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Promethea: Genius or Pile of dirty pants?

 
 
Ellis
21:36 / 27.07.01
From Ninth Art

quote: Is PROMETHEA a challenging work of incredible genius, or the elegantly rendered ramblings of a respected crackpot? Roll up, roll up for the mystery tour.

PROMETHEA. One of those books that you're practically obliged to say you like, in order to be taken remotely seriously. Everyone loves the thing.

And yet PROMETHEA's letters column is taking on a bizarrely defensive tone,as it seeks to justify the book's near-total abandonment of plot in favour of a series of lectures from Alan Moore about philosophy and mysticism. Things got off to a good start in issue #14, when the editorial response to a negative letter was marvellously paranoid and invoked fascism. The current issue develops the theme, carrying a one-paragraph letter of complaint before devoting most of a page to letters from people running down this viewpoint.

Nick Kask, who says he's a writer himself, opines that "Whether we agree with what Alan is saying or not, we cannot argue with how he is saying it. ... Some people should realize this. Please continue challenging both the medium and its readers." Brian Griesbach, meanwhile, writes to congratulate himself on being one of the enlightened ones who are enjoying the book: "People sure like to complain when they're not getting the standard crap far, don't they? ... This book is so new and different, at least for comics, no wonder some people are getting nervous."


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Agree? Disagree?
 
 
Ganesh
15:48 / 28.07.01
I like it, but it's neither 'genius' nor 'pants'. I've never really judged a comic book by its letters page (I rarely, if ever, read 'em), so I haven't noticed the supposed defensiveness.

The 'tarot' issue dragged and was a bit wanky. Otherwise, I think it has had a plot (albeit a fairly slow-paced one) and stands up reasonably well to criticism.
 
 
Dharma Bum
18:59 / 28.07.01
I dunno, I just bought the softcover that just came out, because I wanted to see what all the fuss was about.

It was....eh. Okay.

Like a lot of Moore's ABC stuff, I found a great deal of it to be far too, I dunno, referential and clever. Far too much just rehashing of old stuff-- I know, Iknow, it's supposed to be "reinventing old archetypes" or whatever, but it just didn't strike me as terribly engaging.

So far, the only ABC thing I've really liked was League of Extraordinary Gentlemen....anyone know when the next miniseries is supposed to come out?
 
 
Axel Lambert
19:18 / 28.07.01
I thought the tarot story was one of the best. Also liked that evil clown. But, yeah, it's really only reasonably good stuff.

Beautifully drawn, though.
 
 
bio k9
22:48 / 28.07.01
I think Promethea gets a bad rap because it's Alan Moore but not the same quality and/or density of Watchmen and From Hell. Moore seems to be taking a well deserved break after the ordeal that was From Hell. Now that Top Ten is taking a break, Promethea is, without a doubt, the best of the ongoing ABC titles. Better than Tom Strong (which would be perfect for Hollywood). Moore is coasting...and getting paid what he should have been for Swampo Thing and V for Vendetta. Good for him. And if people don't like it they shouldn't buy it.
 
 
bio k9
22:52 / 28.07.01
Heh, I called it "Swampo Thing". Heh.
 
 
the Fool
03:25 / 30.07.01
So, people seem to agree that Promethea is beautiful to look at. Its not your standard comic, and the plot is irregular.

The problem is?
 
 
Warewullf
03:25 / 30.07.01
I love it. It's probably the one book I really look forward to getting me hands on.

I'm studying magic so I find the whole thing quite fascinating.

And it really is beautiful to look at.
 
 
Ganesh
10:07 / 30.07.01
A few more hairy men and it'd be perfect...
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:19 / 30.07.01
I think the book's great... My GF loves it... Got her into Moore's Swamp Thing early on and eventually into the Invisibles... She's totally dug them but seems to be more of a Moore fan than a Morrison fan.
Promehthia totally speaks to her... the fact that alot of what it's saying has magikial context is a side bonus as it's a topic I'm interested in but rarely has there such a "friendly" source of explanation of these ideas...

I think there an excellent plot developing... the pacing seems to give it part of it's uniqueness. Take for instance the subplot of the possessed mayor. Most comics would have followed such a predictable course, Meanwhiles leading to the ultimate Battle.
Yes many of the elements have been used before...yet the method of it's use... even down to the version 2 Promethia is caried off with such style... it's consistantly a pleasure to read!!!

The art also!!! BAM

Bummer that TOP 10's taking a break...when, how? will it return? Is there at least another issue due out?

Genius... I don't know.
Still, definately in my top 5 books to read & lend!!!
 
