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faustX
22:12 / 29.11.10
So this is my first topic started on barbelith. I am interested to know about fellow users experience in applying technology to their spiritual life. Are our prayers submitted via the internet valid? Internet confessionals? Cell phone athame? IPad grimoire? What deities have jurisdiction over Apple? Eris? Microsoft...Moloch? Does the afterlife support flash?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:58 / 27.12.10
In answer to your questions, I'd say, in order;

Maybe.

Possibly not.

No.

Especially not that.

Moloch.

No.
 
 
Lionheart
22:23 / 03.02.11
Actually the idea of an iPad/ebook grimoire is an interesting one. So is a cell phone athame though I wouldn't use it as such because it doesn't seem to have the same idea behind it. Knife/sword vs. communication tool.

Prayers submitted over the internet? Submitted to whom? /dev/null?

I have to say that I don't really see these as good examples of technology integrating into spirituality. Instead this seems more of a tool replacement question.

One way I can think of in incorporating technology into magick is to use an old tv to listen and watch the static on a dead channel (echoes of the first line of Neuromancer) as a sort of improv sensory deprivation chamber. The static audio and video serves as white noise. The mind is accustomed to patterns and so it searches for patterns in the sensory input. As there are none patterns in the inner aspects of perception are then brought forth. Miniature inner workings can start to show up on a large scale of the macrocosm due to the macrocosm of the world being drowned out in a rain of television static.

Uhm..I hope that makes sense.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
21:53 / 07.02.11
Actually the idea of an iPad/ebook grimoire is an interesting one.

How is that interesting? Is it not just a pdf? I have loads of them. You can go on a torrent site and downloads untold gigs of grimoires and other occult texts that previous generations would have had to spend years tracking down hard copies of. They could be viewed on an ipad or an iphone or whatever, like any other pdf. So what? This isn't exactly ground breaking stuff. It's no different from any other ebook.

It is also a waste of disk space if you don't read it and do something with it, and the massive glut of pdf grimoires that can be sourced very easily online does tend to encourage hoarding, rather than reading and doing.

Replacing an athame with a cell phone also sounds like a load of bollocks. To be frank, the mystery of the athame remains pretty inscrutable to me, after years of exploring it and trying to comprehend its depths. There are deep mysteries in that. It's not just "a pointy thing". Substituting it for a cell phone in some desperate, attention-seeking effort at being iconoclastic suggests a lack of understanding of the athame as anything other than "a pointy thing". It might be more constructive to slow down and actually figure out what an athame is, before you randomly substitute a bit of technology for it.

I was scrying into white noise on a TV set in the early 90s, and it was old hat then.

Why are all conversations about technology and magic so drearily tedious and unimaginative?
 
 
Laconic Verbosity
19:39 / 23.08.11
"Why are all conversations about technology and magic so drearily tedious and unimaginative?"

Good question. The only answer I can think of is that almost no one is thinking as far ahead as Paul Laffoley... and the stuff he comes up with no one knows how to begin making. Or the ones who do know are too busy figuring it out to talk about it much.
 
 
darth daddy
12:03 / 24.08.11
Cool book to read....Singularity is Near...Ray Kurzweil...I've read about 1/2 of it. Basic Thesis is that the pace of technological advance increases at an exponential rate..in the near future there will be a sort of big bang and a general intersection of spiritual, material and technological advances making us all godlike...
 
 
faintwhitelights
01:34 / 27.02.12
white noise is a pattern. equal power over audible frequency band.
 
 
jgbell
06:28 / 04.01.13
If you hadn't seen already, check out the information about the successfully crowd-funded Robomancy project:

"I want to make something that inspires magicians to make robots, and inspires roboticians to make magic, and that uniquely shows how to do each in the context of the other."
 
 
Rumba
17:57 / 04.01.13
Hmm, this has been a question that has poked at the back of my mind for the good part of a year. How do we bring magic to the 21st century, through technology.

Portable technology makes it easy to covertly read occult texts. I don't know about you guys, but I prefer /not/ to carry around books of that ilk, for all to see.

Music is quite potent. The right music turns a night-time jaunt exciting, soothing, or terrifying, and that's just one applicable situation. This ability to set moods sounds great for evocation/invocation, but I've never really touched that sort of thing.

As for any deities presiding over the internet, I'm sure that any gods of communication or knowledge would have stake in it. Hell, there's sites whose interests likely apply to any given god...

