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e is for extinction TPB

 
 
tracypanzer
17:19 / 06.11.01
urm, if this is collecting the first 3 issues of the Morrison/Quitely run (sold for $2.25 a piece), then how do they justify selling it for $15.95?
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
19:28 / 06.11.01
It probably has nice slick pretty paper, which will make Frank's art look even better.
Yr also paying for the convenience of having the whole story in one nice volume.

Amazon has the list price as $12.95 and are selling it at a 5% discount or something.
 
 
bio k9
19:38 / 06.11.01
quote:Originally posted by aaron:
how do they justify selling it for $15.95?

Justice? Reasonable pricing? This is the comics industry, man. Get real.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:38 / 06.11.01
Does it really only have those three issues in it? How odd.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
00:59 / 07.11.01
It doesn't make any sense to me. I think it would be easier for people to get a trade that covered 114-116, the annual, 117-120.

or better yet, 114 up to 125, so you get the whole Cassandra story in one book, rather than having the other volumes be potentially very confusing.
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:47 / 07.11.01
is anyone bored enough to write down the morison manifesto on here for me? I'm not going to buy the trade cause I have those issues and I can't read it at my comic chop cause the guys a bastard sooo... anyone?
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
17:37 / 07.11.01
well, I read it in the shop, and it is the outline/proposal given to Joe Quesada (with Quesada's handwritten notes). The first bit is talking about how he wants to make the comic exciting, his model being the Claremont/Byrne period. He discusses the things he dislikes about the way the comic had been for the past however many years, all obvious things...
A lot of what he says in the proposal he's said in other interviews about New X-Men, so not much new info....

the second half breaks down the first four issues (the ones in the collection...), and you can see a lot of his writing process, how scenes and events are changed around, you see that he originally wanted to use Moira MacTaggert and Colossus rather than Beast, and since both of those characters died shortly before Grant took over, he used Beast because he could fill BOTH of the roles those two characters were to play. Originally, Xavier was to murder Moira in the scene in 117 where Beast gets bludgeoned.

let's see...there's some talk at the end, suggesting that the story arch after the Cassandra thing wraps up would be the 'ultimate Magneto story' which I doubt will happen now. He says he wants to kill off Rogue and replace her with a new younger goth Rogue like in the movie and cartoon. Gambit would go into deep shock, and later on a one-shot issue would find Wolverine and Gambit meeting up and talking about it. This probably won't happen either, since Gambit and Rogue are in Chris Claremont's hands now.
 
 
Captain Zoom
19:33 / 07.11.01
I'd like to see the comic where grant bludgeon's claremont to death so he can use those characters far more effectively.

Zoom.
 
 
rexpop
02:24 / 08.11.01
I see no reason that the Magneto storyline can't happen, after all he's been dead before .

The TPB is a really nice package. Worth it for the proposal at the end. Great colors too.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:46 / 08.11.01
Does it have a new cover image by Quitely? And if so, it this online? Please say yes.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:38 / 08.11.01
Fly. You've seen it: it's the one with the grave.

And as for the "he's been dead before" thing: Grant goes to great pains in his "manifesto" at the back of the TPB to state that dead characters should stay dead. I'd love to read the ultimate Magneto storyline, but it doesn't look like it's gonna happen.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:58 / 08.11.01
A review.

Four issues. Still pricey, but I may have to get it, not having any of the series at all.

Is it out now in the UK?
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:06 / 08.11.01
RE: Magneto

It is pretty clear from Morrison's proposal that he was at that point unaware of what Chris Claremont and Scott Lobdell had worked out for 2000 issues ie, he didn't know Claremont was going to kill off Moira, or Lobdell would off Colossus. So he obviously didn't know what Lobdell's Magneto storyline would be like either.

Also, it seems to me that Grant understood that killing off Magneto in the way that he did and making him a Che figure fit more into his plans than anything else..
 
 
sleazenation
13:18 / 08.11.01
who says the ultimate magneto storyline needs a live magneto? especially now in his current christ/che-like manifestation magneto's influence will reach further than he ever could(and lets face it magneto has had a pretty long reach so far...)

or the magneto storyline could be set in the past, before morrison offed him...
 
 
tracypanzer
13:19 / 08.11.01
I'm betting he'll do a Magneto storyline. I mean, if you got the chance to write the comic, wouldn't you? That and a good Dark Phoenix story. And something about the Hellfire Club, but that might just be me...
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:37 / 08.11.01
I'm doubting the Magneto thing...

I've a feeling Grant is going to stick to making up new characters and new situations, because that is more in the spirit of what he aims to do, judging by the manifesto...

I'm far more interested in Cassandra and John Sublime than in what his take on old villains might be...

re: if you had a chance to write the comic, wouldn't you?

no, personally I wouldn't. I'd seriously downplay villains altogether, and threats would only pop up sporadically. I'd rather have the characters go through situations in which they deal with their lives, and threats come from the inside. For example, I've always wondered why no one ever wrote a story in which Rogue somehow gets a bunch of other people's minds trapped inside of her head, and can't get them out, driving her mad. Make her a bit of a Crazy Jane sorta character.... I'd really like that.

I'd want to reinvent Storm as a theory-quoting libertine, and one way or another bring homosexuality and bisexuality into the ranks... I don't know if I would get away with suggesting that Nightcrawler is gay considering that he's a Catholic priest now and all...

