling, design sense, background and character drawing, his drawing style...it's all come together in this really fantastic way. He's outdone himself, I think.

I just wish he'd go off and do something more interesting than Hulk and Spider-Man...
 
 
Captain Zoom
16:42 / 10.01.02
Been noticing this myself. Time was I would get four or five books a week (it's a sickness I tell ya, a sickness!!), but now I'm lucky to have 2 or 3. I put this down to the fact that the books I like are not regular (not enough bran?). Planetary (where the fuck?), NXM, Authority, Amazing Spider-Man are all suffering from shipping problems, as are 7 Guys of Justice and some other small-press stuff I like. The stuff that ships regularly seems very "assembly-line" to me. Even stuff by "good" writers, like Ennis or Bendis, is just run-of-the-mill super-stuff.

I shy away from the out-growing the genre idea, as I don't believe that any genre is inherently predisposed to being outgrown. Pick up a Previews catalogue every month and you'll see that there are more comics in there than you could possibly read, ever. I try to order at least one oddball thing every month, just so I can see if there is something of some value out there.

Suggestions: Liberty Meadows by Frank Cho, pub. by Insight Studios. Comic Book, published by Comics Conspiracy (first 5 issues soon to be collected in "Trade Paperback"). Girl Genius by Phil Foglio. Battle Pope from Funk-O-Tron.

I'm trying to cut down on my mainstream stuff because I begin to feel I'm just getting it for the sake of getting it, rather than I look forward to it. I think the trouble is that you've got to find somewhere that offers a good variety of comics. I know first hand how hard it is to keep well-stocked. No matter how much I'd like it to be different, Marvel sells to the kids, DC to the twenty-somethings and Image to the art-lovers. That's about how I can break down my sales. Indie stuff doesn't sell well, hence many places won't carry it. I still will, but that may end up being the death of this place.

Mainstream comics have been slowly going downhill for decades. I think it hasn't been noticed because every now and then a really great comic will come along that makes the whole lot of them look good. Look how many of us bought Uncanny X-Men because it was part of the same re-vamp that gave us Milligan's X-Force and Morrison's X-Men. But really it was just the same old crap. I'm no different, as I'm still holding out hope that Casey's going to pull out something cool.

True that about the Gaiman rejects. I never even liked that character.

ABC is alright. Top Ten was great even, but I've not enjoyed much else. Alan Moore's "new" Glory series is quite good, though I think only really enjoyable if you're familiar with the rest of this Awesome output, and if you can get past the god-awful Avatar art.

There ya go, Ganesh. If you want to find a really good mainstream super-hero comic, and it might not be easy, track down Alan Moore's run on Supreme. #'s 41 - 56, and then Supreme:The Return #1 - 6. Absolutely bloody stellar comics.

Final thought. I rarely leave a comic shop empty handed. If nothing else I go to the cheap bin, pull out the strangest thing there is and get it. Sadly I usually end up understanding why it was in the cheap stuff.

Zoom.

p.s. sorry, just re-read this post and it seems very disjointed. Not sure if I really addressed what you were talking about.

p.p.s gonna stop apologizing now.
 
 
Ganesh
16:46 / 10.01.02
There's almost no comics artist out there whose work I'd buy regardless of who was writing for them - Dave McKean, Quitely (ish), Mike Mignola (possibly) - but there're writers I'll follow through the shittiest of collaborations. I guess if I was more stunned by impressive artwork, I might've found more stuff to buy...
 
 
Captain Zoom
16:50 / 10.01.02
Ha.
I just re-read the topic, and realized I'd misread it as "death of) comics..."

JRJR has an excellent, super-hero free silent story in the "A Moment of Silence" book. Excellent stuff.

Zoom.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:51 / 10.01.02
For me, Uncanny X-Men is a guilty pleasure because it's got that 'trainwreck' appeal to it, I just am baffled by the all of the awful choices which are made, which are balanced by good intentions (like, for example, having most of the covers look sorta interesting, and have a different look every month... )

Casey will have an idea which will seem alright, but the follow-through will be god awful, the dialogue is terrible, the cast is so poorly chosen that it's amazing that he ever got editorial clearance... but then, it does seem like he got the table scraps after Grant and Chris picked their line-ups.

The artwork is drastically inconsistent, alternating nearly every other issue between straight-ahead superhero comic art and weirder, dark scratchy artwork... now they have two regular pencillers, Ron Garney and Sean Phillips. What are they thinking? Those two artists don't look anything alike, they don't appeal to the same people, so they will alienate two sides of the audience... why?

I just can't believe that they haven't tried retooling the comic, or yanking Casey yet...any tv network would be reworking that comic a few times over by now, regardless of solid sales.

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Sandy Haired Bruce Wayne
16:52 / 10.01.02
There's no denying that JRjr just keeps getting better and better. I was just pointing out that this shouldn't diminish his earlier work.

So far as outgrowing the genre goes, I've pondered that one myself. I think that the more comics you read, the more great comics you'll have experienced, and the harder it will be for current comics to compete. Hell, I remember picking up just about anything and getting my 75 cents worth. These days I'm much more critical. That's why I tend to hunt down the best comics from any era. It widens my choices.
 
