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The death and afterlife of Outlaw Nation

 
  

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Jack Fear
15:53 / 18.10.01
Secondhand news: In the latest issue of BORDERLINE (which does not seem to have a web presence), Jamie Delano says OUTLAW NATION has been shitcanned, and he'll be wrapping up the storyline somewhere around issue 19 or 20.

Damn, hoss. I was enjoying this book immensely. Unfortunately, the Shits can't stand a book that needs more'n six issues for an initial story arc. A Johnson takes a long as he damn well please--so long as the pacing's right. Twelve issues, but a FUCKLOAD happens--it never drags, never really rambles, and reads like a rocket.

Hope there's a big fat trade, at least.

Score one for the Shits.
 
 
SMS
18:46 / 18.10.01
"the shits"? Who?

"score one"? For what cause?
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
19:49 / 18.10.01
Borderline is web only I think... a PDF download.

Yeah, I'm distraught by the news myself. It's a damn fucking shame.

And yes, score one for the shits.
 
 
sleazenation
20:45 / 18.10.01
the borderline website
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:54 / 18.10.01
hmmm...

I've been reading that book with a weird mix of ammusement & blaaa...

The Art's been Great... the story has been reading with too many vague PREACHER similarities... I've continued reading it in the same manor people continue Smoking... Can't say I'm overly disappointed but it's too bad at the same time.

maybe it's passing similarity to PREACHER worked against it...
 
 
The Knowledge +1
09:18 / 19.10.01
Outlaw Nation is brilliant. They can't cancel it!!!
 
 
Jack Fear
09:18 / 19.10.01
quote:Originally posted by All-Loving SMatthewStolte:
"the shits"? Who?

"score one"? For what cause?
Been reading the book?

According to the OUTLAW NATION worldview, "There's two kinds of people in this world--Johnsons and Shits."

Johnsons. of course, represent all that is good and kind and fair and honest.

Shits are the kind of people who cancel a good book before it's had a chance to really find its audience. Score one for the cause of keeping the world safely mediocre, and for the cause of, well, general Shitness, I guess.

[ 19-10-2001: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]
 
 
rizla mission
11:43 / 19.10.01
I love the concept of Outlaw Nation - lots of the characters and ideas really appeal to me and have huge potential .. yet somehow .. the narrative has just been crippled from the start - it's had it's moments, but it's so caught up in it's own back story after only a few issues that the story just chases it's own tail.

I gave up buying it a few months ago - it was just getting a chore to read with no real return..

A damn shame, cos it could have been so good.
 
 
Johnny Mother
11:56 / 19.10.01
Kid Gloves is the worlds greatest villain!!! They cannot do this!!!
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:45 / 19.10.01
vertigo is past its sell by date.

vertigo should be executed.

vertigo will die.

thank you.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:02 / 19.10.01
My copies of 100 Bullets and American Century and next year's 100% from Paul Pope all join me in saying "fuck you", yawn.

[ 19-10-2001: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
13:33 / 19.10.01
Could someone educate me as to why OUTLAW NATION is similar to PREACHER? I keep hearing this but I just don't understand the reasoning behind it. There are vague similarities between Kid Gloves and Starr but otherwise I'm at a loss. I swear that the Glenn Fabry covers were one of the worst things to happen to the book.

Of course I could just be pissed because I find Outlaw Nation to be a damn sight more satisfying than Preacher.
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:52 / 19.10.01
Welll.... pff the top of my head... they are both essentially stories about the American myth as written by two writers from the U.K.

So far they've starred "good guy outlaws" in the modern "west" ... also there's the "on-the-road" quality.

Kidgloves = Star

John Law's innitial appearance was strikingly similar to St. Killer

Sex & Violence

I'll have to review those initial issues to re-fortify or disprove that impression.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:31 / 20.10.01
quote:Originally posted by The Knowledge +1:
Outlaw Nation is brilliant. They can't cancel it!!!


Yeah, it's all my fault I'm afraid, EVERY book I've ever bought from Issue 1 has been cancelled.

But, looking back on it, Giving it a year is quite generous, if you think Monarchy was told it would finish after about 4 issues IIRC out of the gate.

And sadly, Outlaw Nation hasn't been that good, a year of stories and it still hasn't seemed to get going.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:06 / 20.10.01
I bought the new issue on the basis of Jack's enthusiasm. Well, that and the hot punk girl on the cover. Okay, solely for the hot punk girl on the cover.

It's not bad. Are there going to be any trades?
 
 
mondo a-go-go
11:55 / 22.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Jack Fear:
Johnsons. of course, represent all that is good and kind and fair and honest.


kidnap, murder, pyromania, blackmail, the johnson list goes on. they're pretty flawed characters.

i've been expecting this news from issue #1. really like the comic myself, but this is no surprise.

and yeah, the ugly fabry covers made me almost embarrassed to read them in public.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
15:34 / 22.10.01
I honestly don't understand why Glenn Fabry isn't taken outside, shot through the head, tossed in a ditch and his twitching cropse pissed on. His covers for Preacher were at best workmanlike, and it causes me no small amount of amusement that Vertigo decided they would be worthy of the Dustcovers treatment like Dave McKeans stuff for Sandman. They aren't even remotely in the same league!
 
