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Millar/Authority

 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
21:13 / 19.12.01
Guns n Runces inspired me to ask about Mark Millar.

Does anyone think he's a good writer? His run on Authority is driving me bonkers.

What's the feeling about him, and it?
 
 
Jack Fear
11:46 / 20.12.01
I think Mark Millar needs the right vehicle.

He is shamelessly retro in that, like Morrison, he loves the history and the gaudiness of comics. That's why his AUTHORITY is so radically different in tone from Ellis's: Ellis has a commingled contempt and grudging respect for the superhero subgenre, which shows in the deconstructed genre tropes of his run.

Millar genuinely loves superheroes, though, so his AUTHORITY never transcends the genre the way that Ellis's did. His AUTHORITY is a smart-alecky, profane, sadistic superhero book, but a superhero book nonetheless. The current storyline is a generic team-book story: it could just as easily be the X-Men, or the JLA.

His run on SWAMP THING, though, was by turns genuinely creepy and genuinely touching, and chock-full of cool ideas--which leads me toi believe that his current AUTHORITY and Marvel projects are the works of a man who's working below his abilities.

Of course, I haven't seen any of his creator-owned work, so I cannot judge how he writes when he's not servicing a corporate trademark: for many writers, this makes a huge difference.

[ 20-12-2001: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]
 
 
lentil
12:21 / 20.12.01
personally i love millar's authority, i have to admit that i read it before the ellis stuff (it was the frank quitely cover on millar's first one that attracted me) but i think he does as much with it as ellis did (mind you i haven't read the storyline where they killed god), it's a bit like Tom Strong, saying ok, superheroes are ridiculous and gaudy and how can they ever be taken seriously (inasmuch as they evr could) post watchmen, dkr etc., lets reinstate the heroism and invulnerability but take the last 20 yrs development on board. The pleasure derived from millar's work is the same as from any classic superhero comic. Yeah so they've been fucked over by the establishment rather than by Dr Doom or whatever, and they're all crazy drugtakers and shit, but what I want is that geeky "OH YES SOME ASS IS GOIN TO BE KICKED" feeling, and when i saw Midnighter standing on the last page of the most recent issue saying "You just pissed off the wrong bastard" then boy do I get it!
apologies for the incoherence of this posting.
 
 
Captain Zoom
13:40 / 20.12.01
Millar's recent run on Vampirella was awful. I enjoyed his three-issue Flash thing. I'm dying to get the rest of Swamp Thing 'cause it rocks, but Ult X is droppin from my list, and The Authority is just intriguing because it took so long to come out. I'm really looking forward to Red Son, since, as Jack says, Millar loves super-heroes, and this project sounds like it's very close to his heart.

Oh, and his fill-in JLA issue was excellent.

Zoom.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:21 / 21.12.01
I think Millar writes really fun comics. He throws in a lot of lefty ideas and cyncism, but his strength is really in making slick action stories with a lot of ridiculously overamped drama. I generally think that his name attached to a superhero comic is a guarantee for quality power fantasy fun, so I regularly read Ultimate X-Men (though I accidentally bought the new issue that he didn't write because, well, I didn't know that til I bought the damned thing), Authority, and soon, The Ultimates.

Based on what he's said about the comic in interviews, The Ultimates sounds really good. Which I never thought I'd say about an Avengers comic.

Personally, as far as superheroes go, I'd say that I like him about equal with Warren Ellis - I think the two are fairly interchangeable when writing superheroes -, maybe on par with Joe Kelly too. but not nearly as great as Grant Morrison, Peter Milligan, or Alan Moore.

God, I hope Flyboy jumps in with some bits from his excellent yet-to-be-published zine article on Millar's Authority. He's got a lot of great points about Millar's strengths and weaknesses.

[ 21-12-2001: Message edited by: Flux = 'Coltrane' ]
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:25 / 21.12.01
His Swamp thing ROCKED!!!

His JLA fill in was cool...

I've been digging his Authority

but his Ultimate X-men is only OKay for me...

what's RED SON???
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:25 / 21.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Flux = 'Coltrane':
God, I hope Flyboy jumps in with some bits from his excellent yet-to-be-published zine article on Millar's Authority. He's got a lot of great points about Millar's strengths and weaknesses.


Hey, thanks Flux... I've got in on the laptop at home and haven't had the chance to post from there since this thread started: I'm kind of chomping at the bit here...

