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Stephen King: hanging up the shitty shoes...

 
 
Jack The Bodiless
23:42 / 01.02.02
He claims he'll be retiring from writing fiction, and that he's repeating himself... he'd rather go out on a high...

Does anyone else feel like this is a decision he should have made fifteen years ago? What was the last good book he wrote? Did anyone else chortle in an ironic, arch manner when he wrote a thousand page book entitled 'Desperation'?

The monkey boy has been average at best for a long time. The John Grisham of 'horror'. I shall dance/piss/perform Lovecraftian rituals on his writerly grave...
 
 
Trijhaos
00:01 / 02.02.02
King's retiring? I'd like to say good riddance, but I really want to know how the dark tower series ends. He's not going to be viewed in a favorable light if he leaves the fans of the series hanging.
 
 
Jack Fear
00:10 / 02.02.02
A day late and a dollar short, yeah; but even at that, he's far more self-aware than most. Most of 'em never quit.

King's problem, I think, is much like Michael Caine's: he's always got to be working, and it's quantity over quality. To play armchair psychiatrist for a minute, I reckon it's born out of a deep insecurity over money: he was dirt poor and desperate for a long, long time before his career took off, remember, and that's the kind of thing that can scar you for life.

He's been so relentlessly prolific, though, and remains so fundamentally simple in his tastes, that he need never fear poverty again. Good for him.

The guy can still muster up a compelling story when the spirit takes him: what's hurt his writing in recent years is a sense of unseemly haste, a get-'em-out-by-Friday-and-fuck-the-second-draft mentality that I found particularly disappointing given his perceptive criticism. The nonfiction Danse Macabre and On Writing prove that he's a man who thinks hard about the craft: a pity that so little craft has been evident in his recent work.

I doubt his "retirement" will be total: most likely it'll mean he writes fewer books, but better ones--a little patience, a little reflection; less raw inspiration and more polish.

EDIT:

Trijhaos, King claims he's going to do five more books before his retirement--and wrapping up the Tower series is a precondition for his retirement. Story here.

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
00:25 / 02.02.02
Yup. I think the guy's a great writer - always have. But (as a horro writer myself), what strikes me is that he's not had the bug to write in that genre for nearly two decades. For far too long, it's been derivative, over-long rubbish... I think he's wanted to write The Great American Novel since 'Christine'...
 
 
The Damned Yankee
00:49 / 02.02.02
I'm a guy who can read the same books over and over, but I can only read a King book once. I can't come up with a good metaphor for it, but once I read one of King's books, I see no point in going back to read it again. The thrill is gone.
 
 
Crenshaw
04:25 / 02.02.02
King's a brilliant story-teller who isn't slowed down simply because he doesn't have a story to tell. Wonderful characters, horrible plots.

Will he be passing his crown to Barker, or is there another candidate? I haven't read horror in a long time...is there anyone worth reading in the genre?
 
 
Jackie Susann
07:45 / 02.02.02
I think the biggest problem with his recent-ish work is that he's such a big name, and sales are so inevitable, that editors are afraid to mess with his work. Everything since at least Misery could have used serious cutting back/rewriting.

I still fucking love It. It would be in my top five books except everybody I know would laugh at me.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
04:49 / 03.02.02
i was at the interview muriel gray did with king maybe 4 years ago now, and he pretty much stated back then that he was retiring, so i'm not sure how seriously i take this news. i remember 'gerald's game' as being probably his best, as it was genuinely fucking disturbing. he is a great storyteller and knows how to write about people so well, but he always made me tear my hair out with frustration cos i knew all the way through his books that there was going to be a happy ending.

clive barker is more fantasy based than horror, these days. as a horror writer myself, i must optimistically claim the horror crown (yeah, fucking right!).

[ 03-02-2002: Message edited by: shortfatdyke ]
 
 
invisible_al
10:53 / 03.02.02
Well I haven't read any King apart from the Dark Tower series in a long time, Green Mile I bought because I was very bored and that was pretty bad.

I actually think his fantasy work is his best, The Dark Tower series and The Talisman with Peter Straub are some of his books that I can still read.