It'd be fun. I have absolutely zero interest in writing superhero or sci-fi comics, but I'd love to write X-Men.

Not to highjack this thread, but I'm wondering what some of you would do...

[ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: Flux = R.A.D. ]
 
 
tracypanzer
13:39 / 08.11.01
Even the Vanisher? Even Arcade? Even, um, Fenris? OK, you may have a point.
 
 
rexpop
16:10 / 08.11.01
Originally posted by Flux = Rad:
quote:It doesn't make any sense to me. I think it would be easier for people to get a trade that covered 114-116, the annual, 117-120.



Actually the way they are doing the packaging makes sense.

The current TPB covers the E-is-for-Extinction storyline.

The next one covers the U-men storyline which would probably include 118, 119, 120 and the annual. (although mixing the annual and the regualr issues could be a bit funky with the printing and all that so they might not do that).

And the one after that could cover the wrap up of the Casandra Nova storyline.

While it would have been nice to have everything collected into one chunky TPB, the nice thing about this way is that it gets the books back into print quicker and into the bookstores which don't carry the monthly issues so more people can read the issues (and maybe starting picking up the monthly books).

Also you now have two ways of reading morrison X-Men. Monthly via the comics, or every 4 months via the trade paper backs.

Looks like somebody has been listening to Warren Ellis after all...

[ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: rexpop ]
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
16:23 / 08.11.01
quote:Originally posted by rexpop:
Also you now have two ways of reading morrison X-Men. Monthly via the comics, or every 4 months via the trade paper backs.

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I agree, it is a good business plan.

But the notion that 4 New X-Men issues would come out in the span of 4 months: hard to imagine!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:02 / 08.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Flux = R.A.D.:
For example, I've always wondered why no one ever wrote a story in which Rogue somehow gets a bunch of other people's minds trapped inside of her head, and can't get them out, driving her mad. Make her a bit of a Crazy Jane sorta character.... I'd really like that.

I'd want to reinvent Storm as a theory-quoting libertine, and one way or another bring homosexuality and bisexuality into the ranks... I don't know if I would get away with suggesting that Nightcrawler is gay considering that he's a Catholic priest now and all...


Stop nicking my ideas. Bastard.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
18:13 / 08.11.01
I've thought about it a bit more, and I think I'd want to have a long story in which Gambit at first seems like he's totally fucking over his friends, Lando-style - maybe even resulting in deaths, injuries, etc, I'd want him to be a bastard in the worst way -- but eventually it becomes clear that the end result is fairly justified. I'd want to take that character and turn him into something worthwhile, a real moral relativist whose pragmatism would challenge the more utopian views of Storm and the moralism of Nightcrawler... I don't know, maybe I'm just ripping off the idea of Adrian Viedt in Watchmen or something. I'd want to show his relationship with Rogue for being the selfish emotional headfuck that it is... and have him engage in a purely physical relationship with Storm.

ah, I'm getting carried away. I'll shut up now...

[ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: Flux = R.A.D. ]
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:01 / 09.11.01
My big idea is Gambit dying but Rogue absorbing lots of his personality first - so that she then cuts her hair short again, starts wearing a trenchcoat and smoking and sharing, albeit subtly at first, his eye for the ladies.
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:01 / 09.11.01
Well any of these are better than what's being published NOW... "Go figure!!!"

 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
09:01 / 09.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:
and sharing, albeit subtly at first, his eye for the ladies.


or his lust for her, leading to lots and lots of vigorous masturbation...which I guess makes a LOT of sense for a girl who can't touch other people. I'm sure Rogue would have quite the collection of pocket rockets and such...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:01 / 09.11.01
That's exactly what was going to be in Brian Wood's proposed NYX mature readets series, funnily enough...
 
 
DaveBCooper
09:01 / 09.11.01
It’s a nice TPB, agreed, but I have to say that on a point of pedantry, I do find it mildly irritating that Marvel don’t seem to iron out a few of the errors from the original comics when they collect them; one of the title pages from E for extinction (part the third, I think – don’t have it to hand) has some kind of colour separation error so that it just says ‘of’ when I guess it should say ‘3 of 3’ or something like that.

Similarly, there was a typo in the Ultimate X-men TPB, carried over from the original issue, and the opening two-page splash was broken over a page-turn (as I gather is the case with Marvel Boy in a heavy fashion).

As I say, minor niggles, but it wouldn’t hurt for these things to be sorted out when they go to TPB format…

DBC
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:59 / 09.11.01
Warning: apparently Morrison's notes printed in this TP contain a pretty huge spoiler about how the Cassandra Nova storyline is intended to end. Although he may have changed his mind since then...
 
 
sleazenation
12:13 / 09.11.01
so can anyone with the trade scan/transcribe the morrison/quesada notes for the rest of us to read?

pretty please?
 
 
CameronStewart
17:49 / 09.11.01
It's 11 pages long, sleaze - that's a bit much to transcribe...

Some nice Quitely sketches on the last page, too.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
17:52 / 09.11.01
Why not just read it the next time yr in the shop? It's pretty quick reading.

and seriously, all of the most interesting things in it, I already posted. It's nothing earth-shattering, really.
 
 
sleazenation
23:27 / 11.11.01
so fanboy- i mean flyboy... what exactly were you doing on this particular message board again?
 
  
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