(Tom or anyone else wondering where the article is: I've decided to wait until Millar's run is out and done with before I finish it. Oh, and it's probably going to be in two parts... Anyway, I will cut-n-paste lots of it here first...)

Millar's problem, basically, is that he thinks he's so much more radical and clever and progressive than he really is...

[ 21-12-2001: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
lentil
11:59 / 21.12.01
Millar's problem, basically, is that he thinks he's so much more radical and clever and progressive than he really is...

good point. but is he really trying to make us all think that he's so radical etc.? the leftwing ideas and whatever always take a backseat to the action; you have jack hawksmoor on tv talking about how the authority are going to go around the world doing whatever they want to corrupt governments etc, and just while you're thinking how dodgy it could all become (their sort of unchecked authoritarianism is only acceptable to us because we know that they're 2d characters who, in the classic superhero tradition, are unwaveringly good), a genetically engineered redneck appears to suck you into a fast-moving story leaving all those 'difficult issues' on the back burner where, you sense, millar wants to keep them. maybe the most radical or surprising thing he could do with them would be to have them become as bad as the people they've been fighting, drunk on their own power and losing sight of any kind of moral rectitude
 
 
Captain Zoom
13:11 / 21.12.01
patricky - red son is an elseworlds story in which kal-el crashes in communist russia instead of rural kansas.

mmmmmm......marx

Zoom.

p.s. I know, but it was a funny joke.
 
 
troy
22:03 / 21.12.01
quote:maybe the most radical or surprising thing he could do with them would be to have them become as bad as the people they've been fighting, drunk on their own power and losing sight of any kind of moral rectitude[/QB]

Actually, I think it would be more interesting if they forced ideas upon the world which they thought were right (and probably many would agree with them). But, of course, you can't please everyone, not matter how right you are (or think you are). So, inevitably, there would be constant rebellions against any changes they would force on countries. (Though, I suppose, Squadron Supreme already touched upon some of these areas in the 80's). In any event, I not sure how interesting the "drunk on power" trip would be. The proof would be in the execution, I guess. As I say, though, I'd rather see them do the "right" things (as they see them anyway) and still be fucked.
 
 
troy
22:11 / 21.12.01
And, by the way, Warren's Authority left me totally cold. I enjoyed his Stormwatch. I enjoy Planetary. I enjoy Millar's Authority. But Warren's Authority? Didn't do it for me, and I'll be damned if I can articulate why. Then again, I didn't care much for Morrison's JLA, either. Maybe I just don't like the wide-screen spectacle stuff much. Too many shots you're supposed to marvel at that I couldn't give two shits about.
 
 
sleazenation
12:32 / 22.12.01
Again the beighn dictatorship angle was covered (with less ultraviolence admittedly) in Miracleman. As for the Authority's interventionist policies and celebrity status... i THink Authority 13 has more than a little in common with Youngblood 1....
 
 
troy
15:08 / 22.12.01
Right, right, forgot about Miracleman (a rather large brain fart, considering how much I love that series).

Can't comment on Youngblood #1, though, as I only read the few Alan Moore issues.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:13 / 23.12.01
Other than the scale, there wasn't that much of note about Ellis' 'Authority' (what about... an army of genetically cloned supermen? What about, an alternate earth with a big guy who looks like a blue man-goat?) Even the God one is only impressive for the scale Ellis wants to work on (and which the art manages to spectacularly fail to deliver on). Of the four stories in the two trades only the Millar one hints at possibly a new direction but from what I've heard from people discussing the issues since that on here, he doesn't do anything particularly exciting either.
 
 
glassonion
12:32 / 24.12.01
i said MANIAC 5 you deaf cunts.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
18:42 / 04.01.02
I seem to have a major problem with Ellis. Liked the idea of Transmet, bought it, didn't get on with it. Nothing seemed to be done with the initial intriguing concept. It was just here we are, this is what we do, we turn up have a look and then go away again. Loved the idea of Planetary, though a bit depressed the antagonists had super powers. Bought that didn't get on with it. I think it's his writing style.

Anyway largely because everyone here always seems to be going on about it I bought issue 27 of the Authority (Millar) and quite enjoyed it. I liked the idea of it. Interested in the handling of some of the issues it bought up and liked the idea of a G7 super hero team as antagonists. Now seeing this thread in it's infancy I decided to take another Ellis related gamble with my money and bought the first TPB. Bit of a dissapointment.