 
Captain Zoom
16:56 / 10.01.02
I agree Ganesh. I hate to open what may be an unpleasant can of worms, but do comics seem to be sliding back to the point where artists are more revered than writers, a la the early nineties Marvel crew? I'm not saying writers are more important, but a lot of books are sold now on their artists (Silvestri returns!) or style of art (fully computer rendered). Surely the model of Morrison/Quitely X-Men should be the one to follow, where the art and the story are equals.

Zoom.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:01 / 10.01.02
You think so? From all I ever read in the fan press/comics press, it seems like it's writers who are top dog now, folks like Morrison, Millar, Bendis, Ellis, Waid, Ennis, Kelly, Johns, Casey, Loeb, Straczynski, Kevin Smith... those are the guys putting 'asses in seats'.

Hm.

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Captain Zoom
17:41 / 10.01.02
ahh, y'know, you're right. Probably should have thought that one through a bit better.

Zoom.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:13 / 10.01.02
yeah... weak Week...

Picked up that Tasiliad crap... always loved Shawn Mcmanus's art & thought I would give it a try considering the choices... Blech

Amazing Spiderman... nice read... JRJR is ROCKING!!! JMS... is doing well, nice read.

GLORY Picked it Up... read like a Promethea story sideways... with lesser art.

Detective well.. yeah it sort of a guilty pleasure... like Uncanny, but Rucka's crime stuff is enjoyable... & the art usually pleased.

Adventures of Superman errr... still not sure why I bought it... I guess I'm still trying to figure out this Casey dude... He did a great Wildcats...but was that it?

ZOOM... tell me more about Comic Conspiracy's COMIC BOOK I almost did some coloring for one of his books a few years back, still run into him on occasion.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:16 / 10.01.02
I'm baffled with Casey across the board, because what I saw of WildCATS I thought was total crap too... how is it this guy has become such a big name when it seems like he has few real fans, and his work is generally quite lame? How did he manage to be simultaneously be writing Action Comics and Uncanny X-Men? That's a pretty big deal...
 
 
Captain Zoom
18:28 / 10.01.02
Comic Book (solicited in Previews as "The Generic Comic Book") has no ads, starts on the inside cover, ends on the back cover, and is full of every super-hero cliche imaginable. #'s 4 and 5 were a two-parter about the evil genius trying to destroy the city with a giant robot while the hero tries to stop him. Not laugh out loud funny, but clever enough that I keep buying them.

Zoom.

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Matthew Fluxington
18:32 / 10.01.02
Oh, I've seen that. Any and all goofy superhero spoofs like that just fall flat with me, it's a cheap easy laugh that's been done to death. Without exception, it's just rehashing the same jokes...
 
 
Captain Zoom
18:42 / 10.01.02
Also. Funny you should mention that about Glory PATricky. I'm convinced that a lot of the ideas in Promethea and Tom Strong would have found their way into Glory and Supreme if Awesome hadn't folded. Shame about the art, 'cause Brandon Peterson was supposed to do the art in the original series. A small taste of it is available in the prelude #0. I'm kind of stoked about this series. The Melinda Gebbie flashback sequences are great, and used a little differently than in Supreme. Moore's inner monologue for a schizophrenic woman is good too, though having little experience in that field, I'm not sure of it's accuracy. I really fell in love with Moore's Awesome universe. It's nice to have a small peek back inside it.

Zoom.

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Matthew Fluxington
18:55 / 10.01.02
question for Zoom: why has Amazing Spider-Man been so late? I'm surprised, because JRJR is a very fast penciller, he's apparently capable of doing two and a half full comics per month, so I have trouble believing that it's his fault....what's up?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:32 / 10.01.02
theres a big fat 'tribute' comic, 200 odd pages by'alternative' artists paying tribute to 911. interesting? could be.

and the marvel tribute effort as well. these are curios worth checking out - a kevin smith (pish writer I know) wordless strip in the marvel comic actualy moved me a little. which is difficult in glasgow's forbidden planet cos it's always fuckin rammed - shoulder to shoulder indeed.

bored? checkuot some trades. trangehaven - hated it when I bought a single issue. loved it when I bougfht the trade. then went out and bought the next trade. getting into trades now.

then back issues: get judgemnt day by Alan moore. luv it.

and theres a little alan moore guide book which has just come out. strange.

that's a bout it I'm afraid.
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:07 / 11.01.02
On Casey:

yes baffeling... started buying his Wildcats midway through his run then cought up with some trades...

Checked out some of his Mr Majestic and it was OK... though it's pretty much what Superman's become now...

Otherwise his writing is pretty infuriating.

Didn't marvel publish a GENERIC COMIC wayyy back in the 80's???

On GLORY:
The best part was the Comic with-in a comic interlude... All this talk my have me searching for some Supreme back issues...
 