But oh my god does he need editing He's a wordy writer at best, with the old 7 pages to introduce a character, how they grew up, their favourite foods and then murders them horribly. But the editors are afraid to mess with the goose that laid the golden egg.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
11:56 / 03.02.02
King's work was important back in the 70's, when he took horror away from being rip-offs of Lovecraft and made into modern trashy fiction like Irving Wallace. Then, IMHO, in the mid 80's, he got so big his editors wouldn't work with him but instead would just let him go...and he could no longer write a decent ending of a novel.

One thing in his favor, for all the fevor of his fans, he always treated writing like a job, and never seemed to be full of himself. His early novels (up to It) were great fun to read...and almost strange in that they were the last bunch of books that you could talk to normal people about.

What do I mean by that? Now, reading novels isn't something very many people do, and even when I try to talk about best-selling books, people haven't read them and don't much care to.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:47 / 03.02.02
quote:Originally posted by invisible_al:
I actually think his fantasy work is his best, The Dark Tower series and The Talisman with Peter Straub are some of his books that I can still read.

I agree, which is why I'm really curious about Black House. Has anyone here read this? It's gotten really seriously good reviews, which might have more than a little to do w/the fact that it's not all King. The Talisman was great when I read it, but that was...15 years ago or so, and I don't know how well it would hold up (or if it would even be necessary to remember anything from The Talisman to 'get' Black House). Anyway.
Arthur Sudnam
 
 
Warrington Minge
20:23 / 03.02.02
There are a few references to The Talisman in Black House and a number of characters do reappear but you should be able to access it without re-reading The Talisman.

The talisman is definately one of my favourite king books so my expectations for Black house were very high yet like most of the books King has written over the last five or six years I seem to have gotten waylaid about half way through. They seem to flounder at various points. where as old style King was always a breathtaking ride to the end. Not really wanting to put the book down.

I've found Black house to be quite odd in places. the first part, for instance, seems to be written in a really strange style. "we float.." here and "we move.." there. I kept wondering who is this "we..". There also seems to be quite a few references to the current spate of teen slasher flicks. even the villan is called The Fisherman which i am sure is a name that was used for a serial killer in the film I know what you did last summer.

Dont get me wrong I'm quite enjoying it but, in my view Black house is not a patch on the Talisman.

Still sad to see Stephen Kings bowing out. It could also have something to do with the fact that he is gradually going blind. Some disease apparently. He talked about it on an Omnibus special about him shown some time ago. I still have to say though that I have not fully enjoyed a King book without stopping halfway through since The Tommyknockers. Which is a shame as I think he's a fantastic writer. He has the ability to make the most mundane of storylines seem fantastical. Vampires, Werewoves, Rabid Dogs etc. Cornball stuff but in Kings hands very entertaining.
 
 
rizla mission
13:39 / 04.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Solitaire Rose:
King's work was important back in the 70's, when he took horror away from being rip-offs of Lovecraft and made into modern trashy fiction like Irving Wallace.


I think you've just hit the nail on the head regarding why I hate King so much.

"Another 'touching' portrait of smalltown America, then in Chapter.4 some half-arsed skinless corpse thing starts shambling around and chases someone's dog. Some plastic characters do way with it. If we're lucky maybe the devil will show up at the end."

Give me Lovecraft rip-offs any day over that crap.

I would rejoice at the news of his retirement, except he's already churned out enough stuff to last most writers about 18 lifetimes.
 
 
grant
19:27 / 04.02.02
Rizla: you should read his short stories.

The one where the astronaut comes back with a rash on his palms which eventually turns into a pair of eyes... scary. Weird.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
19:31 / 04.02.02
quote:Originally posted by grant:
Rizla: you should read his short stories.

The one where the astronaut comes back with a rash on his palms which eventually turns into a pair of eyes... scary. Weird.


