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Help w/ Loki the Trickster God

  
 
Mister Snee
19:30 / 30.06.11
OK. This was an application that's no longer needed. An old password from the era when I made this account got me in, although the e-mail I registered with is defunct so I couldn't retrieve it, the application system is down, this name is long abandoned by me (flamoot) and logging in was the last thing I tried. It took four tries. Or five. I can't remember.

Let me follow up with each of the silly messages I sent to Tom, and just see what happens
 
 
Mister Snee
19:30 / 30.06.11
Hi, my name is flamoot. Sorry this is from a gmail.com address. Well
my real name is Eric, isn't it...

Can you help me out. I want to get back on the barbelith forums after
a long hiatus. My first thread was going to be for the Temple. I've
found invoking Loki to be powerful magic but I screwed it up both
times. I'll tell you about both time I invoked Loki, ok?

I know Loki is a caught thief in the Norse religion, a villainous
figure getting what he earned at the hands of some serpent that drips
venom in his eyes. He's in bondage, like me, now. I'm an activist
against the war on drugs and I'm in a mental hospital for probably
another week or two then they're going to give me long-acting oil
shots on an outpatient basis for the next six months. My second
invocation of Loki was to escape this hospital -- for my lawyer and I
to succeed at my review panel and set me unconditionally free, more
than a week ago. Obviously, nothing happened.

The -first- time I invoked Loki (both times were as part of a kind of
parcel of invocations involving multiple gods, but this first time
involved ten gods at each point of dual pentagrams which turned out to
be paired, I mean, the gods at a given point of both pentagrams turned
out to represent aspects of one another... quite brilliant, but
accidental... um. I used Ganesh at the top of both because he's helped
me too [god of success and the scribe... my life's works were lost to
the Ubuntu installer. Christ. Well], and the Lotus at the south-west
point. I don't know. I assumed the venom the serpent that binds him
drips in his eyes was hallucinogenic. That's how I got it backwards.
The Norse must have had a ritual hallucinogen, what could it have
been? Anyway, it's certainly not for Loki), ok, it was to escape a
-different- mental hospital. It succeeded, and on April Fool's day I
got out. I always use some fleet-footed gods for escape spells and
stuff. Anyway. Then I had really fascinating computer problems for two
days when I got home. Who cares? So Loki magic is strong and
dangerous. That's what I thought I learned. But now I think I was
being punished for working in the lotus (a reference to psychedelia)
as if it was a lesson or a comfort for him. Um. But he did set me
free, as I saw it, -although- he was in bondage.

Now I want to work with Loki -because- he is in bondage. And because I
have decided the serpent's venom is not hallucinogenic. I don't know
if you can do god-work wrong. But maybe choosing gods who might want
to help you in spite of something is just worse than choosing ones
who'd like to help you because of something...

So I thought I'd ask on barbelith, which takes me back, see... I might
have been on as Mister Snee as a kid if you want to grep your
archives. I can't remember what name I used. I imagined receiving just
single-word responses suggesting themes for a succesful invocation,
one pleasing to Loki, with only beneficial outcomes. A silly idea. I
thought, "cup", "chalice". At random

Then I remembered his wife holds the bowl that collects the serpent's
venom, and nearly cried. "Cup"

So if you'd let me on I'd dig that. If you never reply I understand too. Ok?

Ok

flamoot

PS It really was on april fool's day that they let me go. I took it to refer
to the name for a girl. I am not playing. But Loki does. Please advise...
and again I'm sorry for sending this straight on up to you Tom. Peace,
flamoot
 
 
Mister Snee
19:31 / 30.06.11
Note I know serpents have no hands. And sorry for any silly typos
 
 
Mister Snee
19:31 / 30.06.11
One more. When the escape spell went off on april fool's I thought on
what I learned from Neil Gaiman about Loki: that when the bowl fills
his wife has to empty it, which is when the serpent's venom can fall
in his eyes, and he curses her. April's a fool

It's like a letter back. Really, really powerful stuff. I guess I'm
kind of new to these things. But I've been occulting since my teens.

Please help. <3 flamoot
 
 
Mister Snee
19:31 / 30.06.11
Oh guess what. I got on as mistersnee

^-^
 
 
Mister Snee
19:32 / 30.06.11
That's all. Long time, folks.