 
Mordant Carnival
19:57 / 22.10.01
Awwww. I sort of like some of Fabry's stuff. The mad colours and the dissection-table musculature worked pretty well for Preacher.

(He can't draw tits, tho'.)
 
 
makingbombs
23:25 / 22.10.01
Perhaps it's just my cultural-studies training coming out, but I cut the series a lot of slack on its Pracher-similarities as I thought it was actively trying to answer back to Preacher. Kind of running through the same pop cultural landscape of American, but looking from the other side...

Jesse Custer's FUCK COMMUNISM zippo versus Story's FUCK WAR one being a nice little example... and surely, something that would have to have been done intentionally by Delano...
 
 
Sharkgrin
23:35 / 22.10.01
Prodigal son wanders down off the mountain, and tightropes between inbred, paranoid cousins and sinister but salt-of-the-earth pop (who makes the average classical mandarin gangster look like Britney Spears).

Bleeds, sweats, and crys to live like a piece-of-shit while sexually-deranged wolverine, resembling his albino sibling, chews up the scenary in an accelerating spiral of interchangeable sex and violence.

Throw in two identical (sans 20 years) lovers, their own rebellious and slightly violent sons, and a throw away cast of red-shirted security guards for a supporting cast/slice stereotyped Americana, and ...

I disagree somewhat with Preacher analogy; this resembles more of TRANSMETROPOLITAN; as Spider wanders out of the wilderness, after years of literary notoriety, and (my analogy departs here) hatefully smites the ignorant masses with his written word.

Spider has his hate/distrust/sexual frustration with those in authority;

Story has hate/distrust/sexual frustration with:
1- the societal echoes in his own literary works
2 - those in authority who benefited any suffering in his literary works ('the shits')(not to mention the fact that his own pop makes Pol Pot like a church lady).

Funny how Spidey's climax is guerilla warfare with a standing Persisdent (yes, the book lost steam a while back), and Story must now write for the monster he dislikes.
Kinda like the media/entertainment industry and the US President.
 
 
pebble
07:03 / 23.10.01
quote:Yeah, it's all my fault I'm afraid, EVERY book I've ever bought from Issue 1 has been cancelled.

With you all the way. It even happened with 'Deadenders,' where I bought the first issue, didn't get any following, re-read the first issue, thought 'actually this isn't bad, lets give it a go,' and by the following week, vertigo announces they'll be cancelling it.

Bastards.

And, I do agree with makingbombs. Alot of the Preacher similaraties seem purposfully put in, rather than trying to copy them.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:09 / 23.10.01
I wouldn't think O-N was so much a copy as it might have been an attempt to fill the "void" created by PREACHER's end.

Could it be that with the end of that series that nitch also came to an end?

Would an INVISIBLESesque equiviliant suffer the same fate? I wonder...

Hmmmm... on the premis of OUTLAW NATION being a responce to PREACHER, what would or could be an answer to The Invisibles???

topic for another thred?
 
 
Captain Zoom
18:24 / 23.10.01
So speaking of Outlaw Nation....

Has anyone read the "prologue" that was in one of the Vertigo winter specials a few years ago. It was called "The Great Satan", and the premise is similar to ON, but doesn't seem to fit the current series' continuity. Maybe Delano's first attempt and then the series saw an overhaul.

I'll miss it when it's gone, but I do think it'll be one of those series that reads so much better when you have all 20 or so in front of you and read them at once. I too tended to have to go back and remind myself what had come before with each new issue.

Zoom.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:31 / 24.10.01
Was that Winters Edge 2 or 3? Haven't read it in a long while but I don't remember it buggering continuity, it was set in the prison camps of Johnson's the old long-figernailed bloke has set up for when he needs fresh blood. It's been mentioned several times in the series.

The problem with it all is that Delano hasn't really given us any reason to care about the characters and if they really are a militia they should be a hell of a lot more unpleasant and right wing than they are...
 
 
sleazenation
22:02 / 28.10.01
remember folks at this point its all just a rumour (via rich johnson) no word from DC yet...
 
 
The Damned Yankee
22:26 / 28.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Sharkgrin:
(yes, the book lost steam a while back)


(Frowns and sets his bowel disruptor to "PROLAPSE". Doesn't exactly point the weapon at Sharkgrin, but doesn't put it away, either.)

Say that again.

[ 29-10-2001: Message edited by: The Damned Pirate Bonney ]
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
17:59 / 29.10.01
quote:Originally posted by sleazenation:
remember folks at this point its all just a rumour (via rich johnson) no word from DC yet...



No, it's the word from Jamie Delano. 19 or 20 will be the last issue.
 
