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Spatula Clarke
17:35 / 04.08.01
quote:Originally posted by gman:
Challenging proposition: League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Top 10, Tom Strong or Tomorrow Stories beat Promethea hands down...


What's the general feeling on the ABC line-up? Promethea's been covered to an extent in Ellis' thread, but there hasn't been a huge amount of discussion about the other comics in the line, especially Tom Strong and Tomorrow Stories. I get the feeling that these latter two aren't looked on particularly fondly in these parts.
 
 
ThomasMunkholt
18:16 / 04.08.01
Promethea
Still my favourite - regardless of its errors (and they have been vovered elsewhere), it's still a read that I look forward to.

Top Ten
Love that copshow no end. Talk about Supercops.

Tom Strong
Well, I have been collecting, but I am considering letting it go ... the first issues were great. I loved the humane hero that dealt with percieved foes in an intelligent and respectful manner. This is what Superman should have been, instead of that facist bully he turned out to be. Loads of good ideas in here too. But the nostalgia is starting to get a little tired, I'm afraid.

Tomorrow Stories
Greyshirt: Excellent! But I'm a great fan of The Spirit, so there. Jack B Quick: Haha! And I have always been a fan of Nowlan's art. But the other series doesn't do anything for me. Splash was okay, though.

League ...
In one of its own.
 
 
Templar
19:16 / 04.08.01
Alan Moore. Writing a whole bunch of comics. You need to say more?
 
 
Sir William Gull
20:44 / 04.08.01
Cobweb, though. Bleugh.
 
 
Jamieon
13:34 / 05.08.01
....said Sir William Gull, after excreting the 20th century.
 
 
The Trickster
04:42 / 06.08.01
I don't much care for the Cobweb or First American in Tomorrow Stories. It's not so much that they are badly written, it's just that they're not stories that I want to read. I do love those Greyshirt and Jack B. Quick stories though.

I have to agree with Tom Strong getting old quickly. I loved the first three issues, but after that.... I don't know. Something's missing.
 
 
Sam Lowry
17:09 / 06.08.01
I love Top Ten. The multitude of characters, the settings, the convoluted plot and all the subplots are really really wonderful (specially the whole ultra-mice thing, which I find hilarious). I really wonder if it'll all be resolved in #12... (coming out in a few weeks, last I've heard...)

My next favorite is Promethea. It has been steadily getting my atention since the showdown with the Temple, and I find Sophie's current journey very engrossing...

I agree Tom Strong has lost something of it's initial vigor after Saveen's arc. I don't find it as interesting now as it was before... but it's still very entertaining...

As for Tomorrow Stories, it's a mixed bag... I usually love Jack B. Quick's nasty sense of humor, and First American is funny too. But Cobweb...(bleh!) Greyshirt is ok... nothing really special for me...

In short, ABC is still the best line of comics out there for me. Even Alan Moore's weakest stuff is better that most of the usual mainstream or indie crap...

That's my $0.02...
 
 
No star here laces
18:11 / 06.08.01
I started out buying every single ABC comic. Now I buy none, although I will buy the League of Gents miniseries when it starts. Reasons as follows:

Top Ten - derivative and boring. Marshall Law, to me, did that whole superhero cop thing so well and so acerbically that there's no point in rehashing this territory over again.

Tom Strong - like everybody else said, it should have been brilliant, all the ingredients were right, even the art was brilliant. But it just really failed to engage. I bought the first five or six, waiting for something good to happen, then just gave up.

Tomorrow Stories - it is funny. There were lots of good gags in it (with the exception of Cobweb). But again, nothing new and fresh - Jack B Quick is in Barry Ween/Dexter's Laboratory territory only a bit more metaphysical, First American is telling the same old superhero gags we've all heard before etc.

Promethea - the last one I started buying. Having already been disappointed by what seemed like tired ideas in all the other ABC comics (with the exception of LOEG) to open this and see that it was about an eternal heroine who represents an archetypal ideal and is reincarnated throughout history and the dimensions was just too fucking much for me. I actually ripped the fucker in half and cursed the name of Moore.

Lazy beardie weirdo.
 
 
Chuckling Duck
13:35 / 07.08.01
There’s a reason the industry keeps shoveling Eisners and other awards all over the ABC line. Every series is well written, well drawn, and appealing. Which is not to say that they’re to everybody’s taste; they pretty much fly in the face of what conventional wisdom says comics should be.

Promethea is my favorite. The series follows the story of a undergraduate named Sophie who begins to channel an ancient and powerful spirit of imagination. Immediately besieged by occult enemies from the spirit’s history, Sophie must learn who and what she has become to survive. You really have to see the pages to understand why Promethea is so stunningly good: the art is so rich in imaginative detail that it seems psychedelic, and the writing is a philosopher’s cornucopia of wild, intriguing ideas. The level of complexity is comparable to Watchmen; I find myself rereading issues several times.

Top Ten has the broadest appeal of the ABC books. It’s a week-in-the-life story of a police precinct in a city of superhumans. The real genius of this series is staggering number of characters that Moore breathes life into, a fantastic feat made possible by borrowing the episodic narrative structure of TV shows like Hill Street Blues or ER. It’s remarkably funny, but has a melancholy flavor too, and there’s a theme of problematic desires running through it.