Isn't no one around these parts no more
 
 
Mister Snee
19:39 / 30.06.11
(Sorry for using "that's all" and "folks" in the same breath just then. Ah.

"My book is about masks as a -metaphor-, Mister Ipkiss, a -metaphor-!")
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:47 / 01.07.11
"I don't know if you can do god-work wrong."

Yes. Yes you can.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:48 / 01.07.11
And you did.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:04 / 01.07.11
So here's what I get from those posts. You did some half-baked working where you shoehorned a bunch of different deities in one on top of the other with no regard for Their specific mysteries, the cultures from which They originated, without even bothering to learn the bare bones of their stories. You went in ignorant and it looks to me like you've come out sodding ignorant -- you think you learned something about Loki (and Sigyn) -- from fucking SANDMAN?

I could tell you plenty. I could tell you about living as a devotee of Loki for the past -- what is it now -- 6 years. I could tell you about the various hallucinogens employed by ancient Norse -- about the ferment of the mead, the white and red of the mushroom. I could tell you about the Berserkergang. About the oath of kinship between Loki and Odin. I could tell you about how while Loki is bound, He is also free.

But you know what? You've pissed me off so hard with your self-absorbed, didn't-make-the-least-effort drivel that I can't be bloody bothered. I spit on your trivial, pathetic fumblings toward mysteries you are too egocentric, too full of yourself and too mired in your greedy, entitled plug-and-play model of magic to even start to grasp.

Think this is mean? I'm just one cranky old witch on a bad day. Try this shit with Loki and see how nice He treats you.

(Fucking Sandman. I swear.)
 
 
Mister Snee
01:33 / 02.07.11
Ok, ok

I figured the Norse used Agaric. But this other girl needs the computer. Well, I am not a girl

More tomorrow awright
 
 
WireHead
21:18 / 04.07.11
I've never worked with a specific God beyond Jesus, and it still surprises me how people think they can just jump into God workings without knowing the first thing... or thinking that knowledge from pop culture is sufficient. Whatever Gods you sandwiched together on your pentacles probably were quite pissed to be reduced to all the same level.

Mister Snee, don't take it too hard, at the very least yours will be an example to other seekers on the web.
 
 
Mister Snee
21:46 / 07.07.11
More on this if I ever get out of the mental hospital.

I'd also appreciate suggestions to that effect
 
 
Mister Snee
21:47 / 07.07.11
btw wirehead i put the christian trinity on my first escape spell and it didn't work. the second one i did might be working slowly. if i get out this week i'll call it a success. next week would be less impressive
 
 
Mister Snee
21:47 / 07.07.11
my second one does not include the christian trinity. i can't even remember what it consists of right now. shows me

oh god

well
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:30 / 10.07.11
Man that was bizarre, you know? Hadn't even thought about the B. since I put up those LN links; then in the middle of something completely unrelated I got a sudden urge to check the board. Bam, there's this thread, started the same day, about my main Guy. So I check it out, and BAM, it's someone asking for help. So I sit down and start writing a nice, helpful piece -- thinking about which of my own experiences might be most relevant, scaring up links to material that I have found valuable... BAM, can't do it. Literally can't. OK, so I'll just navigate away, think it over, come back tomorrow or just leave it... can't do that either. I HAD to post something and it HAD to be that mean, cranky rant you see above.

I'm not apologising coz I'm not sorry, but I felt like you deserved some context.
 
 
Mister Snee
00:38 / 20.07.11
I understand. More in a few days. I made two scrolls, two potions and a cast in the last twelve weeks. The second escape spell I made in the hospital took about twenty days to work but maybe I would have died if I were allowed to stay outside longer. I've been homeless twelve weeks, which continues, which is why I'll be brief. I used Heimdall in place of Loki in my second scroll because I think Heimdall is like an anti-Loki I read somewhere once

I have to go now
 
 
Mister Snee
11:12 / 22.03.12
OK it turned into a six month bondage game

The doctor tranquilizing me was a mentally absent butcher of souls who intended to keep me on them forever but he evapourated in a flash of blue flame at the end

