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Grant Morrison Interview in Sunday Times

 
 
A
03:32 / 29.10.01
here

not very long, but kind of interesting.
 
 
A
03:34 / 29.10.01
actually, to save you time...


Scot plans to make Batman hang up cape

BATMAN, the Caped Crusader, faces losing his trademark cape and winged mask, and Superman could swap his red tights for a sober dress suit.

The Scots writer behind the world's most famous superheroes believes his square-jawed characters, who dress up to fight evil masterminds of crime, are no longer relevant after the September 11 attacks.

End of an era: Batman and Robin will lose their costumes

From now on they will espouse pacifism and fight the perils of global capitalism, discrimination and religious fundamentalism in the everyday garb of the man in the street.

Grant Morrison, from Glasgow, has already agreed to dress down Marvel Comics' main characters: Spiderman, the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. He now expects to do the same for DC Comics, creator of Batman and Superman, which employs him as a strip writer.

Superman, alias mild-mannered, bespectacled journalist Clark Kent, has to find an enclosed space, usually a telephone kiosk, before transforming himself into the tights-wearing, kryptonite-allergic Man of Steel.

Millionaire recluse Bruce Wayne uses the cover of the Batcave before emerging as the Caped Crusader. Under proposed changes, both would fight battles against their enemies in normal, work-a-day clothes.

"The real heroes in the world are those guys who ran into the collapsing buildings of the World Trade Center trying to save lives," said Morrison.

"Spiderman wasn't there and Superman wasn't there. Those firemen in oilskins and helmets were there, not superhumans in costumes.

Squaring up: Millar says feel-good factor won't work

He added: "In the wake of September 11, violent superhumans are not enough anymore. We should be putting the current international developments in context rather than just having wrestling matches between colourful characters.

"I've already started writing X-Men as a pacifist comic. They don't believe in violence. They want to change the world in other ways. I don't think there will be as much fisticuffs anymore. I always thought that was rubbish anyway. I'm more into the philosophical basis of comics, the ideas they explore."

Joe Quesada, the editor-in-chief of Marvel, believes the time for colourfully costumed superheroes is over.

"The de-costuming of heroes is a trend we've been heading towards at Marvel this year and that you may see more of in 2002. Not every hero will reveal their identity, but some will," he said.

"Marvel's heroes have always been much more powered down than our competitors', so they deal with threats and life on a much more human level."

Marvel is also reviewing how it depicts "baddies" in its comic strips. Executives believe there is little need to invent clichéd characters when Osama Bin Laden has all the characteristics of a classic comic book villain.

"The world's real No 1 super villain is a charismatic, exotic madman who has his own headquarters in a cave," said Morrison.

"How close is the real world coming to the comic world? We were talking about crazy madmen launching attacks on the world years ago."

However, Mark Millar, another leading Scottish writer who has penned scripts including The Authority, and is known for his brutal stories, believes the move away from comic book violence will only be temporary.


Millar, who is currently re-vamping classic Marvel characters The Hulk, Thor and Captain America, said that in the short term, "feel-good" comic books will dominate, but the public's desire for violent escapism will return.

"A more likely scenario [than it disappearing completely] is evolution and maturation - as well as the action, we're now going to see the consequences of the action, and that's no bad thing," he said.

"They are about to become a lot more empathetic and the characters will be forced to be more three-dimensional. As a writer, I think that can only be a positive thing."

David Sweeney, the curator of a new exhibition of comic book pictures at the Glasgow School of Art and an expert in graphic novels, said: "It's interesting Grant has decided this because whatever he does, he sets the trends that others follow."
 
 
Ellis
07:37 / 29.10.01
quote:Grant Morrison, from Glasgow, has already agreed to dress down Marvel Comics' main characters: Spiderman, the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. He now expects to do the same for DC Comics, creator of Batman and Superman, which employs him as a strip writer.



Is Grant writing Spiderman now??

<cool>
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:11 / 29.10.01
Hmm. While it'd be nice if Grant was about to write Spiderman, and also go back and take over DC, I suspect it's more likely that this is just more bad journalism...
 
 
rizla mission
10:50 / 29.10.01
1)why do they spend so much time repeatedly pointing out that Grant is Scottish?

2)since when did DC employ him as a "strip writer" (whatever that is)?

3)Since when did he write any Spiderman comics?

4)Is anyone else getting mildly fed up of poorly researched Sunday paper stories that go; "SUPERMAN TO BE TURNED INTO HIP, MODERN BLOKE! Mad British Writer X McX says 'all that old cape and tights stuff is old fashioned. I'm going to make him wear khakis and eat sushi all day.' GOSH! What a crazy guy!"?
Do they just keep a few on file and stick them in whenever they've got a few spare column inches to fill?
 