Tomorrow Stories is a mixed bag. With all the different short series in it, you’re bound to love some and hate others. Like most readers, I like the demented science tales of Jack B. Quick, but I’m virtually the only person I know who likes the tongue-in-cheek smuttiness of Cobweb.

Tom Strong is the most nostalgic of the ABC lines. If you aren’t paying close attention, you might mistake it for a pre-Superman pulp comic that was sealed in a vault for 75 years. Scratch the surface, however, and you begin to realize the sheer madness of it all. The hero is the archetypal red-blooded all-American athlete and inventor who eats and smokes a psychedelic herb that keeps him young. He and his extended family (which includes his nubile 60-year-old daughter, his amazonian wife, a talking ape and a steam-powered robot) boldly face dangers ranging from Nazi superwomen to volcano men. You have to have a certain quirky taste for this book, I think.

I recommend trying them all.
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:46 / 08.08.01
Tommorrow Stories just really hasn't stuck for me.

TOP 10 & Promethea have Both been in my top 5 books to read... it just seems like Promethea comes out more consistantly.

Tom Strong's fun, an enjoyable read with some gems mixed with some bombs... still I find it in my had when I make it to the cashier....
 
 
the Fool
09:46 / 08.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Tyrone Bongolaces:
Promethea - the last one I started buying. Having already been disappointed by what seemed like tired ideas in all the other ABC comics (with the exception of LOEG) to open this and see that it was about an eternal heroine who represents an archetypal ideal and is reincarnated throughout history and the dimensions was just too fucking much for me. I actually ripped the fucker in half and cursed the name of Moore.


Shame on you Mr Laces. People who rip up comics are evil scum from the pit of the darkest most bile encrusted hell there is.

And to RIP UP Promethea? But its beautiful...
 
 
No star here laces
09:46 / 08.08.01
But seriously, am I really the only one who finds this whole line of comics hopelessly derivative?
 
 
Rialto
09:46 / 08.08.01
No.

Top Ten is fun, but it's pretty inconsequential. I really like the LoEG, but that by it's very nature is a form of homage. The rest just... don't spark an interest, somehow.
 
 
sleazenation
10:57 / 08.08.01
actually I gotta agree with tyrone - I've tried all of the ABC books and the only one that made me come back for more was the league of extaordinary gents. If I want police stories I'll read KANE, promethia was worthy but dull while tom stong was simply uninteresting.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:31 / 11.08.01
I love Top 10. That and Planetary are the only things I'll rush to buy right now. The very fact that it's basically a straight story...bliss.
 
 
Ellis
17:41 / 11.08.01
I liked the first few issues of Tom Strong, it had a great feeling of wonder to it, I found myself thinking this is how Superman should make me feel- exciting with brilliant art, but then I just got bored of it. I had a look at it recently and the art is all changed and there are about two or three stories an issue, so everything looked crammed in.

Promethea I have a few issues of and I like it for the most part, but the recent issues read like a text book with background art which itself is brilliant although quite overwhelming at times as it does distract from the story (like the mobieous (?) strip in issue 15).

Top Ten- I bought the first issue, didn't really like it so didnt pick up the second, the art wasn't interesting and the story/ genre just didn't grab me.

Tomorrow Stories: I like all the stories in this comic, but just can't be bothered to pick it up. I even like the saucy Cobweb although I think I am the only one...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:47 / 11.08.01
See, Tom Strong's my favourite and I find it hard to explain why. Partly it's to do with the fact that Moore has so far managed to keep the title going without once feeling the need to belittle it with the irony and knowing nods to the reader that usually infect this kind of story.

Tomorrow Stories is worth it just for Greyshirt. Like Tom Strong, there's an emphasis on strong, traditional story-telling. The main difference is in the inventive panneling that's intrinsic to most episodes of Greyshirt. It may not be spectacularly new, but there's few who can pull it off without making it the sole purpose of the tale. The other Tomorrow Stories strips can't help but be supporting players, but they're entertaining enough.

Top Ten I've really enjoyed. Or at least, I have done when each new issue has come out. Looking back over them now, I can't help but feel that the series hasn't been all it could have.

League was superb. I guess we're all in agreement there.
 
 
gman
20:11 / 13.08.01
Yup... general agreement, what a rare and beautiful thing. New Tom Strong ('in spaaaaaace!') is best one so far; check it out at earliest possible opp. The possibility of an extremely surreal ABC JLA is also mooted: 'America's Best': Tom Strong, Promethea, Cobweb/USAngel (?), 'Johnny Future' and... Splash Brannigan! Christ! Can we please all petition Affable Al for an America's Best/League of Extraordinary Gentlemen crisis style crossover series, which would be:
A/ The most bizarre comic the world has ever seen.
B/ Jolly good
?
gwan gwan gwan: E-mail tomstrong@wildstorm.com
 
 
Cochese
21:07 / 13.08.01
Opinions are of course personal but I can't understand how anyone could dislike anything about any of the ABCs. THe only thing I don't like about them is the crappy scheduling and the loooooooong wait between each issue. All, now, damnit!
 
  
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