Can someone please explain what the big deal is about this title? What is Morrison raving on about in his intro? What's supposed to be original about this title? Superheros as celebrities? Covered in a lot of mainstream superhero titles and in the case of say something like the New Statesmen in Crisis, that at least had something to say on the nature of celebrity. The two story arcs seemed to be hackneyed and done to death, with an unpleasant emphasis on rape camps. What? Token homosexuals, seems more offensive than groundbreaking. Substance abuse? Off the top of my head Daredevil and even fucking Iron Man managed this. I had high hopes for the Jack Hawksmoor character, I thought it was agreat idea for a character but as far as I can tell he is just used as a strong man, what a waste. Can anyone explain to my why Ellis is considered anything more than a very average comic hack? Actually that is a bit unfair, he's a good ideas man but he doesn't seem to know what to do with them.

[ 04-01-2002: Message edited by: The resistable rise of Reidcourchie ]
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:14 / 04.01.02
For Flux, as promised:

Disrespecting Mark Millar’s Authority

“Two whores, a junkie, a couple of sissies, and a moron who can’t even tie his own shoelaces wants to tell the rest of the world how they should be living their lives? It’d be funny if it wasn’t so goddamned tragic.”
- The Commander, The Authority 14

Under the tenure of Warren Ellis, The Authority was described by Grant Morrison as taking the traditional superhero team "to the next level": it pioneered high-octane, so-called “widescreen” comics, crazed blockbuster action with all the restraints off and the volume turned up to 11. What Mark Millar has done in his subsequent run on the book, or so it has been claimed, is to take the superhero genre in a further new direction: one that explores the wider ramifications of a group of individuals with godlike powers who want to do the right thing. His Authority are not satisfied with merely preserving the status quo from world-threatening menaces: they want to change the world, and build a finer one in its place. And fortunately for fans of massive property damage and brutal ultraviolence, this is one superhero team who believe that end justifies just about any means.

Millar's limitations as a writer are sometimes painfully clear: a tendency to leave gaping plot holes, for example, or the fact that all his characters tend to speak in the same patented Mark Millar fashion (lots of adjectives, a blasé attitude towards incredible events and horrible violence, a sick sense of humour and often ill-fitting British slang). Yet in spite of this, he has made The Authority consistently the most entertaining comic in its class for the duration of his run to date. There’s no denying that the combination of sick humour, inventive concepts and action on a massive scale is satisfying on a purely visceral level. However, fans of the book frequently maintain that part of its appeal lies in the fact that the book has a strong political element. That it deals with real world issues, and explores the political ramifications of the existence of a group of individuals with godlike powers – and their own agenda.

But what is that agenda? What are the politics of The Authority the team and The Authority the comic book? One point of view is that The Authority are, essentially, the mythical "liberal elite" that the right-wing talk about and fear so much (in fact a team of Authority analogues who appeared in a recent Superman comic went by the name of 'The Elite'). They have left-wing, socially liberal ideals but they back them up with totalitarian force. They are, in other words, some people's idea of wish-fulfilment: what if there were super-people, and what if they agreed with us and put right all that we believe is wrong with the world? It's worth noting that this is how Superman started out: Jerry Siegel and Joe Shushter wanted a hero who would stand up to and overthrow the Nazis, and anyone else who oppressed the weak.

[GAP]

“Why do superheroes never go after the real bastards?” asks a rarely-used narrator in the first panel of Millar’s debut issue of The Authority, just before we see the team violently depose the regime and execute the government of a thinly-veiled Indonesia. Later on, we see them make the Russians pull out of Chechnya and the Chinese pull out of Tibet using threats and intimidation.

[this bit still in random thoughts format]
Is it really so radical to have the “real bastards” be the despotic leaders of third-world nations?

After all, the most notorious popular radical movement of our time sees its main enemy not as governments, but corporations. [/random thoughts]

In one of the series’ momentary pauses in between fights scenes and mass destruction, The Midnighter questions Jack Hawksmoor’s newly found and ostentatious wealth: “Kind of odd accoutrements for a self-proclaimed post-human revolutionary, don’t you think?” The leader of The Authority’s answer to this is that he’s made the corporations agree to reverse their policy of exploiting third-world workers in exchange for paying him to plug their brands. Which begs the question, why didn’t The Authority just point the Carrier’s guns at Nike and tell them where to stuff their sweatshops, ie use the same tactics we see them using to force the Russians out of Cheyna and the Chinese out of Tibet in the very same issue? Or do Western capitalist corporations warrant negotiation and compromise in a manner that the heads of nations who might still crop up as villains in a Hollywood movie do not? It would seem that in fact The Authority’s leader is just as willing to be bought by big business as the likes of George W. Bush or Tony Blair.