I think just about everyone's short stories are better than their novels, but there is no outlet for short stories anymore. I still remember reading the first King collection of short stories and being totally creeped out.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
06:18 / 24.11.03
Looks like King got a literary award before retirement. And I guess he's aware that many critics think he's shit. Here's the article on King receiving the award and his speech involving his critics.:


The National Book Foundation has awarded its most prestigious writing prize to American author Stephen King. Not everyone in New York's literary community agreed that the best-selling writer of horror stories deserved the honor.
Stephen King, the prolific author of more than 50 books including The Shining, Carrie, and Salem's Lot, was honored with the National Book Foundation's 2003 Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters. The same award has been bestowed upon some of the greatest literary talents in American history, including Arthur Miller, Saul Bellow, and Toni Morrison, leading some critics to object to placing Mr. King in the same category.


AP
Stephen King addresses 2003 National Book Awards dinner in New York City
Mr. King addressed those naysayers in his keynote speech, saying he always knew he was an outsider when it came to the great authors of his time, and he is tired of reviewers who refuse to take notice of contemporary authors who have mass appeal.

"Nor do I have any patience with or use for those who make a point of pride in saying they have never read anything by John Grisham, Tom Clancy, Mary Higgins Clark or any other popular writer," he quipped. "What do you think? You get social academic brownie points for deliberately staying out of touch with your own culture?"

Mr. King told the audience how his wife, Tabitha, who is credited with rescuing his draft of the novel Carrie from the garbage can, had always encouraged him to keep writing, even when they were desperately poor. At the end of his speech, the crowd gave Mr. King a standing ovation.
 
 
Keith
07:31 / 27.11.03
in his defence: The Girl who loved Tom Gordon, The Regulators and Hearts in Atlantis (NEVER to be mistaken for the Movie version) were very good books in his recent canon.

Anyone heard the rumour that Tabitha King ghost writes his more "female-o-centric" books?
I'm thinking Dolores Claiborne, Rose Madder etc. here.
 
 
h3r
18:17 / 10.12.03
being a big fan of the gunslinger series, has anyone read the new version of dark tower1 or the recently released dark tower5? I will definitely get it but was wondering what to expect....I hope someone will rip it to shreds so I will be pleasently surprised when I actually read it myself.

IMO the dark tower series is a very profund and important work of literature. I really dislike all the recent King novels, not that i have read em all, but the few I did I could care less about.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
18:45 / 10.12.03
Wolves Of The Calla is PHENOMENAL. It is so so so so very good.

And I completely agree, h3r. King's contribution to literature is significant and The Dark Tower series ties it all together with some of the finest writing he's ever done.

Go and get it.
 
 
deja_vroom
10:20 / 11.12.03
His best book to me will always be “pet sematary”. Everything there works like a charm, from the plot to the bleakness and the ending. Other book I found extremely funny in a scoobydooesque way was salem’s lot, which I read when I was 15 and really want to read again now… but that’s pretty much about it… read “the last stand” and was utterly disgusted with the “good vs evil” approach. oh, the short stories... "night shift", i think... v-e-r-y good, very creepy... the guy who got some fungus in his beer and... eugh. i really need to re-read them, too.
 
 
h3r
20:32 / 11.12.03
panthera, how could you not have liked the stand?!?!
yes the b&w / good vs evil situation is cheesy, but I did enjoy that book a lot...the next best thing he did to the towers series IMO... eversince i read it at age15 for the first time i have been dreaming of some catastrophe minimizing the population so I get to have some cool adventures and drama like the characters in the book....
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:14 / 12.12.03
I'm wondering why Barbelith doesn't have a Dark Tower Discussion topic, actually? It's such an interesting series, doesn't it deserve one? Any objections to starting one up? I'd love to chat with others about theories, symbolism, etc?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:38 / 12.12.03
I'm game. I'll set one up right now.
 
 
mario94606
07:07 / 20.10.04
some of his book get turned into tv movies that turn out to be so damn lame (except for the recent Salems Lot, but thats his early better works), what he needs to do is write something like "LOST"(abc). now that would be great, but with name stephen king you just expect certain things from him(storm of the century - lame) maybe he can get another pen-name and try experimenting a bit. heres wishing for something really good.
 
  
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