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Marvel Boy Trade - Fucked!

 
 
CameronStewart
14:44 / 20.06.01
Just picked up the new Marvel Boy collection at my local comic shop. It's printed on lovely glossy paper, superior to the paper used in the original monthlies, it's priced reasonably, working out to be cheaper than buying the individual issues, but...

BUT...

In almost every single instance of a double-page spread, the clods that designed the book have split up the spread, meaning one half of the drawing is printed on the right-hand page, and you have to flip over the see the second half. It's ugly and jarring and unbelievable that they let that get through, instead of adding a few blank pages at the back to juggle the layout.

What a disappointment.
 
 
Tom Coates
15:36 / 20.06.01
Jesus. That's appalling. Do you think they'll do a fix and a reprint?
 
 
CameronStewart
16:15 / 20.06.01
Keep in mind Marvel's sword-of-damocles financial situation - it's probabaly not enough of a problem in their eyes to warrant expenditure on a corrective reprint.

Looking through it again, it's not every spread that's ruined - the double-splash title pages of each issue remain intact. But there's still several major spreads that are split up.

What's even more disappointing is how lovely the book is otherwise - the paper quality really is superb, it's just a terrible shame it's spoiled by piss-poor layout.

Wouldn't have happened at DC...
 
 
Tom Coates
16:18 / 20.06.01
How do they normally manage it - surely without adverts (unless they're always start on an odd number of the piece itself) this necessarily happens occasionally. And you can't put a blank page in the middle of an issue, can you?
 
 
CameronStewart
16:23 / 20.06.01
They could put blank pages between chapters, or add a few at the front or back. It's a matter of fiddling and juggling, but isn;t that what book designers are paid for?
 
 
Lee
16:44 / 20.06.01
Man, am I glad I don't follow the "wait for the trade" brigade.

What a mess!
 
 
Ellis
18:09 / 20.06.01
Yea, you know I was really looking forward to a trade of this but now... urgh...

Dissapointing!

*Hopes it will be reprinted.*

*Wonders if the full fifteen issues could be collected at the end of the run*
 
 
E Randy Dupre
19:19 / 20.06.01
You think that's bad, you should have seen the hardback Promethea collection. "Fucked" doesn't even begin to describe it.
 
 
Graeme McMillan
19:58 / 20.06.01
quote:Originally posted by Ellis:
*Wonders if the full fifteen issues could be collected at the end of the run*


Fifteen issues? I thought it was supposed to be three series of six issues each. Wouldn't that make it eighteen issues?

And the reprint does sound somewhat fucked, really. You'd think someone would've noticed. *sigh*
 
 
CameronStewart
20:07 / 20.06.01
What's wrong with the hardcover Promethea book? I've got it, didn't notice anything glaringly wrong...
 
 
E Randy Dupre
11:13 / 21.06.01
Oh great. You mean it's just mine?

Basically, chapter two gets interupted halfway through by the end of chapter one, then returns where it left off, plays up to the bit where Sophie yells "Stacia... Behind you...", then ends. Chapter 2 then starts all over again, runs for six pages (to "If you're under twenty, chances are you're either THERE or KNOW someone who is!"), before suddenly jumping back to "Stacia... Behind you..."

If I didn't already own those first two issues I wouldn't have the first idea what was going on.
 
 
bio k9
11:45 / 21.06.01
Just yours Randy. My copy of Akira Vol. 1 had a similar problem and it took me forever to notice because I was reading it a small bit at a time. I thought I was opening the book to the same place every time but it was just the same 60 pages reprinted where some new pages should have been. Anyway, its time for you to return it. Its defective so they will get a refund from the distributer. If you got it at a comic shop and they wolnt let you return it take it to a Borders or Barnes and Noble (theyre not to picky about reciepts) and find a new comic shop.
 
 
Locust No longer
04:02 / 24.06.01
-Stupid question alert-

How many issues of Marvel Boy were there?
 
 
Ellis
05:39 / 24.06.01
quote:Originally posted by Locustcrashsthorax:
-Stupid question alert-

How many issues of Marvel Boy were there?


Six.
 
 
Sam Lowry
23:08 / 26.06.01
I think I'm still getting it this weekend (the Marvel Boy TPB)... I'm warned now, so it's really no big deal...

It could be much worse: the first time I read Why I hate Saturn, I found out that the last 30 or so pages were missing (there was instead a repetition of the previous pages). Man, was I pissed off! (it was late at night and I was really hooked on the story). The next day I took it to the comic store and got it replaced (though it took some time explaining the problem -and several close revisions of the pages in question- to the guy at the counter. He didn't seem to understand... )
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:53 / 27.06.01
I might get shot for this . . .

but I didn't mind the Marvel Boy problem too much.

The pages where the spread carried over to another page sort of gave me a sence of Motion amidst the reading . . .

OK, <<throwing last ciggertte to the ground>> fire when ready!!!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:00 / 28.09.04
Am I missing something obvious or is my book missing something? At the end of Marvel Boy episode I in the trade paperback, he's destroyed or fired several NYC buildings to make letters when seen from above.

