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Grant Morrison = Alan Moore ?

 
 
Mr Wolfe
14:17 / 15.11.01
Invisibles vol I = Watchmen

marvel boy = from hell

Invisibles vol I + marvel boy = V for Vendetta

Sebastien O = League of Extraordinary Gents

Animal Man = Swamp Thing

zenith = miracle man
 
 
DaveBCooper
14:25 / 15.11.01
Uh, I dunno...
I've met them both, and they seem to be very different people (both intelligent, friendly and articulate, but in different ways).
Unless there's some Qys sparebody-stuff going on, that is.

DBC
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:44 / 15.11.01
quote:Originally posted by merciless_ming:
Animal Man = Swamp Thing

zenith = miracle man


These last two share similar themes. As for the rest... are you on crack? Evidence, please.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
14:48 / 15.11.01
Maybe I'm just an idiot, but what similarities do you find in Marvel Boy and From Hell?
 
 
Mr Wolfe
15:22 / 15.11.01
well . . . thematically/conceptually, anyway.
stylistically, they couldn't be more dissimilar.

from hell + marvel boy (+ V for V) are all about strong magic + fin-de-siecle.

invis vol I + Watchmen have that strong existential theme.

has moore ever specifically mentioned the 2012 date?- he certainly goes on about a singularity approaching in that 'alan moore, magician' interview.

Dave you name dropper.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
15:30 / 15.11.01
lots of things have strong themes about magic, fin de sciele, and existentialism. I'm wondering if you're planning on substantiating these analogies a bit more, cos otherwise, it's a very weak argument...
 
 
Mr Wolfe
15:50 / 15.11.01
V + Inv Vol. 1 both prominently feature a psychological break-thru + test of conviction for a reluctant protagonist.

the postmodern appropriation of literary + hitsorical figures + characters(tho this is Dave Sim's gag too).

constant secret society/conspiracy theory stuff.

its just that this stuff doesn't show up in many other pop-type comix. if you can find me the existential issue of iron man or Thor vs. the freemasons I'll take it all back.
 
 
Chuckling Duck
16:59 / 15.11.01
quote:Originally posted by merciless_ming:
has moore ever specifically mentioned the 2012 date?


Yes, in Promethea #12, as part of the explication of the "Aeon" card. Promethea has more in common with the Invisibles than Watchmen does.

I'll grant that they address some common themes, but I don't feel that Morrison has more in common with Moore than he does with, say, Ellis or Gaiman.

Who would you suppose has ingested the most drugs? I’m guessing Moore for quantity, Morrison for variety.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:40 / 15.11.01
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Hush
06:29 / 16.11.01
Grant Moore is Not Alan Morrison.

And Patricky?

The Me you refer is Me. I would guess.

[ 16-11-2001: Message edited by: Ian Jones is not Luke Wing ]
 
 
A
10:09 / 16.11.01
You know who Midas really is under that Iron man suit?

Queen Victoria.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:18 / 16.11.01
They've certainly dealt with similar themes: anarchy, postmodernism, magic and the 5th dimension, but I think attempts to draw direct comparisons between their books are doomed to fail.

[ 16-11-2001: Message edited by: yunrunce ]
 
 
Hush
11:00 / 16.11.01
Because their styles are so very different.
 
 
rizla mission
13:07 / 16.11.01
ahem.

Well Ming, I think all this vague and obsessive Morrison/Moore comparing is a load of pish and hooey, and you can tell that to the folks back on Mongo too.

Little more valid than, say, trying to prove that all Shakespeare plays are based on Iggy Pop songs or that all of Bill Clinton's speeches have equivalent Turner paintings or something.

(shit, you could probably do that as well .. if I didn't waste all my spare time here i might give it a go..)
 
 
glassonion
13:16 / 16.11.01
not bad but zenith = captain britain [tpb out soon, christmas fans].me and my cunt mates generally explain the many and obvious moore/morrison overlaps with fort's steam engines quote.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
13:32 / 16.11.01
Did Moore write Britain? I thought that was Delano.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
13:35 / 16.11.01
quote:Originally posted by merciless_ming:
V + Inv Vol. 1 both prominently feature a psychological break-thru + test of conviction for a reluctant protagonist.


um... like every fucking other story ever written, you mean?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:52 / 16.11.01
morrison is excellent at being inspired by others, usually moore.

zenith was more likely inspired by mixing Paradax by milligan/macarthy with miracleman by moore. The pop spectacle of paradax and the dark history and ultra violence of mira cleman providing the cut and paste.

Also - I generally do believe that morrison treads where Moore has been. There is a certain effortlessness to Moore's creations which Morrison lacks.

It is safe to say that Morrison is infatuated with Moore.

runs, ducks for cover.........
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:55 / 16.11.01
Ah, but is he afraid of him?
 
 
Mr Wolfe
14:19 / 16.11.01
now this is what comix talk is all about:

who would win in a magical duel- moore or morrison?

also who plays better quidditch?

but yeah, GM does seem to follow the AM path at certaint times- + he does like taking the piss out- the portrait in the beard hall in Doom Patrol, various disses in interviews.

I'd like to see a list of major themes used by one but not the other.
 
 
The Natural Way
19:27 / 16.11.01
Well.... Moore does go in for the whole postmodern retro thing a lot more than Morrison. In fact, I'm pretty sure Grant finds all that stuuff pretty yucky. I want to, but, y'know, I keep on finding myself enjoying Tom Strong. I AM cool and all that, though...

Honest.
 
 
Hush
08:20 / 17.11.01
Alan (T B Grover) Moore VS Grant (T B Sheets) Morrison

Identify marks
Moore is big and hairy, while Morrison lithe and self inflicted bald.