Even worse is Hawksmoor’s remark about not showing the riot cops who to hit by “dressing like a bum” or wearing “ethnic-style piercing[s]”: it’s facile, reactionary and above all disingenuous, because Jack Hawksmoor is the god of cities, and so will never have to worry about getting hit by a police baton in his life. Sat in his luxury home, ruling the world, the idea that his chosen attire of designer clothes is somehow more subversive than whatever the people on the barricades are wearing would be laughable if it wasn’t so offensive: indeed, by characterising those who hold progressive or libertarian views in this manner, Millar is falling back on the familiar and tired “smelly unwashed anarchist” stereotype so beloved of the Daily Mail.

[GAP]

"I think landing The Authority has let me rediscover my radicalism. I had a lovely time writing the mainstream superhero stuff after Swamp Thing, but my origins in comics are a little more dangerous. All my earliest work features babies being buggered, priests being burned, etc, etc, etc. It's tremendously liberating to work on a book where I can write superheroes for what are essentially Preacher fans."

- Mark Millar

It's a telling comment. Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon's Preacher has much to recommend it, but barely attempts anything resembling incisive political satire or constructive social commentary (despite what the more fervent Ennis acolytes may tell you).


[GAP]


In Millar's hands Apollo becomes something of a queen, with his long silver hair, pouting pretty boy ‘Richard Gere’ looks and light-hearted banter, whilst Midnighter is a leather-clad macho sadist with decidedly psycho-sexual overtones. They fit the archetypal butch and femme roles perfectly. Once these roles have been established, it’s more than a little worrying that bad things, up to and including sexual assault, keep happening to Apollo – he's in danger of being just another superhero’s girlfriend in need of being rescued, yet another feminine victim in a boy’s own world. Midnighter on the other hand is so full of testosterone it's a joke: "Just find me something I can hit!" He may sometimes find alternative solutions to just hitting things very hard, such as when he talks down Tank Man, but on one level he’s the least queer man on the planet: there’s no destabilised masculinity here, no questioning of gender roles. It’s telling that a number of fans have even chosen to see Midnighter and Apollo not as gay men per se, just two guys who happened to spend so long on the run and fighting for their lives with each other that one thing led to another. It would be nice to think that this was a particularly progressive mode of thought along the lines of Gore Vidal’s “there are no homosexuals, just homosexual acts” theory, but in reality it’s far more likely to be an example of the comic book reader’s capacity for denial: just like all the fanboys who refused to believe that Warren Ellis’ subtler Midnighter and Apollo were gay at all, even when he was dropping hints left, right and centre.

The book’s sexual politics become even more dubious when one considers how Millar writes the women in the team. Shen (aka Swift), Angie (aka The Engineer) and retroactively the team’s deceased leader, Jenny Sparks, are all given bisexual tendencies, as well as a tendency towards free and easy sexual relations (in what is by no means the first salacious and offensive association of the two attributes). So the Authority consists of two gay men in a tightly-knit, presumably monogamous and so conveniently non-threatening relationship, two straight men and two bisexual, available women. It sounds like a straight liberal man’s fantasy – which is, of course, exactly what it is. And that’s fine as far as it goes, since superhero comics have always been an exercise in wish-fulfilment and power fantasies and to an extent always will. But one has to ask: does the "finer world" The Authority are working towards consist of anything more than one long drug-fuelled orgy?

[GAP]

There is no moral consistency in Millar's Authority: it's never explained, for example, why Midnighter feels the need to kill the Beast-analogue in issue #16 after he's let Tank Man (who blew up a maternity ward full of bouncing babies, lest we forget) walk away in issue #14. It's important to remember the role of the artists in the comic's change in tone. Bryan Hitch, drawing heavily on the style of Alan Davis at least where faces and figures are concerned, renders The Authority with a certain nobility and classical grace. Frank Quitely's style, on the other hand, is almost grotesquely parodic. Under his pen, for example, Apollo isn't Hitch’s slender young god but a hulking, musclebound hunk. This is one of the reasons why it’s so tempting to read the Millar / Quitely take on Authority as a dark, blackly funny parody – and yet Millar himself has made it pretty clear on the Authority messageboards and elsewhere that this isn’t how he’s writing it at least primarily, that he’s firmly in the “go Authority!” camp.