 
Sharkgrin
19:32 / 29.10.01
Damned, Damned, Damned.

The proper response is to:
1 - Hit me over the head with a chair
2 - Ask me several journalistic questions
3 - Reject my lame shock and cowboy-stomp me into next week
4 - Light a cigarrette and threaten to beat me up again if I lie
5 - Claim that you are an outlaw journalist and can stomp me whenever you feel like
6 - Tell the filthy assistant to call the two lame outlaw editors that a column is afoot

The nintendo kids on my block call this the "Magical-Truth-Telling-Bastard-Spidey" Move (or left-left-high punch-high punch).
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:06 / 30.10.01
Partly cos of this thread, I picked up issues 11-13 of this when I saw them sitting unloved on the racks of Comics Showcase the other day.

It's actually really good, isn't it? Oops. I guess it's the fault of peeps like me that it's being cancelled, too... Now I'll have to hunt out the back issues...
 
 
The Damned Yankee
14:53 / 30.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Sharkgrin:
Damned, Damned, Damned.

The proper response is to:
1 - Hit me over the head with a chair
2 - Ask me several journalistic questions
3 - Reject my lame shock and cowboy-stomp me into next week
4 - Light a cigarrette and threaten to beat me up again if I lie
5 - Claim that you are an outlaw journalist and can stomp me whenever you feel like
6 - Tell the filthy assistant to call the two lame outlaw editors that a column is afoot

The nintendo kids on my block call this the "Magical-Truth-Telling-Bastard-Spidey" Move (or left-left-high punch-high punch).


But I'm not an outlaw journalist. Y'see, ya need access to a whole string of media outlets to even just . . .

Hey, waitasecond! That was SARCASM!

Okay, Sharkster, you asked for it. . .!

(the bowel disruptor makes a little farty noise and peters out; the Yankee scowls at it, opens a little door in the side and examines the contents)

Godammit, I knew I shouldn't have used that last shot on Patriot Metalhead (fun though it was). This damn thing sucks the life outta batteries like effin' Dracula.

Don't move! I gotta make a quick run to Radio Shack!
 
 
Jack Fear
17:56 / 21.08.06
Hey now! Three years later, Rich Johnston (not Johnson, but close enough) is reporting that OUTLAW NATION will indeed be collected—not by DC, though. Rights have reverted back to Delano and Sudzuka, and the collection is coming out thorugh Image. All 19 issues in one fat paperback. November 2006.

Here's a thought: thinking about it now, OUTLAW NATION seems a thing very much of its time. Does this artifact of the days before the War On Terror and the subsequent political polarization of the American electorate still have relevance, five years on?

Secondly: How fucking glad do you think Jamie Delano is that DC didn't go for his original title for the book, which was THE GREAT SATAN?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:40 / 22.08.06
To be honest it didn't have much relevence back then. Yes, I think Vertigo bought it to replace Preacher and Delano had no interest in doing that but there was a lot of running around in circles rather than picking a direction and riding boldly off.
 
 
grant
01:01 / 24.08.06
I may have to read it again, actually. (Got a big kick out of reading this thread again, incidentally.)

I remember it sort of being informed more by ideas/images of militias & Montana Freemen types -- the Ruby Ridge & Waco Rememberers -- than you get in the media now. Our boogiemen have changed.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:06 / 24.08.06
Exactly. America's demons, in the OUTLAW NATION worldview, were all homegrown: school shooters, goth kids, Bible-thumping preachers, crazy vets stockpiling weapons in the woods, white supremacists, militias. The Big Bad then was Timothy McVeigh. Foreign Parts were just somewhere for Asa to play his power-games and for Story to escape to—what happened there never really touched America.

For a series as deeply cynical as OUTLAW NATION, it's an astonishingly restricted worldview. I've no doubt it was intentional—Jamie Delano is no fool, after all, and one of his targets in the series was America's grotesque sense of self-importance.

But one effect of 9/11—and if there's any lasting good to come out of that horrorshow, I think this is it—is that we are all internationalists now. It may be in a superficial, self-interested way—most Americans still can't find Iraq on a map, after all—but there's an increased (if still dim) understanding that what happens in Foreign Parts is necessarily connected to what happens Here.

OUTLAW NATION depended, in large part, on the conceit that America and its history are self-contained islands, largely isolated from the world stage. It was always a fiction, of course—but it was a fiction that seemed easier to buy into during the Clinton years. These days, I reckon the weight of disbelief might be simply too much for a new reader to suspend.
 
 
grant
13:45 / 25.08.06
Were there any foreigners in the book? I know the one dude -- Story -- he had a couple Nam flashbacks....

His granddad was definitely playing off the WSBurroughs conception of Reagan kept alive by "state of the art vampiric technology" (got that from a spoken word piece, can't remember the title but it was on an all-spoken album by IRS). I think as a metaphor for the forces of control, it still works. And the idea of private soldiers is pretty relevant.
 
  

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