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Wildstorm history?

 
 
Mystery Gypt
17:45 / 28.07.01
so far, search engines haven't found it for me -- i'm looking for a document that can give me a one-stop history of the Wildstorm universe -- what its all about, who the characters are, etc etc. i want to be able to get a good handle on the whole story, such as it is. anyone know of such a document / site / etc?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
01:24 / 05.08.01
really, does NO one have a handle in that stuff? does it really all suck that much?
 
 
bio k9
02:40 / 05.08.01
Its just like all of the other comic company universes: lots of folks in spandex punching each other for various dubious reasons.

I'd recommend you get the Wildcats trades by Alan Moore, The Stormwatch trades by Warren Ellis, and the Authority trades by Ellis and Millar. All of them had good stories and good (or great-Authority) art. As for the rest of the Wildstorm Universe...well, who cares.

And what ever you do, stay away from Wildcats Vol. 2: Street Smart. That fucking atrocity couldn't even be saved by the beautiful art inside. I will gladly trade my copy for a dirty sock if anyone is interested.
 
 
sleazenation
07:51 / 05.08.01
actually flyboy and i keep having a disagrement about the authority wherer i point out that Authority of issue 13 is not significantly different to youngblood 1(which i bought for 15p in a back issue bin i'll hasten to add)...
 
 
Robot Man Reformed
08:48 / 05.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Biologic K-9:

And what ever you do, stay away from Wildcats Vol. 2: Street Smart. That fucking atrocity couldn't even be saved by the beautiful art inside. I will gladly trade my copy for a dirty sock if anyone is interested.


A dirty sock coming your way, then.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:05 / 05.08.01
If I inderstand correctly, M.G. isn't asking for recommendations of good Wildstorm comics, he's looking for a resource that provides a comprehensive chronological history of the Wildstorm Universe, probably for research purposes.

I don't think such a thing is available on the web.
 
 
bio k9
23:09 / 05.08.01
Yeah but, in the second post, Mystery Gypt asked "does it really all suck that much?" hence my reply: yes.

Oh yeah, Planetary gets a thumbs up too.

[ 06-08-2001: Message edited by: Biologic K-9 ]
 
 
Annunnaki-9
13:28 / 06.08.01
Personally, I've avoided all that 'universe' stuff like the plague. Part of the fun of comics is their very inconsistancy.

But I do like a good deal of the Wildstorm titles, Authority and Planetary in particular. Never read Stormwatch or whatever it was. Does anyone read 'Monarchy?' I was about to drop out of reading it, but it seems like they're getting better and better with every issue. I really enjoyed the last one about Henry Bendix, even though I only have the vaguest notion about him.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
19:47 / 07.08.01
ok, a long time ago 2 aliens races arrive on earth, kherans and daemonites, in the middle of a galctic struggle, they continue fighting through the ages, Zealot, later of wildcats fame, somewhere along the way creates the Coda assasins.

in post vietnam (or pre, it gets kinda wolverineish here) the US govt makes the TEAMs presumably starting with 1 but the one that concerns us is 7, which had members like Grifter, Deathblow and Fairchild from Gen13s dad.

years later the UN makes stormwatch and things go to hell when warren ellis starts writing it.

PART 2 to Come
 
 
Mystery Gypt
13:44 / 08.08.01
Elijah! Thank you! this is exactly the kind of thing i'm looking for. keep it coming!

and yes, of course, Cameron got it right -- total research project; i'm not just trying to bone up on answers to comics edition trivial pusuit. i'm looking for the stories and the details -- whether or not they were any fun to read the first time through.

i've read planetary and some of stormwatch, and they're fantastic... but i find most of wildstorm really dull to get though -- hence this thread... bring it on!
 
 
sleazenation
14:30 / 08.08.01
yeah the first (and pretty much only up until the birth of planetary/authority) wildstorm comics were the first 4 issues of Wildcats which covers (or at least sows the seeds for) the Deamonite war the coda assasins an even mentions the bleed if memory serves... unfortunately it wasn't terribly gripping stuff and i failed to continue buying it after the first mini.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
15:47 / 08.08.01
*ok, a long time ago 2 aliens races arrive *on earth, kherans and daemonites, in the *middle of a galctic struggle, they continue *fighting through the ages, Zealot, later of *wildcats fame, somewhere along the way *creates the Coda assasins.

