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Doom Patrol

 
 
Cop Killer
18:30 / 19.09.01
Is old Doom Patrol stuff worth searching for? Is any of the non-Morrison stuff afterwards any good?
 
 
Jack Fear
18:47 / 19.09.01
(1) The Morrison stuff? Yes. Sell your plasma if you must.

Immediately pre-Morrison? Not essential (though the Erik Larsen artwork was purty). The original Arnold Drake/Bruno Premiani stuff from the 1960s, though, is great fun.

(2) Lots of poeple haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaated Rachel Pollack's stuff (and I'm sure they'll turn up soon to tell you how much), but I thought it had its moments, at least early on. It started to falter, though, taking on the weird, hermetic sort of tone I associate with fanfic--with heavy, cryptic symbolism that obviously had strong meaning for the author but which left me increasingly bored and baffled. It stopped becoming a mass entertainment and became something intensely personal.

I eventually backed away from the book before its cancellation, feeling like I was an unwelcome eavesdropper on Rachel's conversation with herself.

[ 19-09-2001: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:49 / 19.09.01
Yeah... I would agree with you on that Jack... well said... Ted Mckever's art kept me on the book, though I can't quite recall much of my intrest in it now...
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
20:02 / 19.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Cop Killer:
Is old Doom Patrol stuff worth searching for? Is any of the non-Morrison stuff afterwards any good?


Anything that is Doom Patrol that is not by Grant Morrison is pretty terrible, save for maybe three or four issues by Rachel Pollack. trust me.
 
 
Lt. Oi
20:44 / 19.09.01
What do you care Kent you can't read.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
20:50 / 19.09.01
You know, Jack...that's an excellent point...Rachel Pollack's run did feel like fanfic, mostly because it was... it was fanfic that was published because the writer happened to be semi-famous...
 
 
Mordant Carnival
20:53 / 19.09.01
None of us can read. We're all faking literacy so's not to embarrass each other.

It's a tragedy.
 
 
moriarty
02:55 / 20.09.01
I second the mention of McKeever's work. You can find most of the Pollack issues in the quarter bin, and the McKeever issues are well worth the price.

And much as I love Grant's Doom Patrol above all others, the 60's team kicks ass.

Elasti-Girl forever.
 
 
The Thread Rotter
12:13 / 20.09.01
I not only cannot read, I can't write or type, either. It's horrid.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
13:03 / 20.09.01
i have an almost complete run of DP mk2, including the god-awful stuff before grant took over. now that was truly terrible.

i too stopped buying it towards the end of rachel pollack's run, though i later picked up the back issues. it's no way near as good as grant's stuff (which i oftentimes prefer to the invisibles, but there are a bunch of good ideas and some new characters which could have been really good if they'd had time to develop.
 
 
Chuckling Duck
16:51 / 20.09.01
Remember me, Erica? I ate Freddy Mercury. I’m coming to get you. Be very afraid.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:10 / 20.09.01
quote:Originally posted by KillerRobotOnQueenAlbum:
I ate Freddy Mercury.
C'mon, it was the 70s--I mean, who didn't?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
18:07 / 20.09.01
McKeever's artwork was certainly better than his scripting on 'Industrial Gothic' or whatever it was called for Vertigo 5 or 6 years ago, but I've got the last couple of issues of his stuff with RP on DP and it is shit! I mean look at it, by the end of it he isn't drawing faces for most of the cast, Dorothy looks like a normal girl and Cliff looks like he's wearing a metal bobble hat. And backgrounds? It's a curved line! We're standing on a hill then!

It's a good thing that no-one really thinks of him when asked who their favourite artist is, and at least Liefield makes an effort with his scribblings. Even if they're shit too.
 
 
Mr Wolfe
20:52 / 20.09.01
I went back + read the Pollack issues recently + found them to be surprisingly good. I think that they do have an element of fanfic, but following up Grant, who doesn't look like fanfic? (see pete milligan on animal man). I would recommend them for her nice touch continuing to develop + diverge the characters, + for being as polyglot as Grant in her influences- qabbalah, etc. if you like the characters go get it- she unifies it nicely by the time McKeever's beautiful art kicks in.
 