But this is just symptomatic of a bigger, deeper problem: namely that however hard Millar ties to make it work, the superhero model he is using simply will not serve as a framework for a serious political message. It serves as a perfectly good framework for a lot of other messages: for example, what’s wrong with superhero comics today. It’s worth pointing out that as an allegory of the state of mainstream superhero comics, and a powerful, almost magical statement of intent, 'The Nativity' is a work of genius. In Kreigstein's battle with, and eventually recuperation by The Authority, we see Mark Millar laying out a new superhero paradigm – one which renders the old order obsolete, breaks all the genre's supposed rules, and yet still finds a way to incorporate the original ideas that made companies like Marvel great in the first place.
The only problem is that outside of the comics industry, all this means less than nothing. And that’s the problem: The Authority is only a strongly subversive, political comic relative to the accepted norm for superhero comics. A close reading of the politics of the Authority is impossible, because on closer inspection, the politics of both team and comic fall apart: like the comic colouring schemes of old, all we can see if we peer in closely is the gaps. In the final analysis, there is no coherent political ideology at the heart of the Authority, and the Authority has no politics to speak of. It’s just big dumb fun: albeit big dumb fun for people who smoke dope and might wear a Che Guevera t-shirt. In other words, outside the ultraconservative world of comics fandom, it’s as mainstream as they come.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
00:56 / 05.01.02
quote:Originally posted by The resistable rise of Reidcourchie:
Can anyone explain to my why Ellis is considered anything more than a very average comic hack? Actually that is a bit unfair, he's a good ideas man but he doesn't seem to know what to do with them.


I think that the real honest answer to the question is that a) the man writes and says a lot of very smart things about the industry, so people just go with the notion that since he is a good critic, he is also a good writer and b) the man has a huge cult of personality.

Personally, I like Ellis mostly for his critical writing and the 12 issues of The Authority which I enjoyed. Everything else I've ever read by the man, including Transmetropolitan and Planetary, I think has a few good ideas and witty dialogue here and there, but is generally quite dull and hackish. I also believe the man to be a hypocrite...for all his talk about hating superheroes, he still runs off and does shit like Planetary. I mean, really.

I do find it somewhat ridiculous that he is considered to be in the same class of comics writers as Alan Moore, Grant Morrison, Neil Gaiman, and Peter Milligan. Even Mark Millar is ahead of him, really.

I would consider Warren Ellis' peers to be guys like Joe Casey, Joe Kelly, Jeph Loeb, Brian Michael Bendis, Brian Azzarello, and Mark Waid: guys who try to be ambitious, have some good ideas, but generally can't break free of being merely mainstream comics writers.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:53 / 05.01.02
1) Flyboy. That was a brilliant article.

2) I thought it was cheeky of Ellis to complain last year that Morrison, Millar et al were going off to write superhero comics and trying to portray himself as the great creator of original ideas, right after finishing work on plotting a load of X-Men books. Books which either were cancelled or dumped his ideas.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:01 / 05.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Lozt Cause:

2) I thought it was cheeky of Ellis to complain last year that Morrison, Millar et al were going off to write superhero comics and trying to portray himself as the great creator of original ideas, right after finishing work on plotting a load of X-Men books. Books which either were cancelled or dumped his ideas.


Well, I find it ridiculous that he would complain about 'everyone else' going off to write superhero comics when he's STILL writing Planetary, and everything else he was doing was sci-fi geekiness... It's a bit like a guy in Spock ears picking on someone for reading Spider-Man, you know?
 
 
Jack Fear
09:39 / 06.01.02
Fuck! Wrote a huge long reply, which UBB ate in a glitch... so I'll make this brief... quote:Originally posted by Flux = A Brain In Psychic Peril:
Well, I find it ridiculous that he would complain about 'everyone else' going off to write superhero comics...
Not about them doing superhero comics: about them doing company-owned superhero comics. quote:...when he's STILL writing Planetary.....in which he has a creator participation deal, meaning he gets a substantial chunk of the TPB sales... quote:...and everything else he was doing was sci-fi geekiness... Sci-fi geekiness that he owns outright.