 
Captain Zoom
09:48 / 11.01.02
Flux - blame JMS. He's got some new TV series coming out which is undoubtedly paying more than ASM.

yawn - the 911 Emergency Releif is really good. I had to stop reading it as I started to tear up in the middle of the store. Taking it home to finish, maybe keep. Strangehaven - true that, yo! Ditto for Judgement Day. What is this Alan Moore guide book you speak of?

PATricky - do it! Do it now! Granted, when I managed to find them, the Supreme issues set me back CDN $70. But it's worth every fucking penny. I've read the series about 8 times since completing it a couple of years ago. Any of Moore's Awesome U stuff is worth reading.

Other thing that came out this week was the Transformers: End of the Road GN. Collects the final arc in the US comic. Quite excellent in a nostalgic way.

Zoom.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:48 / 11.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Captain Zoom:
Flux - blame JMS. He's got some new TV series coming out which is undoubtedly paying more than ASM.




Oh come on! Are you trying to tell me that JMS' plots/scripts for Spider-Man REALLY take anything more than a day or two to slap together? PLEASE!

That's just ridiculous.
 
 
moriarty
09:48 / 11.01.02
Well, you did ask...

I remember Neil Gaiman saying that he took a full day for every page of Sandman he scripted. Maybe Spidey is a tougher subject to tackle then we ever imagined.



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Matthew Fluxington
09:48 / 11.01.02
I can see a Sandman script taking a long time to write, but JMS Spider-Man is essentially just a knock off of any number of formulaic tv dramas, anyone with even the slightest bit of writing talent could bang that stuff out in their sleep...

If the guy is having such a problem meeting deadlines, why don't they just pull the NXM trick and get a few fill-ins? I really don't think it matters who is writing Spider-Man so long as JRJR draws it, the guy is such a pro, he'd more than compensate for the shortcomings of any hack writer they threw at him. The poor lad did just suffer through a year or two of Dan Jurgens on Thor, right?
 
 
moriarty
09:48 / 11.01.02
Yep. Believe so.

Did you ever read the amalgam comic Thorion? Keith Giffen and JRjr take Kirby's concept of Thor's Ragnarok bridging with The Rise of the New Gods and fly with it in just one issue. You should hunt it down.

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Matthew Fluxington
09:48 / 11.01.02
quote:Originally posted by moriarty:
Did you ever read the amalgam comic Thorion? Keith Giffen and JRjr take Kirby's concept of Thor's Ragnarok bridging with The Rise of the New Gods and fly with it in just one issue. You should hunt it down.


I can't figure out whether or not that idea thoroughly repulses me, or if I think it sounds great. I'm really on the fence with this one.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
09:48 / 11.01.02
The writer says that he's delivered the plots for issues up to #39...but the scripts? He avoided that.

Plots prolly take an hour or so, but scripting the finished art porlly takes a day or two, and if you are in TV, you spend more time in meetings than anything.

Besides, most of Marvel's books are painfully late. The Marvel Knights double book is supposed to have the fourth issue out this week...and the first hasn't shipped yet.
 
 
moriarty
09:48 / 11.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Flux = The Man Who Loves You:


I can't figure out whether or not that idea thoroughly repulses me, or if I think it sounds great. I'm really on the fence with this one.


You can probably pick it up for a quarter, like most of the other amalgam titles. I thought it was a crazy ol' romp, and of all the amalgam titles it's the only one I can think of that actually has something to do with the workings of both titles, since Kirby envisioned the Old Gods to be the Asgardian Gods.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:48 / 11.01.02
See, for me the conflict is my total disinterest/distate for both Thor and the New Gods vs. the intriguing concept of Keith Giffen and John Romita Jr. working together...
 
 
bio k9
09:48 / 11.01.02
Did those invisibles issues show up yet?
 
 
sleazenation
09:48 / 11.01.02
picked up the marvel tribute comic. some fine emotional storytelling. And a 'hulk smash puny muslim's' poster page that neatly pisses on them. Not in a good way.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:48 / 11.01.02
quote:Originally posted by biomagnetic k9:
Did those invisibles issues show up yet?


yup! thank you very much. I just got them late last night, I had them shipped to my parents house, I haven't been up here for about a week now, so there was a bit of lag time. apparently, it arrived on Monday, if you were wanting to guage the effectiveness of the USPS...
 
 
Captain Zoom
13:16 / 11.01.02
I don't know how much time it takes for JMS to complete a script, but his other two "monthly" books, Midnight Nation and Rising Stars, are also terribly late.

Midnight Nation is definately worth a look.

Zoom.
 
 
Alasdair
13:29 / 11.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Ganesh v4.2:

Am I getting too old for this particular branch of the medium? Should I be look further afield for decent (meatier) independents?


I'm finding myself buying more and more stuff from Oni Press these days. They do a good range of material covering just about anything, and just about everything they publish is at least worth a look.

And, a mildly self-serving plug, but The Shipping Forecast at Ninth Art has been a help to me in finding other stuff. We came up with it because we were having trouble finding stuff to buy each week ourselves.
 
 
bio k9
18:36 / 11.01.02
[b]I just got them late last night...[b]

No more complaining about this weeks comics from you then.
 
  

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