"Gigantic letters. 'Y'. 'O'."

Big shot of YOU spelled out over Manhattan.

"Oh-kay."

"There's more, Director Dugan."

"Yeah, I'll bet there is."

but there isn't. So...are we supposed to assume he wrote Fuck You, or You Fucks, or did he just write You, or, erm, is there something else.

It is all stolen from Paul Auster anyway
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:24 / 28.09.04
Judging by the tone of the comic I'd assume it's a big FUCK YOU.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:24 / 28.09.04
how is it stolen from Paul Auster?

>> but there isn't. So...are we supposed to assume he wrote Fuck You, or You Fucks, or did he just write You, or, erm, is there something else.

Yes, he wrote "Fuck You". I believe there are indications in the panels of something that looks like the extreme right of a "K"...? I may be mis-remembering about seeing part of a K, but the idea is that we're meant to assume gave NYC the big metaphorical finger.
 
 
Krug
21:17 / 28.09.04
It's Fuck You.

Interestingly the censored Catcher in the Rye has the same "You" where fuck was censored.
 
 
Aertho
22:46 / 28.09.04
Finderwolf -

Paul Auster wrote a comic called "City of Glass" in which a character spells out a word using daily walks around Manhattan. That sounds absolutely ridiculous now that i read it... He's being watched, basically, and the guy watching him maps out his daily treks, and finds they resemble letters.

I'd suggest getting it. It's a fun little headfuck.
 
 
CameronStewart
00:13 / 29.09.04
Actually, to clarify - Paul Auster wrote the novel City Of Glass, which was adapted into a comic by Paul Karasik and David Mazzuchelli.

It's a brilliant comic, free of printing errors.
 
 
Simplist
02:08 / 29.09.04
And you can't put a blank page in the middle of an issue, can you?

Some of the JLA trades have all-black pages here and there to allow for two-page spreads; works well, you barely even notice them (I think it was JLA--some DC book, at any rate).

I bought the Marvel Boy trade a couple of years ago (have they just reprinted it or something?) and was sufficiently annoyed with all the printing errors that I didn't even keep the book--it went directly onto my used-bookstore-bound stack as soon as I read it. If they have indeed reissued such an error-riddled printing without correction, that's kind of sad...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:07 / 29.09.04
Wasn't this very problem the reason Jhonen Vasquez invented Filler Bunny?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
16:08 / 29.09.04
Well, I've looked at it again and really can't see the word "fuck" even suggested. I'll take your collective word for it.

It'

Interestingly the censored Catcher in the Rye has the same "You" where fuck was censored.


Could you explain this? I like the novel very much but from this one sentence I'm afraid I don't know what you mean.
 
 
Krug
20:31 / 29.09.04
Consider this excerpt...

"But while I was sitting down, I saw something that drove me crazy. Somebody'd written "Fuck you" on the wall. It drove me damn near crazy. I thought how Phoebe and all the other little kids would see it, and how they'd wonder what it meant, and then finally some dirty kid would tell them - all cockeyed, naturally, what it meant, and how they'd all think about it and maybe even worry about it for a couple of days. I kept wanting to kill whoever'd written it. I figured it was some perverty bum that'd sneaked in the school late at night to take a leak or something and then wrote it on the wall. I kept picturing myself catching him at it, and how I'd smash his head on the stone steps till he was good and goddam dead and bloody. But I knew, too, I wouldn't have the guts to do it."

Censored copies were widely distributed that only had "YOU" instead of "FUCK YOU" in there and the whole thing took a completely different meaning to me because the first time I read it, I read a copy (Published by Pengiun I think) that didn't have the "FUCK YOU" only a "YOU" in the book. I was a bit confused but made up some sort of explanation.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:08 / 29.09.04
I don't think I've ever read "Fuck You" in the book. I actually own half a dozen editions so maybe I should compare them.

Off the top of my head I'd say the one I read had something like "--- You", not just "You".

Anyway I take your point now thanks...an interesting point.
 
 
A
12:06 / 30.09.04
[spoiler alert]


When SHIELD finally catch Noh-Varr near the end of Marvel Boy, the boss guy in the bowler hat (I forget his name) says something to the effect of "fuck you, too, kid", which is in reference to what he wrote in New York, but i think a lot of people didn't pick up on that (it took me a few reads before it sank in).
 
 
FinderWolf
17:17 / 30.09.04
>> Paul Auster wrote a comic called "City of Glass" in which a character spells out a word using daily walks around Manhattan. That sounds absolutely ridiculous now that i read it... He's being watched, basically, and the guy watching him maps out his daily treks, and finds they resemble letters.

I actually know the book and have read it - also read the comics version. I just wasn't sure if the poster above was saying that the blocks-spelling-out-words thing was inspired by Paul Auster or if he/she felt many other things in Marvel Boy were Paul Auster-inspired as well. Thanx!
 
  
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