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John Sublime:

penitentvandal

08:39 / 06.11.01

he's Grant Morrison's Evil Fictional Reality Anti-Matter Clone, isn't he?

Pin

08:41 / 06.11.01

So Grant's the cute, cuddly one?

Where do I find these comics?!

Ronald Thomas Clontle

13:06 / 06.11.01

quote:Originally posted by Pin:

Where do I find these comics?!

seeing that New X-Men is the top selling comic in the world, pretty much anywhere comics may be sold (though I'm not sure how that works out where you live...)

In December, the first Grant Morrison story arch will be released in collected book form, and it's called E Is For Extinction. You can pre-order on Amazon right now. You'd probably have some difficulty finding those comics otherwise. The two latest issues should be easy to come by, though.

If you are curious about the X-Force comic, the first five issues of that comic have just been released too as X-Force: New Beginning by Peter Milligan and Michael Allred.

Tamayyurt

15:52 / 06.11.01

Sublime = evil Morrison? I don't know...

"Learning to implant deceptive erotic images into the minds of our ememies"

I think Emma Frost is evil Morrison!

Ronald Thomas Clontle

15:53 / 06.11.01

quote:Originally posted by impulsivelad:

"Learning to implant deceptive erotic images into the minds of our ememies"

I think Emma Frost is evil Morrison!

wouldn't that be the "PLAYBOY PERSPECTIVE"?

Pin

18:44 / 06.11.01

I actually have the three issues that make up E Is For... thanks to Ellis and his inherant lovliness, dispite his constant attempts at I-hate-you-all-in-a-painfully-clever-and-well-thought-out-way-withreference-to-Philosophers-from-many-different-periods-of-history-that-I-have-learnt-about-because-I-am-not-you-and -am-therefore-clever punkish ire.

Um... so anyway. I meant Joh Sublime. What's he done?

And no, even comic readers here on the island haven't heard of Morrison. None ofthem have. The Invisibles went right over their heads. The only person I know that has shown any interest in him is Karika, and he doesn't read comics...

Ronald Thomas Clontle

19:53 / 06.11.01

John Sublime runs a pharmeceutical company...he runs some kinda cult based on a book he has written called "The Third Species", which is all about humans who want to become mutants, so they mutate themselves or graft mutant parts to their bodies.

I see it as Grant kinda bringing transgender politics into the mix...

The Natural Way

07:08 / 07.11.01

I'm kinda confused as to why everyone's got stuck on the transgender thing: John Sublime's philosophies are equally concerned with cybernetic theory, post-modern concerns re the body/identity, consumerism........

[ 07-11-2001: Message edited by: yunrunce ]

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:56 / 07.11.01

I agree: I really don't think that John Sublime and the U-Men are an analogy for transpeople, because if they were, they'd be a pretty offensive one. If that is Grant's intention, I hope some would-be 'Third Species' types who *aren't murderous mutilating maniacs show up soon...

rizla mission

11:32 / 07.11.01

Yeah, you'd think that people undergoing bizarre body modification treatments in order to turn themselves into mutants would be something Grant would be in favour of, wouldn't you?

By casting them as the bad guys, he seems to be creating a faintly sinister 'people should stick to being people and leave the mutant elite to get on with their evolution for them' type ideology.. Zen Fascism anyone?

tSuibhne

12:48 / 07.11.01

I'm interested to see what Grant does with the elite part of "mutant elite." I just can't seem to get by Sublime's speech about them being high and mighty, and wanting to allow people to elevate themselves to being mutants.

Now, a question. Since the main thing with U-Men seems to be "mutation" through surgery and the like. This isn't really mutation, it's enhancement. Mutation occurs at the DNA level, and I don't remember any mention of them doing that (could be wroung).
So what seperates the U-Men from most of the other super people in the Marvel universe? Esspecially someone like Captin America, who was created on purpose.

rizla mission

12:52 / 07.11.01

Well the fact that all the ones presented so far have been screwed up, malformed and/or evil..

Ronald Thomas Clontle

12:52 / 07.11.01

quote:Originally posted by yunrunce:
John Sublime's philosophies are equally concerned with cybernetic theory, post-modern concerns re the body/identity, consumerism........

well, yeah, all of that is correct too. The Sublime scenario is not really a direct analogy to transgender, but the idea of modifying your body because you feel as if you were born into the 'wrong' one certainly is.

penitentvandal

13:44 / 07.11.01

Interesting thoughts on the humanity v. the elite thing.
I've been wondering whether JS isn't another piece of sneaky sequential art magic on Grant's part - whether he's designed the character specifically as some kind of vesself for a complex of personality traits he's trying to rid himself of - the dark side of his new 'corpmage' persona, perhaps.

God, that sounds really hyper-pretentious, doesn't it? But ye ken well whut ah mean.

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