I mean this ugly twitchy girl I hated while I was in the hospital was -still in there- six months later when I was going for the hearing to end my shots after I'd already been out of there that long. Her hearing went over-long and adjourned mine, when the butcher doctor was there to argue I was dangerous, with witnesses and a lawyer of his own. She was using *my lawyer*. Ahh... so at my rescheduled hearing that doctor had retired or moved or something and it was this other doctor who agreed to end the shots when he saw my lawyer, who's a pretty big guy. What I'm saying here is,

I got really scared Loki was gonna show me what bondage is like on the scale of eternity for this. Like for being stupid. I was telling my friends so I fucked up, I have to banish him now, I mean, this could last years, it could take forever. But it turned out to be a bondage *game*... good

Well. Look. That first pentagram I made where the points were paired, this is messed up now, I think you can expect time/space edits from gods, especially trickster gods, right? Because,

North on both pentagrams was Ganesh

Northeast on the Hindu pentagram was Indra, who I included because of Indra's net representing the Internet and circuit-8 telepathic experiences on shrooms, to me, and on the Norse/Latin/Greek pentagram it was Hermes. A messenger god with Indra of the Net. Good,

And on the southwest of both was Padme the lotus

But the southeast of the Hindu pentagram was Shiva and the Northwest was Vishnu. I apparently had a Latin, Greek or Norse god matching them in their destructive and protective aspects, because I know each point on both pentagrams paired with the other. But I cannot remember or imagine which two gods paired with Shiva and Vishnu. And Loki doesn't match either but he *was* on the other one but where?! So, wtf, and,

If Loki -couldnt- have been on the Other-Than-Hindu pentagram, the second scroll of two that first time, when my escape spell worked perfectly, why did I assume it was because of Loki that it worked? I took April Fool's day as a message from *him*. Why!

So things have been changed around on me too but I'm happy those shots stopped. The tranquilizers were incapacitating. I snapped back but I might still get tired a little faster than before -- I might be damaged. It was called Fluenxol. Not some god. That drug. It sucked

But I guess those workings were interesting in the end. Man, a lot of my workings turn out interesting somehow.

Just thanks guys for the advice
 
 
EmberLeo
09:20 / 31.03.12
I assumed the venom the serpent that binds him drips in his eyes was hallucinogenic. That's how I got it backwards.

.... Huh?

that when the bowl fills his wife has to empty it, which is when the serpent's venom can fall in his eyes, and he curses her. April's a fool

... Um, that would be Sigyn, and that explanation is usually given for why there are Earthquakes - at least in Iceland, anyway.

What does "April" have to do with any of that?

And Loki doesn't match either but he *was* on the other one but where?!

I would have guessed Shiva, given the overall logic you used up until that point.

If Loki -couldnt- have been on the Other-Than-Hindu pentagram, the second scroll of two that first time, when my escape spell worked perfectly, why did I assume it was because of Loki that it worked?

How doped up on whatever for how long were you, locked up, etc. before you attempted this?

I took April Fool's day as a message from *him*. Why!

Well, maybe it was a backhanded gift - perhaps Loki was telling you you're a fool. If so, I'm afraid I agree with Him.

That said, I have a modern UPG that April Fool's Day does sort of belong to Loki. I have a friend who was conceived in sex magic to Loki whose birthday is April Fools Day - his life has been pretty fucking hard, so don't take that as an indication that this connection is an advisable one to work with.

So Loki magic is strong and dangerous."

Well, yes.

Do you think commandeering the magical help of other gods is safe?

-E-
 
 
jgbell
06:12 / 04.01.13
There was a recent article about etymology that suggested something I found very interesting in regard to Loki and Odin at An etymologist among the gods by Anatoly Liberman, quoted here in part:

"But the oldest functions of Balder and Loki are controversial, and the cruelest law of etymology dictates that to guess the origin of a word, we have to know the meaning of the thing. In my opinion, Loki is allied to German Loch “hole.” Odin, as I see it, was an active corpse hunter and devourer, while Loki guarded the “hole” in which the dead were interred and did not allow the dead to return to the world of the living."

This puts a whole new spin on the perennial question I hear most often about Loki: "Why do they put up with him, if everything is Loki's fault?" And, the answer here is that he'd be essential. Loki then is a liminal figure because he's protecting the dead from the hunger of the psychopomp and protecting the living from the undead.
 
  
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