 
Seth
12:18 / 29.10.01
It’s only a matter of time before someone points out that this could be seen as a gruesome way to self-publicise. Of course, you can’t always interpret motivations from such a brief snippet, or who initiated the story.

(How’s that for a non-committal post?)
 
 
No star here laces
12:27 / 29.10.01
One might also point out that if Morrison's main selling point is that he can update any superhero you care to name by sticking him in a pair of jeans and making him a pacifist that it's a pretty easy way to make a quick buck and that it's uncertain who the biggest sucker is: the big comics companies who are paying him to do this or us schmucks who will keep buying the comics while they get all their character focus-grouped out of them.

I mean does no-one else find it a bit dodgy that a fun, harmless, age-old tradition (i.e. spandex outfits) is being chucked out the window because putting superheroes in office casuals is more marketable to today's consumer?

I mean, for fucks sakes, they are fantasy characters! Why do they have to look like they're in the 'real world'?

Feh.

(and all this coming from someone who doesn't own any comics from before 1990 (unless you count 2000AD))
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:02 / 29.10.01
Need I point out again that this article is a load of old misinterpreting, factually erroneous, wildly speculating bollocks?

I mean, I actually think Grant's re-invention of the X-Men as a kind of humanitarian search-and-rescue team is very interesting, but at no point above does he actually say he's going to be taking everybody else out of their costumes - he didn't do that to the FF in 1234, did he? Nor is he writing Spiderman as far as I know, let alone all DC titles as the writer seems to think...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
13:47 / 29.10.01
go here for more.

Funny.
 
 
No star here laces
14:09 / 29.10.01
Oh my christ, what is wrong with those people:

quote: The future of American characters should be a discussion on American soil by the folks that created them.
<snip>
...if you're talking about changing American icon's. It needs to be done by folks that understand and respect American sensibilities. From what I've seen Millar and Morrison don't fit the bill
 
 
sleazenation
14:55 / 29.10.01
hmmm that never stopped DC wilfully ignoring the folks that created superman for years...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
16:16 / 29.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Tyrone Mushylaces:
Oh my christ, what is wrong with those people:



My thoughts exactly, I didn't know which was more worrying - the fact that person typed that in all seriousness or the fact that other people actually agreed with them...
 
 
Burning Man
00:27 / 30.10.01
Now mind you, I sometimes feel foolish as a 34 year old man buying comics where the superheros wear bright yellow spandex and the supergals wear next to nothing, I think they should go the Full Monty and fight crime in their birthday suits. I'm sorry, instead of fighting crime, they should just Rock, Scissors, Paper. But that would mean The Thing would always win.

On a more focused note, remember that the comics of today really came from the Cold War era, when the threat of atomic war and Fascism frightened the crap out of people-the comics were a way of addressing the issues almost on an unconscious level (with execption of Captian America). So as the issues of society change, so will the comics. If they lose their trademarked suits, then so be it. If they stop fighting for a while, so be it-call it Character Development. Millar is right, we'll forget and it one day, the violence will be back. We as a species have short memories.

Burning Man Mark
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
02:49 / 30.10.01
--I mean, for fucks sakes, they are fantasy characters! Why do they have to look like they're in the 'real world'?--

Because it's what sells today.

And to tell the truth. This is what should have been for 30 years now, but wasn't. Morrison and Millar's (and even Ellis') concept proposal (if there's actually any - the crappy newspaper piece may have exagerated the hole statement) to update superheroes is just to put them in today's context. Nothing more natural.

Of course there'll be more retro spandex books by many publishers. But if we want more realistic stuff, really realistic (heh) we have to look for other material.

As for the american-fanboyish commentary at Newsarama boards, if they want to stay dumb, let them. With a plus: a mullet haircut and a flag proudly waving in front of the house.

That's why editors don't care about letter pages. They'll hire whomever raises sales. Fanboys can cry their hearts out (even with ufanistic commentary); while they cry, fine pros like Morrison will always cash money in their expense. God (Belzebub, or Odim, whatever) bless him for that.

[ 30-10-2001: Message edited by: Vortex09 ]
 
 
The Natural Way
10:59 / 30.10.01
You know, you really don't want to go near the boards at Newsarama - you'll only get sucked in. You'll only end up trying to %debate% with those fanboys, forgetting all the while that most of them are 16....

It happened to me. It was very shit.
 
 
Captain Zoom
14:35 / 30.10.01
More importantly, where can we get the opera thing that Grant and Cameron did?

Priorities People!

Zoom.
 
  
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