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Ragged Robin

ynh

17:45 / 14.08.01

The bit in Counting to None where they're breaking into MOTECH and Cell-23 intervenes with the word (V-I-AI-I-ZO) that induces auto-critique:

Robin says, only, "My tits spell anarchy" and following Kind Mob's monologue (which is apparently the reason for the scene) "When's the movie?"

What the fuck? was he being lazy or am I being thick?

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:52 / 15.08.01

Well, I think the idea is that on one very shallow level, Ragged Robin in Vol 2 is a would-be anarchist fanboy fantasy figure. It could probably be any of them saying "When's the movie?", really.

Or are you asking something different?

deletia

08:24 / 15.08.01

On a *shallow* level?

Jamieon

11:27 / 15.08.01

Yeah, and "fuck" is definitely Dane in two dimensions.

See the spectacle recuperate the youth, energy and threat of the young punk!

And the Invisibles always worked on more than one level; I'm sure you're aware of that, Haus. Vol 2 was designed to be a sugared pill. I remember reading some crap review of the comic hotlinked to disinfo, basically describing vol 2 as a childish, gratuitous, keep the kids reading, gun fest. Maybe the scenes with all the blood, juxtaposed with "cool" dialogue failed to make the reviewer feel sick.....

And the movie thing underlined the ideas regarding simulation/reality that informed the end of the 2nd vol and all of the third.

No star here laces

11:30 / 15.08.01

On.
A.
Shallow.
Level.

I always thought that the word had disrupted the fictional reality of the invisibles into simultaneously lit-crit reality and commercial reality. Or somesuch.

YNH

17:04 / 15.08.01

Right, Jack was easy. If that's what Grant intended for Robin, it works and I was being thick. I'd actually felt that she had to say "When's the movie." considering about half her scenes occur in a media saturated 2012.

RadJose

01:39 / 17.08.01

the whole 2nd volume to me was just that, movies, american action mostly, but serious movie movie movie... almost to the point where i was like "i don't watch enough movies" where as the 1st volume had me shouting "i don't read enough lit" and the 3rd "i don't watch enough brit teevee... aw well yeah

klint

02:48 / 23.08.01

quote:Originally posted by radjose:
the whole 2nd volume to me was just that, movies, american action mostly, but serious movie movie movie... almost to the point where i was like "i don't watch enough movies" where as the 1st volume had me shouting "i don't read enough lit" and the 3rd "i don't watch enough brit teevee... aw well yeah

I was thinking about this... I've noticed that Grant's post-Invisibles works (Marvel Boy, FF, X-Men) seem to have left a lot of people around here going "I don't understand because I don't know enough about the Marvel U"

so:

Books-->Film-->TV-->Comics

Think this is intentional? If so, what's next?

SMS

16:24 / 23.08.01

News? Maybe we'll have to be up on current events.

I think its only intentional in that Morrison doesn't hold back his writing for the sake of everybody understanding everything. The point is that I'm enjoying it, and it doesn't bother me that I don't get everything.

In some ways its more effective. Because very often, my subconscious registers the whole book and tells my consciousness about it later on. I'm therefore much more susceptible to Morrison's ideas.

Subliminal Entertainment.

Mr Wolfe

17:28 / 23.08.01

yeah, funny that, the subliminal bit. it operates quite subtly- I'm constantly picking up on new things from it, both from the plot + in terms of the concepts it puts forth- took me years to dig Jack's breakthru, staring into the blank badge in vol. 1.

its got a holographic character as well- I actually got hooked on the series in totally disjointed fashion- having about half of vol 1 + vol 2 + noticing that the story fit together well nontheless. each issue reproduces the vibe behind the whole series in miniature, and connects to the other issues in a non-linear fashion.

Sandfarmer

00:36 / 25.08.01

I just saw vol. 2 as embracing the then-current state of Americana. After all, much of it was in the US. Its almost like the Americanization of the band U2. Only U2 have been stuck in it for about ten years now and Grant just did it for twenty or so issues.

There was a short period there when America made some really good films that pushed the envelope a bit. Pulp Fiction, Natural Born Killers... Even the crap ass action flicks were pretty good. Even Speed was okay despite Keanu being the worst actor ever.

It all fell to shit by the time Titanic came out. Its been down hill ever since.

Mr Wolfe

14:16 / 26.08.01

yeah vol. 2 is america + there's a lot in there- funny + unfunny. from KM's 'canoe of cornflakes' to a whole arc called 'american death camp'. I really like the title page on the first issue of that arc, #11?, w/ the packed freeway + 'turn out the lights'. gotta punch, like when adbusters gets it right.

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