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The Politics of "Great Books"

 
  

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Ethan Hawke
12:10 / 29.01.02
Here's a pretty recent speech by Camille Paglia about canon formation:

The Mighty River

I haven't finished it yet (nor have I finished reading this thread).
 
 
Cavatina
21:29 / 04.02.02
Finally downloaded and read this - thanks for the link, todd. Putting to one side the politics informing her arguments for curriculum reform in the Humanities in (American) universities, I think that possibly the most relevant passage in regard to Tom's question and the dynamics of change is this:

[QUOTE]" Indeed, for some in this movement [to democratize the curriculum and reduce the number of texts by dead white males], questions of quality were fundamentally elitist, having been created, it was alleged, by a cabal of imperialist white males to perpetuate their own power. The actual mechanics of canon-formation over time were either unknown or ignored; in point of fact, major writers and artists have rarely possessed or were beneficiaries of power in the political sense; in most cases (as in that of the embittered Dante) they were eccentrics or social failures. Secondly, only sporadically, as in Victorian England, can it be shown that major art was primarily a political vehicle - and even then, it had little effect on the curriculum, which was still based on the classics. When scrutinized over a time-span of thousands of years, canon-formation, a process aleays fluid and open to dispute, is more intimately linked to artistic imput than to political ideology. We declare something is important and assign it to the curriculum when we find evidence of its influence on other artists. In other words, the canon is really about artistic fertility; it's the dynasty of works that have generated other works."
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
21:50 / 04.02.02
[Caveat: haven't read Todd's link, so may be barking up the wrong tree here]

But... isn't that rather predicated on the idea that the canon exists independently of those who form it? Which, as I've said before, is something I have a bit of a problem with. I think 'the canon' exists as a semi-separate entity to 'the corpus of great books'. Moreover, she seems to be suggesting that there was an ongoing *codification* of 'quality' before the Victorian period, and I actually think that things were a great deal more fluid. She seems to be conflating those who write the books with those who codify the canon as well, which again I think is a mistaken supposition... and this is because I really do not think one can look at canon formation 'over a time-span of thousands of years' - it's imposing a subjective view on past processes which is always suspect (at least), & I think that in this case she is taking the problematic concept of the canon (as a lit crit tool) and extending it to cover an awful lot of stuff which it shouldn't...

The political aspect of works - at least in the sense she seems to be using it - I think is therefore a red herring.

... though the idea that the whole thing is about 'the dynasty of works which have generated other works' is quite interesting - but very much *of this time* (mind you, what criticism is not?). It would be interesting to construct some genealogies, but I have a feeling that there would be some fairly major holes in most cases because of texts which have dropped out of sight.
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:55 / 04.02.02
I just kinda skimmed the article, but it seems pretty, um, wacky? A couple of incisive moments but generally just weird, and not in a particularly good way. Maybe I am mixed up - lit isn't my field at all - but isn't the canon a product of Leavisite eng lit fetishism, i.e., not more than a hundred years old? Anyway, far and away the best line in the piece is:

quote: I respect those psychedelic explorers of inner space who destroyed themselves in a genuine quest for truth.

Yeah, I bet you do Camille.
 
 
Cavatina
06:49 / 06.02.02
Posted by Kit-Cat:

"I really do not think one can look at canon formation 'over a time-span of thousands of years' - it's imposing a subjective view on past processes which is always suspect ..."

I agree. Paglia is simply dismissive of post-structuralist thought and post-colonial studies (which she lumps together monolithically) and she's obviously deeply dissatisfied with the 'multicultural' texts currently being taught in American universities. So I guess she doesn't *want* to scrutinise the politics of the formation of a canon in literary studies; how it resulted from pedagogical and publishing decisions made on the basis of received critical opinion as to what was legitimately part of a national tradition, and a consensus as to the meaning of literary value.

Instead, she places great emphasis on 'continuity'. She begins by using Coleridge's 'sacred river Alph'(which she amends to 'Alpheus') to figure (and, in my view, reify) 'the classical tradition in Western culture'. For her this is some sort of unbroken, indomitable essence. It might 'disappear underground' for a time, but 'it always reappears, forced up again with renewed power'. And like Harold Bloom, she appears to adhere to the extremely conservative view that students who miss out on reading 'the classics' - 'the long channels of lineage'; 'the great rivers of cultural tradition ... nearly always powered by religion' - are being denied access to great and enduring human truths.

So. 'Truths for whom?' we might ask.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
08:04 / 06.02.02
Well, precisely. I think that may link in with something Tempus said above:

I was once confounded by trying to find books by James Baldwin in the "Literature" section and seeing none, until I realized that I should be looking in the Af-Am area

... though it's hard to see whether that is ghettoisation or proactive 'alternate canon' formation.

Actually, I think I may take issue with the idea (Paglia's) that literature is *about* great and enduring truths... certainly I don't think that's *all* it's about. Also I am inclined to think that 'truths' are as mutable as anything else - the idea of an 'enduring truth' is pretty much discredited in my book.
 
  

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