 
Cop Killer
05:59 / 22.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Lt. Oi:
What do you care Kent you can't read.


And you obviously cannot punctuate correctly.
 
 
Tom Coates
14:41 / 22.09.01
Doom Patrol, as is often the case with Grant's stuff, goes off in more directions than an exploding packet of lima beans. And not all of them are completely successful. But one thing is for sure - they read better as a block than they do as seperate issues a month apart - particularly as in some, very little - if anything - seems to happen.

The more traditional Grant stuff - and the stuff that introduced me to his work can basically be found in the first year and a half of his stuff. At heart it's still super-hero stuff, only taken beyond all recognition. If you enjoy the Orqwith and Red Jack storylines that are in the trade paperback, then you'll love the next few plotlines - some of them are awesomely brilliant - The Brotherhood of Dada are beyond awesome, The one shot where Cliff goes into Janes mind is also incredible. There's stuff there that has never been done before in comics, and it's done astonishingly well.

After that you get the Cult of the Unwritten Book, and that's the beginning of the end in terms of that style. From there on the plots get more rambling and straggly, which is not entirely a bad thing. Sometimes it wanders more into horror than perhaps it should, sometimes the humour is more creepy than you might expect, and sometimes you get the sense that he's flailing a bit for something to fill the page with. There are occasional dud episodes. But as a run, it's pretty sensational.
 
 
Ganesh
14:46 / 22.09.01
Then there's my favourite, his one-shot Miller pastiche, The Beard Hunter.

"I'm the Beard Hunter.

I.

Hunt.

Beards."
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:33 / 27.09.01
i Do believe it was a diff kind of beard than you hunt G

i really liked the flex Mentello line he had, the sounds of thousands of telephones crying
 
 
Captain Zoom
22:21 / 05.10.01
I live on Doom Patrol. I have almost a complete run of all their appearances in all their forms. I even went out and bought "My Greatest Adventure" #80 (first app.). I'm sick in the head. Grant's stuff is the shit. It is the DP that all DP's past and future must be compared to. However, the original 60's stuff has to be considered in it's context. My feeling is that had those stories been written in the eighties or nineties, they would have been top-notch. The fact that they were surreal stories aimed at children makes them sometimes pathetic and sometimes even more eerie. I'm not sure I'm explaining myself properly, but whatever. The mid-seventies and eighties teams are not really worth getting unless you're sick in the head like me. Rachel Pollack's stuff can't compare to Grant, but like that was a surprise. Chances are if it had, we'd be at a message board devoted to her anarchist magic spell comic, and not Grant's.

Anyone interested in the original team should note that DC are releasing an archive of all the early stories some time next year. Though, if the new series sucks, I doubt that'll happen.

Off to buff my skull,

Zoom.
 
 
Ganesh
23:24 / 05.10.01
Wasn't it 'My Greenest Adventure'?
 
 
moriarty
02:15 / 06.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Captain Zoom:
Anyone interested in the original team should note that DC are releasing an archive of all the early stories some time next year.


Wahoo! I knew it would happen eventually! I know what I'm getting for my Birthday next year!

Yippee!

[ 06-10-2001: Message edited by: moriarty ]
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
02:15 / 06.10.01
I remember in his intro to the 'Crawling...' TPB Grant said his intention was to get back to the feel of the original DP. Is the early stuff really fucked in the head?
 
 
Captain Zoom
13:04 / 06.10.01
It is, if you can get past the funky groovy slang that Drake obviously thought the kids all sounded like. (Mummy-head = Negative man, and you need a dictionary of the 60's to understand anything that comes out of Beast-Boy's mouth). I would like to see later Arnold Drake work, perhaps something geared towards a more mature audience, just to see some of those truly bizarre ideas from DP come to proper fruition.

Sorry, that was a really pompous thing to say. Obviously they came to fruition since they were published. I wonder if he did any non-code approved stuff.

Zoom.
 
  
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