Since I am a geek and have a bizarre fondness for the Wildstorm U at times, let me help out here as well.


in post vietnam (or pre, it gets kinda wolverineish here) the US govt makes the TEAMs presumably starting with 1 but the one that concerns us is 7, which had members like Grifter, Deathblow and Fairchild from Gen13s dad.

Actually Team 1 is of equal concern. Team 1 went on one mission before it got shut down because of the disasterous end of the mission. It was started by Lord Emp (that dwarf from WildCATS who was until recently also an immortal alien like Zealot) and various government angecies. It featured:

Jackson King's Father.
Young Hank Bendix.
Zealot in an Emma Peel kind of phase.
John Colt, also an immortal alien, also the man the Spartan robot in WildCATS was designed to emulate.
Majestic, also an imortal alien, this one with superman level powers.
And a few others that I don't recall right now.

There were several other Teams until Team 7 was formed. The original Team 7 was the result of an experiment by International Operations (the generic shadow CIA baddies in the Wildstorm U) which resulted in half of them dying and the other half getting godlike powers.

This team featured:
Deathblow (whose powers didn't manifest for years)
Grifter (currently a Wildcat)
Backlash (also an alien half-breed)
Dane (leader of Wetworks)
Lynch (Father Figure to Gen13)
Fairchild (Catlin Fairchild's Dad)
Chang (Grunge's Dad)
and a few others I'm forgetting.

They all go rogue and stop working for the government except for (due to convoluted reasons) Lynch who works for IO and Dane who leads the 2nd Team 7.

The 2nd Team 7 is sent on another suicide run by IO, this time contaminating them with alien symbiotes and involving them in a war with Werewolves and Vampires. They went rogue and became the WETWORKS. However, no one ever read that book anyway...

Backlash became a founding member of Stormwatch which was founded after Jackson King's Dad and 2 others went insane after a comet seeded the earth with strange radiation giving certian people latent powers.

They were put down and Stormwatch was formed. It was made up mostly of people who were "seedlings". Seedlings had potential power granted them by "The Comet Effect" but generally needed to be "activated" by someone else with very specific powers. Synergy from Stormwatch, now of the Monarchy, is an Activator. Wish who was in the Changers was also an Activator.

Some Seedlings who are still active include:

Jackson King and Christine "Synergy" King from THE MONARCHY and Swift of the AUTHORITY.

Oh, and speaking of the Monarchy, it's one of my Favourite Damn books each month. It can't seem to get a fair shake. People bitch that it's "an AUTHORITY clone" and then bitch when there are no massive scenes of uberviolence and generic superhero action. While I like how the series has been kicking off, I do think Rev Young needs to state some basic tenets of the series plainly in order to clear up some confusion.

It's like Starman meets Doom Patrol meets Stormwatch.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
15:53 / 08.08.01
Oh yeah:

Union. Union was an alien soldier from another dimension who fell to earth and fought the good fight. He was a provisional member of Stormwatch and had his own alien baddies to fight. He retired from super-heroing however became active again in the "Fire From Heaven" event where he fought The Sowrd who was him from an alternate reality.

Eventually Bendix fired him from Stormwatch and several years later he committed suicide at one of the Authority's parties.

Jackson King somehow resurrected him and he's back although a shell of his former self. He acts pretty much like The Sword once did.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
03:02 / 09.08.01
Kevin, you are the new geek god.

Anyhoo
stormwatch/authority
Henry bendix is weatherman, he creates 3 stormwatch teams, most noteworthy is black, with swift, hawksmoor and jenny sparks.

after a few issues with varius strangeness like trips to the last shot bar and suchlike, a team of ppl, including the original engineer and the most recent Dr decide they will change the world, they are led by a majestic lvl super guy that jenny knew in the past. Bendix freaks out, send rose tatoo and the rest in to kill them, just as everyone finds out what is going on Bendix escapes and jenny succeeds in burning him with a vile amount of voltage (or wattage). the entire group gets killed, and uberguy from jennys past goes splat against the sheild that surrounds the stormwatch station. the ideals of the now dead group are what lead jenny to make the authority, and this leads to Jackson King becoming weatherman. A few issues later they look through the bleed and see a universe where hawksmoor is weatherman, and is in my opinion the best single issue in Ellis' run.