Measuring Up
In my comic shelving system Moore use a paltry 8½" of shelf space while Morrison clocks up a massive 27". (Disregarding 2000 AD, CRISIS, etc)

Cultural Identifiers
Morrison is a Scot, and uses bagpipe noises as expressions of pain in his scripts ( for example 'Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu'), while Moore is from the south of England and prefers more traditional short vowelage ('Aaah'). Moore expresses cultural ambivalance by living in a southern town with North in its name, and collaborating with a Scot living in Australia.

Musicality
Moore has made several audio recordings with spoken word over music recorded by others. Morrison has been in several bands that no one has seen, and record shop computers do not recognise.

Literacy
Moore has written a local history novel, while Morrison has written a couple of plays and short stories.

Magic, or Magik.
In their comics both use terms relating to Magic, or Magik, or something. Unfortunately neither has been asked to write Captain Marvel the worlds greatest Magic, or Magik, based super hero. Yet.

Moore seems to belong the Led Zeplin, Crowleyite school of ritual magic, while Morrison prefers punky poppy do it yourself stuff with semen as a principle component. This rift is best summarized in Zenith, where the Temple ov Psykik (or Psycic or somefing) Youth are used as the fresh young alternative to that Jimmy Page crap. But I know nothing about Magic. Or Magik.

Principal themes
They share stories about oddly dressed people engaging in violent interaction, beneath a mask of (in Moores case) traditional anti violence rhetoric, or (In Morrison's case) post ironic cynicism.

Humour
Moore has written some excellent humour strips- including many for 2000 AD, and the smartest boy in the world capturing aliens thing he writes for the company that works for a company that works for DC, so he doesn't have to know he works for them. Morrison, the tart, will work for anyone. He only ever makes me laugh out loud in his dramatic work. Often.

Newspaper Strips
Both started their careers in local newspapers. Revealingly Morrisons 'Captain Clyde' is clearly a rework of that 'Maxwell the mystery Cat' thing of Alan Moores, which he did for his local paper, and one of the clearest acts of plagiarism heretothreefore unexposed in Comics. But not Comix.

Rhetoric
Moore writes much the best rhetorical stories. His morality is usually clear and easy to repeat. Morrison's 'Invisibles' doesn't explain clearly what the readers are expected to think or do, and the author seems to go to great length to confuse them. As if he's deliberately pretending not to be Alan Moore.

Conclusion
The two are actually housed in one person, with exactly the sort of character multiplicity both have revealing explored in their 'comics' supported by clever special effects, and voice coaches, and mirrors for book signings and speaches to the UN.

This is further proved by reference to issue whatever of 2000AD where in several issues Ace Trucking (The GM imprint never came close to the brilliance of that, particularly the later episodes, except perhaps in Vampirella) the work is credited to Grant Grover, (a clear conflation of GRANT Morrison, and TB GROVER, a name Moore is known to use while ordering goods from the Kay's catalog).

I'm glad to have sorted that out.

Can I ask if any of you to support my current investigation and help me to demonstrate the J K Rowling is also Alan Moore.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
16:16 / 17.11.01
moore's from the very centre of england as he bangs on about an awful lot. he is most definitely not a southerner....
 
 
Hush
07:59 / 18.11.01
Nah! Northampton full of people who commute daily to London. He bangs on about it coz he's conflicted on that very point.

The centre of England is in north Warwickshire, and the centre of the UK is in Lancashire.

However I'm surprised that that is the only point you wish to take issue with.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:13 / 20.11.01
its the only point you made that was intelligible.

Ahhhh, where's Ho Garden when you need him?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:05 / 20.11.01
And if he *was* afraid of Moore, would that make Morrison.....gay?
 
 
Hush
18:58 / 20.11.01
Morrison is generated out of Moore's suppressed desire for Gay Love.
 
 
penitentvandal
07:35 / 21.11.01
So Moore is the better rhetorical writer because 'in the Invisibles the reader is not clearly told what to think'.

It's sarcasm, Jim, but not as we know it...

Also love the 'that company that works for DC but doesn't have the same name so Moore can pretend he doesn't work for them' line.

But I should point out that there is absolutely nothing wrong with liking Tom Strong.

You bitches.
 
 
Hush
18:09 / 21.11.01
Thank you for laughing.

I thought I had completely wasted myself there.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:07 / 21.11.01
fuckin hell.......wot r u like?


here, have a , just to reassure you.
 
 
The Falcon
20:51 / 10.12.02
Just thought I'd bring this back up, as I find it fascinating, and I found dis link. Doesn't really add to my knowledge of such, though - anybody know exactly what Morrison said about Watchmen? I've got a really funny old ComicWorld interview with Millar 'n' Morrison, circa 2000AD's 'Summer Invasion', in which they - or rather, Millar - has a go about '1963', comparing it to a 'DP' issue. I'll type this up if anybody wants - it's really big, and pretty f'in funny.

I noticed the (fairly) recent Promethea dig, too. And I've heard about DP's 'Beard-hunter', but is there anything else to add?
 
 
lentil
11:34 / 11.12.02
TB Grover was John Wagner.
 
 
yichihyon
20:18 / 13.10.04
I think Moore and Morrison are commenting on each others works. The Kirby homage in Doom Patrol vs 1963. The Brain and Mallah story in Doom Patrol vs 1963 Red Brain story. Moore says he will hit him(Morrison) in the brain. Moore must like Morrisons story though because he uses the weeping Gorrilla(Mallah at the end of Grant's Doom Patrol story) in Promethea. Is Moore commentting on Morrison being too sensitive? Moores Watchmen and Miracleman are mirrored in Morrison's JLA EArth 2. Is morrison commenting on the Evil world that Moore is constantly showing to kids and is morrison saying that the Watchmen and Miracleman is similar to CSA and the evil superman in the story? Anti Spawn indeed.
 
  
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