Do you see the crux of Elllis' argument yet?

It's not an aesthetic argument at all: it's purely economic.

It baffles him (and me, frankly) that so many talented and creative people would accept (and, in some cases, pursue) assignments in which they are essentially day laborers, toiling on something which they do not own, on which they could be replaced instantly, on work of which they are not even considered the legal author--Marvel Enterprises is the author and sole copyright holder.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:39 / 06.01.02
It's not an aesthetic argument at all: it's purely economic.

well, that's not necessarily true. I've read many variations of Ellis making this argument, and he DOES have issues with them writing superhero comics, corporate owned or not.

It baffles him (and me, frankly) that so many talented and creative people would accept (and, in some cases, pursue) assignments in which they are essentially day laborers, toiling on something which they do not own, on which they could be replaced instantly, on work of which they are not even considered the legal author--Marvel Enterprises is the author and sole copyright holder.

Well, instead of pursuing an argument that suggests that there is a bit more dignity in writing the 'real deal' characters as opposed to 7th generation knock-offs like Ellis has written in The Authority and Planetary, and that save for *maybe* Spider
Jerusalem the man hasn't created a single original character in HIS CAREER, regardless of 'owning' them... which is a bit like saying "well, if you play guitar, you can rip off other people's riffs, and not have to pay royalties and get respected for 'writing' songs, so don't you dare go and make sample-based music with machines, because you'll have to pay royalties that way and that fact makes your work less relevant".

Instead, I shall say this in defense of Mark Millar and Grant Morrison: They got a great deal from Marvel, they have better job security than most freelancers, and a better paycheck too. I'm sure that in the present tense, the money that Grant Morrison makes from New X-Men is about the same as the money that Ellis makes from Transmetropolitan, because the enormous sales of New X-Men likely compensates from the high royalty rate that Ellis enjoys on his projects. But that's speculation...

Millar and Morrison (and Milligan too) chose to do the work they're doing, and it seems obvious that they enjoy it. Morrison does his fair share of creator owned work, it's not like he's a moron who doesn't know how this works...It's not as though these people are operating under the illusion that Marvel isn't using them...but I'd think that Morrison et al are using Marvel all the same.

It's hard for me not to think of Ellis as being a hack who's more interested in his royalty rate than anything else... I'm happy the guy is smart enough to figure out how to use the system to his best economic advantage, but I'd be happier if he wrote some decent work for a change. Planetary, Transmet, and Ministry of Space are all duds as far as I'm concerned. They all read like bad syndicated tv shows to me...
 
 
Big Talk
09:39 / 06.01.02
Cheers for the article Flyboy- I'm still trying to get my head around various things re: Millar's Authority.

what really dragged me in was East Timor- I mean, Timor dragged me into the Nader campaign + 'anti-globalization' protests (can we all say 'global justice'?)- hearing all the talk, the UN helping set up the election, + then seeing Dili empty + burned out + overrun by militia on BBC, hearing about people massacred + shipped to West Timor- it was the most horrifying thing possible, the ultimate cynical truth that no one was going anywhere or getting any democracy.

Now I think Millar's Authority can be seen in light of those events, much like Ellis' government conspiracy stuff- stormwatch, planetary, doom 2099- can be seen in light of CIA involvement in South America, the middle east etc- but its also a really good bit of media thinking. like Morrison, Millar is very good at predicting trends, reading the pulse of pop. I thought Millar was god.

not anymore- I'm disappointed with Ultimate X-men, I'm disappointed with Tom Peyer's Authority, I'm disappointed with the Millar/Adams return issue. I think he's riding high on the authority + hasn't done anything very original, or at all conceptual, since- except maybe give the X-men a B-3.