 
Mercury
09:16 / 31.07.01
Personally, I think Alan Moore doesn't write comic books. He uses comic books. I remember him saying that he wanted to give poetry and horror mixed together when he was doing Swamp Thing. I think comic books interest him as a medium. He always wants to see how far he can push it. What can he say through a comic book. Promethea is about Magick. It's nothing but a description of Moore's magickal system. I'm not an expert but it looks like a fusion of Hermetics and Cabala, with Tarot being the cement, maybe. HE managed to put Christianity on the side. He's trying to do the same all those Renaissance Magi did.

I myself love it. Not only the book in itself, but the concept in the contextof a comic book line (ABC). I don't really have to dig it all now (and I don't), it takes time to tell a genius from a hot air baloon. What I get from those pages is "potential", like something is brewing there and I don't quite know what it is. Maybe it's just Alan getting magick off his system.

- Mercury
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:58 / 31.07.01
you must have LOVEd the latest issue...

MERC...

 
 
Mercury
09:58 / 31.07.01
shit..
my cover's blown
 
 
Annunnaki-9
13:32 / 31.07.01
I'm a huge fan of it myself. It would be worth every cent and then some for the art alone, but the fact that it's about what I call 'traditional' western occultism kicks ass. And also, again, a girlfriend pleaser. I'm using it to ease my girl into magic. She, like several women I've brought into the comic-book fold is really turned off by 'the Invisibles,' but this baby is working.
 
 
Warewullf
07:50 / 01.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Ganesh:
A few more hairy men and it'd be perfect...


 
 
gman
07:50 / 01.08.01
Challenging proposition: League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Top 10, Tom Strong or Tomorrow Stories beat Promethea hands down...
 
 
Robot Man Reformed
16:21 / 02.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Ganesh:
A few more hairy men and it'd be perfect...


Ewwww....., don't try to spoil a work of genious, darlen.
 
 
z3r0
16:32 / 02.08.01
*z3r0 contorts in anger. He can't read it cos it never made to our tropical shores. Then he contorts again.*
 
 
Chuckling Duck
15:01 / 06.08.01
I’m quite annoyed by Paul O’Brian’s review of Promethea from Ninth Art. I don’t mind that he doesn’t care for Promethea’s subject matter—there’s no arguing with taste—but O’Brian goes on to stereotype the Promethea audience as would-be elitists who sneer down their aquiline noses at the common man who can’t appreciate Promethea the way they can: “If only you were as insightful and thoughtful as we are, you'd be able to appreciate PROMETHEA for the work of genius it is. What a shame it is that you're some kind of mental defective. You probably listen to the Backstreet Boys.”

As a admirer of the series, I know that it’s not to everyone’s taste, but I find that it appeals to more than lone connoisseurs. I’ve introduced several friends to Promethea. Some loved it, some were ambivalent, but the quality of the series’ art and writing have such universal appeal that no one I’ve shown it to has hated it outright. (I assure you my friends, a contentious bunch, wouldn’t hesitate tell me if they disliked the series.)

O’Brian acknowledges that the writing and art in Promethea are masterful, but belittles the series’ content as little more than the musty philosophical ramblings of a flaky ex-hippy. He concludes that the book will never attract more than a fringe audience.

I must disagree. The art of Promethea drew me in, but it’s the substance of the series that has elevated it to the top of my list of recommended comic reading. The didactic approach Promethea brings to comics makes it stand out in an industry largely devoid of any goal beyond entertainment. It’s refreshing to read a comic book that expounds on metaphysics and philosophy, and tells an engaging story in the process. Now, I’m not a believer in the occult; I’m an agnostic and skeptic with a “prove it!” attitude to the supernatural. But Promethea isn’t really about “magic” in the sense of casting spells and summoning spirits. It’s about ideas, and the seemingly supernatural power some ideas have to perpetuate themselves. With less suspension of disbelief than it takes to believe in a green ring that can create giant hammers, I enjoy the series completely.

O’Brien’s complaints aside, there’s reason to think that this kind of writing has wide appeal. Witness the abiding popularity of certain contemporary novelists that expound philosophy in their fiction (Tom Robbins, “Even Cowgirls Get the Blues”; Robert Pirsig, “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”; Richard Bach, “Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah” . To believe that a similarly diverse audience for Promethea couldn’t exist is to take a narrow view of comic’s potential, to suppose that the comics can be entertainment and nothing more. I hope Promethea finds its audience, because something this delightful shouldn’t be kept a secret.
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:15 / 08.08.01
WERD!!!
 
  
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