BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Ms Mystic (and comics illiteracy)

 
 
Cat Chant
10:07 / 01.08.01
I always felt at a bit of a disadvantage reading comics, because I started off with Sandman, Shade, etc, at a sort of post-comics point where a lot of genre things I wasn't familiar with (superheroes) were being parodied, and I knew I was missing a whole lot of references: sometimes to the point where I couldn't follow what was going on. (Wonder if that's why I tend to get on with Peter Milligan, who claims most of his references are to non-graphic literature, better than Grant Morrison, who seems to have read every comic ever written?)

Anyway, this has now reached a crisis point. I was at a comics fair on Sunday and picked up a couple of copies of "Ms Mystic", (#1 & 2) because they looked bizarre and reminded me a bit of Princess Paragon in that Robert Rodi novel.

Published by "PC", which threw me off track for a moment, but it seems to be a genuine comics company (Pacific Comics) in 1984. Written & drawn by Neal Adams, who I've never heard of (really: I've read nothing but a few Vertigo titles and then b&w indies, mostly by women. Oh, and Watchmen and The Dark Night Returns, obviously).

"Ms Mystic" is the story of a woman who was burned as a witch in Salem but threw her consciousness into some random place in the galaxy, then returned 400 years later to fight pollution along with a Government team called the SIA, who in #2 all seem to turn into elemental superheroes. I literally cannot tell whether this is meant to be a straight parody, an affectionate parody, or a totally serious thing. Has anyone read it? Can anyone explain it to me?
 
 
Jack Fear
11:58 / 01.08.01
Neal Adams is a legend in the comic industry, and massively influential--his greatest innovations were in his use of cinematic angles and his layout designs, which approach the page as a whole in a way that no-one before him had ever quite done. He got his start in the early 60's doing newspaper strips, did a legendary stint on Batman in the late 1960s and a lot of aggressively experimental work for black-and-white magazines in the 1970s.

Because of his innovative layouts, his stuff can be hard to follow to the untrained eye.

As a writer, well, he's a tad... eccentric.

Oh, hell--he's a famous whackjob: his current project and magnum opus is a 500-page graphic novel, ten years in the making and still unreleased, which sets forth a new theory of planetary structure, starting with the posit that plate tectonics is bullshit.

Honest. I couldn't make this up.
 
 
tracypanzer
13:53 / 01.08.01
Here's a link to a Neal Adams article WIred did a few months back: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.03/adams.html
Illustrations not included. Interesting stuff.
 
 
Ria
14:38 / 01.08.01
ramble warning...

Deva, I don't think you missed much. or that I did reading "only" (guesstimate) about a hundred crummy superhero books as opposed to three hundred or five hundred. (for escape reading I tended to go for prose.)

it always struck me how even good writers like Alan Moore seemed to have such a vast array of superhero trivia. maybe just because it substituted for tv in his day?

any how I remember a friend telling a friend to read her collection of Morrison's
JLA before Watchmen... so that he could tell what Alan had set about deconstructing... yep... you read that right...

(in another thread I mentioned not finishing some of the JLA albums... now you know whose copies I read [or tried to read].)

recently I saw a copy of Doom Force in the fifty cent bin with similar Lefield's, clones and sub-clones of its era looking just like one of them.

(for those who don't know Morrison wrote that book as a nearly dead-on parody of the stupid team book of the early '90's.)

[ 01-08-2001: Message edited by: Kriztalyne ]
 
 
Annunnaki-9
19:08 / 01.08.01
Iesu Gloriae, I never knew Neal Adams, a fella whose art, great as it is, is pretty safe, could be such a freak.

What is it about comics and crack-pots? We all know and love Morrison and Moore, but what about famed Spidey co-creator Steve Ditko and his Amazing Objectivist Manifesto called 'Static' that ran in the lamented Eclipse Comics line?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
00:43 / 02.08.01
Ms. Mystic was Neal trying to be dead serious.

It was two years between issues one and two and four between issues two and three.

But wasn't it awful purty art?
 
 
Cat Chant
00:43 / 02.08.01
Hmmm. Interesting. I thought the "factory that produces only pollution" in Mystic #1 was quite Grant Morrison...

Yes, the art is very nice, though I'm not very visually oriented (it takes me several reads of a Desert Peach to begin to have a clue what's going on, so I'll have to have another look and start figuring out how the layouts are composed, etc) - it's the dialogue that scares me.

"Your rashness is not matched by your prowess, thin-skin! Reconcile yourselves to becoming our prisoners!"

"Well, well. Greetings boys, my, my, but you're an ugly lot!... Say bye-bye!"

Must say I love the cover of #1 (woman w/ huge flaming sword standing on Earth and shouting "From this day forward the planet Earth is under MY protection. Defile it not or suffer the wrath of Ms Mystic!") - but I have to admit I love it in a camp way, which seems not to have been the idea.

Is any of his aggressively experimental 70's b/w stuff available?

[Edited to add this bit]

Just read the Wired article: the book sounds *amazing*, and I really, really want it. Hope it gets lots of attention, if not from scientists then from cultural studies/philosophy of science people... A graphic novel about two scientists talking in a bar which ends up with a new theory of the entire universe. This is exactly what my life has been missing, but I never knew it till now.

[ 02-08-2001: Message edited by: Deva ]
 
 
Ria
18:13 / 02.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Deva:
A graphic novel about two scientists talking in a bar which ends up with a new theory of the entire universe.


[grinning] have you seen My Dinner With Andre?

[ 02-08-2001: Message edited by: Kriztalyne ]
 
 
Cat Chant
17:15 / 04.08.01
no... haven't heard of it either (my illiteracy extends *way* further than comics) - is it a film?
 
 
Ria
17:20 / 04.08.01
yes. two actors, playing themselves, talk for the duration of the film. one of them mystically inclined, the other a materialist. some of the ideas discussed influenced me in a big way.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
23:20 / 07.08.05
Yesh, I am bringing this thread back from the dead, mostly because I have now slogged through a lot of the Big crossover that Neal Adams and his studio did at the beginning of the 90's: Death Watch 2000, which was notorious in that it didn't put out the final part of the story before starting the next crossover: Rise of Magic.

Adams had a whole studio of people drawing like him (kind of like DC and Marvel tried to do in the 70's), and it's very clear to me that Adams was so "big picture" that he couldn't communicate the ideas he had to people in such a way that they could understand and follow through on them. Ms. Mystic had a lot of "old hippie" ideas, some 70's mysticism and could have actaully been decent if Adams would have had someone around who could put a story together from his notes.

And the Big Graphic Novel About His Theory isn't out yet, but he IS going back and recoloring all of his old Batman work in such a way that it looks pretty muddy and messy.

I read an interview with him a few years ago when the interviewer asked why he didn't do comics anymore, and he showed the interviewer a drawing he was doing of a Ford Mini-van and said, "I'll make more money on this drawing than I could make drawing the X-Men for a year."
 
 
doctorbeck
13:33 / 08.08.05
am i just a bit whacked out today or did adams also do a series called Skate Man for Pacific Comics back in the day too? have number one i think, don't suppose there were many more. fairly awful man-on-skates story.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:26 / 08.08.05
It would seem so.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:28 / 08.08.05
Oh, and looky looky yonder—a more-or-less copmplete rundown of every issue of Ms. Mystic.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:21 / 08.08.05
I love the use of zip-a-tone on her outfit. Ah, I love zip-a-tone. I enjoyed slicing it out when I drew comics back in the day (my own, not professionally published). Zip-a-tone rules.
 
  
Add Your Reply