I would further posit that, as he seems to be legitimately engaged in the enthroning of a new kind of comix, super-hero or otherwise, Warren Ellis is far superior to Millar.
 
 
sleazenation
10:40 / 06.01.02
Before getting into flyboy's essay - one of the problems i have with ellis is he spends more time on 'initiatives' such as his largely ego fellating forum than he does on actually writing stuff.

how many issues of planetary did we get last year? Two. isn't that supposed to be a monthly title? Equally Ministry of Space is supposed to be a 3 issue mini what happened to issue 3? Avatar seem to be willing to accept any old shit from him just to get his name associated with their company (otherwise famous for bog standard tits and ass titles) and are planning to put out a franchise of titles spun out of a poor quality 3 issue miniseries he did for them a while back.
Ellis is a talented man who occasionally shows his gifts - but at the moment he appears to be just showing off how thinly he has streatched himself and how thw quality and quantity of his work has suffered...

back onto the essay - i haven't made detailed notes yet but somethings that sprang immedately to mind

For all its trumpeting of being an interventionist group that shatter's the superhero paradigm- Ellis Authority do seem to attack only the most mundane of foes- as flyboy points out - the emphasis is on the widescreen ultraviolence over anykind of political substance. Ironic indeed since his work-for-hire tenue of Authority predecesor stormwatch was far more engaged in global politics and interventionalist action - from CIA/black ops stuff to aiding french government's nuclear tests at a thinly disguised south pacific atoll.

The orginal Authority as put together by the high achive far more in 3 issues than jenny sparks authority do in 12.

moving on to Millar's Authority - his claim to engagement in world politics seems to stem from the first 5 pages of issue 13 (the authority intervening in East Timor) along with the off page withdrawels by China and Russia, presumably affraid of provoking the Authority's wrath.

But is this 5 page sequence any more elequent or less exploitative than Rob Lifeld's use of the gulf war as a backdro p in youngblood 1 (possibly one of the worst comics ever made)?Liefeld gives us a team of celibrity superhumans willing to take out whoever they don't like, or rather whoever they are told to by Uncle sam. The only difference between the two Youngblood serve the US the authority serve their own ethics - the ultra violence and lack of poitical depth (all we see of the Authority do in rebuilding the country is taking on refugees ) remain the same.

Like US foreign policy - the Authority appears not to be in the business of nation building. Perhaps it might actually be a little bit more paradigm shattering if it were.
 
 
Graeme McMillan
12:26 / 06.01.02
Completely random thoughts:

Nick:
“Does anyone think he's a good writer? His run on Authority is driving me bonkers.
What's the feeling about him, and it?”

I think he’s an okay writer who was in the right place at the right time, and was very lucky to have two high profile friends when he needed them. Warren Ellis offering him the Authority when he’d been fired from the Superman books was a Godsend, and I can’t help but feel that Grant Morrison might’ve been behind it more than slightly (certainly, it couldn’t have been Millar’s then-recent work that convinced Ellis. “Hmm, that issue of Superman Adventures definitely seems like the work of someone who can take over my self-proclaimed revolutionary superhero title. And that dialogue in whatever the comic Stuart Immonen plotted! Incredible!” What else had he been doing up until then? A JLA fill-in? Anything else within that year?)... His work on Authority was very exciting on the surface at the time - all one-liners and big explosions - but as soon as Quitely left and the gap set in, the momentum went and re-reading the issues showed the lack of anything worthwhile; the characterisation was almost non-existant, the plots were full of holes (especially the story with the evil Doctor; first two issues, we continually got “The Earth’s rebelling! There’s no-one behind it! We can’t hit anyone and we’ve got to use our heads!” and then it turned out that the Earth wasn’t rebelling, it was being told what to do by the evil Doctor, who they beat the fuck out’ve before he realised that - hey - killing was “wrong”) and the entire series was completely bereft of the “big widescreen ideas” we’d been promised. It was the comics equivalent of a Victoria Beckham single, basically.

Ultimate X-Men has shown the same problems, but more obviously, in my opinion. It looks embarassingly old-fashioned next to Grant’s NewXMen.

MC Lentil:
“maybe the most radical or surprising thing he could do with them would be to have them become as bad as the people they've been fighting, drunk on their own power and losing sight of any kind of moral rectitude.”

Wasn’t that what he’s doing? And what has been done before in Watchmen and, even before that, in *gasp* Marvel’s Squadron Supreme? And THAT was a radical fucking comic.

Flyboy:
Great article. Especially the random thoughts, and the comments about Hawksmoor’s line about “knowing who to hit”. And... “In Millar's hands Apollo becomes something of a queen, with his long silver hair, pouting pretty boy ‘Richard Gere’ looks and light-hearted banter, whilst Midnighter is a leather-clad macho sadist with decidedly psycho-sexual overtones.”