Meanwhile, in wildcats:
the original team sans grifter fly off into space to the planet khera where they learn that the deamonite war is long over anf the "good" guys won. the team falls apart as they are seperated by their caste system and the stories are kinda bland and lifeless. However, on earth TAO along with Majestic and zealots sister (whom i somehow missed the introduction of) for an all new all violent wildcats and things go to hell when it is found out that TAO used his super human scheming powers to start a crime war to make him look good, he gets killed, and the original wildcats return and shennanigans ensue.

The bleed, a history:

scientists find it in britain pre 1950.
the shift ships of sliding albion come through, more to come, (i gotta go home from work
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
22:13 / 09.08.01
to continue:
Sliding albion was an alternate briton where aliens had arrived in the renesaince and set up shop. the aliens were blue. Anyway, after many exiting adventures with jenny sparks the sliding albion folk ended up getting into a war with their europe, and were attacked with a chem wepon, which albion sent through a slide door into briton, therby causing a similar effect as that of the comet that gave many of stormwatch their powers.

the bleed is where the Authority keep their home, as well as what the secret heroes that doc bronze was part of opened and all got killed by an alternate JLA.

::::::Side note, not part of the history but a bit of geek info::::::
in an issue of planetary (dont recall which one) snow and co. find the 4s lab where there are all these neat things we learn the history of. on is a superman analog, one wonderwoman, and the third is gl, this is the umpteenth time that ellis has killed the jla by the way. Anyway, after the evil dr extracts the lantern from an alien he says something about bendix wanting it. In stormwatch we see the original team apollo and midnighter were part of have a guy named lamplight who has a battery in his chest, same battery! GEEK!

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Elijah Non Grata ]
 
 
Mystery Gypt
20:22 / 10.08.01
you guys rule!

i've just read the WildCATS homecoming, Serial Boxes, and i'm cooking through the stormwatches. so far its all pretty interesting wel ldone stuff.

i have a question about the epic historical scale. the deamonite kerhan war had been raging for how long? thousands, hundreds of years? zealot and emp were on earth for hundreds of years? but most of the myth action is all like 1920s and later... have they done much with aspects of the war from centuries before? or info about the war on other planets, from long ago? that sort of thing?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
20:54 / 12.08.01
not a lot on other worlds, and i believe there was a flashback sequence of zealot in armor once or twice, however it was not until earths tech was higher that things began to heat up

ENG
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
18:55 / 13.08.01
The key to the Kehrubim/Daemonite war is this: it was over since about the time they landed on Earth.

Much like Japaneese troops marooned on south seas islands well after the end of WWII, the alien forces on Earth were fighting a war that had ended many years earlier.

There hasn't been much fleshing out of the past of the fight on Earth beyone the early 20th century.
 
 
RadJose
02:19 / 15.08.01
uh i was a BIG wildstorm geek for a few years, from the begining of image up until i think the Gen 13 on going series issue 2, and in a superb geeky fasion had all my wildstome comics in chonological order to eachother... uh yeah, super geeky... but um... yeah zealot was in the trojon war, in the horse no less, wildc.a.t. trilogy, art by jea lee, it's was nice, so yeah... if the only other thing i can think of significant in that era was there was a explosion on some island that was ALWAYS mentioned in the wildstorm books back then (started w/ a G) and all the books at the time (wilcats, gen13, stormwatch) all were arround the area... yeah i need to stop
 
 
deletia
06:58 / 15.08.01
Gamorra?
 
 
bio k9
07:19 / 15.08.01
Only because Genosha was already taken.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
23:27 / 16.08.01
ok so next question -- back when everyone thought the war was on, how did that kind of fighting play out? was it like kerhans and daemonites each secretly taking sides in earth conflicts and using humans as pawns? like the deamonites had troy and the kerhans had greece, that kind of thing? and what the hell was even at stake for them?

and the whole IO / team 7 thing, that's all about how the us government was aware of the Kehran / deamonite thing? did they do the whole "Retroengineer alien technology" thing?
 
 
RadJose
01:33 / 17.08.01
as far as i know gypt the Trojan War was the was the only thing that comes close to what yr askin' as far as i know they just secretly fought each other.. good question, as to IO thing, i don't think they knew too much and i don't think they retro engineered anything either... of cource if they did that was revealed AFTER i stopped readin' all that
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
01:47 / 17.08.01
i dont think it was a reverse engineering thing
i think the feds wanted to put chemicles and guys together and tried it
there is a chance that the kherans/daemonites wanted to make better warriors

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