Am I the only person who thinks that Apollo and Midnighter are written very very badly by Millar? They seem to be written as stereotypes without any depth at all.

Ah well. It's only comics.
 
 
bastl b
14:04 / 06.01.02
flyboy, thanks for taking time and effort, was cool to read and mirrored my own feelings I had about the comic.

i only read the first ellis authority trade and resisted a long time (really disliked transmet, read the first five issues when it came out and thought it was a simplistic rip off and consructed m,lange of invisibles and preacher). I was intirgued because everyone consistently said it was good. when i asked what was good about it people pointed out that it was truly ultraviolent and political. then i read grant´s introduction and thought: "okay! transmet is pretentious shit but maybe he does it right with authority."

well, i think it is a highly enjoyable supero team book, well done and fast-paced and that´s about it. politics do get mentioned but not really followed through. at first it´s ambivalent and interesting, then you see there´s no further exploring of the topics and it´s just status quo in the end. mainstream stuff done nice but not earth shattering in my opinion.

ellis is a huge dissapointment for all the hype he gets. why people like alan moore and grant morrison would write introductions for him is beyond me when there´s so many really great comics out there who could use their names somewhere on them to sell them to fans like me. maybe they hold it up as examples of how superheroes could be releveant to a bigger audience because they are after all better crafted than most studd out there but I don´t think that fans of uthority become intrigued to try out other comic material.. just an opinion.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:04 / 06.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Flux = A Brain In Psychic Peril:
It's hard for me not to think of Ellis as being a hack who's more interested in his royalty rate than anything else...
I doubt he'd disagree with that assessment. I also doubt that he'd find anything objectionable in it. He's a guy doing his job, and he's not at all interested in being part of any starving avant-garde. quote:Originally posted by sleazenation:
...one of the problems i have with ellis is he spends more time on 'initiatives' such as his largely ego fellating forum...
...which has gone a long way towards creating and sustaining his large, loyal, and evangelical audience. There's more to being a writer--a professional writer, anyway--than just sitting down and writing. And if the publishers don't have a decent promotion mechanism set up--and I can't think of a single comics publisher that does--then who is there to do the job but Ellis himself? quote:...than he does on actually writing stuff. how many issues of planetary did we get last year? Two. isn't that supposed to be a monthly title? Equally Ministry of Space is supposed to be a 3 issue mini what happened to issue 3? Unfair, and either disingenuous or ill-informed. Health problems and production fuck-ups marked Ellis' 2001. And don't forget, he doesn't schedule the release dates of the books...

Sorry about the thread-rot, folks, but this shit drives me crazy.
 
 
sleazenation
16:06 / 06.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Jack Fear:
...which has gone a long way towards creating and sustaining his large, loyal, and evangelical audience.... if the publishers don't have a decent promotion mechanism set up--then who is there to do the job but Ellis himself?


Yep but in his current approach Ellis is producing lower quality work less frequently which is fine for a devout audience of uncritical fanatics, or perhaps his target is really the mainstream readership of the John Grisham novel.

Great for his bank balence possibly even great for the industry (or at least for his publishers who make some money of his work) but its hardly groundbreaking stuff.


quote: Unfair, and either disingenuous or ill-informed. Health problems and production fuck-ups marked Ellis' 2001. And don't forget, he doesn't schedule the release dates of the books...

I am unaware of any reports of Ellis' ill health - it appears not to have affected his transmet schedule, could you provide details?

But aside from that, wasn't Ellis aiming to complete all 24 scripts for planetary before January 2001 (allowing him to complete the at least the writing of a series about drawing a line under C20th culture before the start of the 21St)? It looks like he failed to do this since a lack of Planetary scripts has been given as a reason that Cassidy and Dupry have had to find work elsewhere?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:13 / 07.01.02
But Jack, don't you find being a hack to be, you know, a bit dishonorable?

Ellis has never been shy about the fact that he will eagerly do hackwork... I find that really disturbing. He doesn't HAVE to. But he does. And then he will get in lengthy arguments about how other people are wrecking the industry he works in with hackwork. What the hell?

He's a bit a hypocrite, don't you think?

For the record, I think Ellis' ability to market himself has been really well done, and he should be applauded for that. I just wish he'd, like, y'know, put his money where his mouth is when it comes to actually writing quality comics.

[ 07-01-2002: Message edited by: Flux = A Brain In Psychic Peril ]
 
  
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