However, I would just as be willing to think that the internet itself has something of a spirit now, from all the countless hours that have been poured into it. From all the rage, all the tears, all the joy, all the orgasms from internet-streamed porn. All that energy goes somewhere. And if the internet itself doesn't have a presiding spirit from all this, surely the individual sites do. Anyone who's visited the Chans has likely heard of the hivemind, a phenomena where one or more person makes a similar post in the same minute.
 
 
jgbell
23:42 / 04.01.13
FWIW, specifically about having books with me, I carry all the PDFs from the Hermetic Library and several others on my tablet device. Additionally, I will carry scripts and orations I want to have available for study or use as well. Further, I will often load class outlines for things I'm doing and take notes using something that lets me draw as well as scribble. I find this all to be very useful.

I also often carry a bluetooth keyboard and a handheld scanner along in a satchel. These allow me to do transcriptions and conversion of paper documents while I'm traveling or doing research away from home.

So, both directly and indirectly, I find using a tablet device useful in my personal esoteric studies and sometimes also in my personal practice.
 
 
jgbell
00:04 / 05.01.13
You might also be interested in Enochian Working and Scrying Session with Lon Milo DuQuette, which involved classic esoteric work using technology. Although there's a claim this was the first time, I know myself and others have done scrying sessions with other individuals connected via VOIP and such. So, maybe the first time for such a large group, anyway:

"In an historic, first-time experiment, Lon will be conducting an Enochian live magick workshop followed by an actual group scrying session over the Internet. Anyone, anywhere in the world with a good Internet connection and computer will be able to participate in this global experiment in consciousness."

Others do classes and whole mystery schools via Internet enabled groups. For just one example, check out T Thorn Coyle's FIAT LVX.
 
 
T Blixius
03:28 / 11.01.13
It's possible to buy athames and wands that have 3.5 inch minijacks for you to charge with, presumably music, although possibly spoken word recordings of your own design. Phonomancy in a way.
 
 
LudusVan
09:45 / 24.09.13
So my understanding is that an athame is meant to be a literal point through which one channels Will from the self into another, physical medium, i.e. wood, ground etc. Perhaps a cell phone could be a point through which the Will can be channeled into a digital medium, such as the aether of radio waves and fiber optic signals, ley lines of the air, if you will.
 
 
jgbell
18:28 / 24.09.13
It occurred to me that, given a cell phone's nature as a two-way device, it might be more akin to a wand of double power than an athame. (Or, perhaps the more complex the device, the more complex of wand it might resemble.) One might use, for example, stun gun or electric baton for athame, dagger, sword ...

But, if one looks at any ritual tool as a set of design goals, one could then design a response using anything; and then one might, I think, explore and note the unique differences and emergent characteristic of that tool in use, which for me would really be a large part of the process, and largely the point of the experiment.

Anyhow, one could go through a list of tools within one's tradition and apply some design thinking toward what else might fill specific roles, and then one might apply some value engineering toward asking what else one might do with the new implements.

I think immediately of going through, for example, Aleister Crowley's Book 4, Part II and brainstorming from the description of each ritual tool what else might fill those roles. Similar such lists exist for whatever tradition(s) one might be working within.

Of course, one can imagine direct analogues, such as ebook reader or tablet for grimoire, for example, and simple swap in equivalent upgrades; or, one might be more creative and try to completely re-conceive the implements asking, "If I didn't already know what implement fills this role, what might I create to fill that?"
 
 
xaos777
04:41 / 08.12.13
A friend hit on an interesting idea for talisman. Find or create the seal/sigil on pc then charge it and release/banish as you move it onto a thumb drive. Attach a lanyard or cord and wear it around your neck, attach to key chain, or in some other way carry it on you. Easy cyber-talisman creation.
 
 
Dynamojones23
04:35 / 03.01.14
I'm surprised no one has mentioned dreamachines, binaural beats, hemi and holosync, psytrance music, Cranial Electro Simulators or, radionics. Also, the steampunk/industial magicks that were lost during WWI and WWII.

Also, I've used my Kindle as a Grimoire.
I've Exchanged and Charged Sigils with a group online
I've used E-ciggs in place ov Plain Tobacco and Weed for rituals.
 
 
coweatman
15:59 / 26.02.14
a good friend of mine died last year.

some friends put together a memorial punk show for him in a town i don't know well.

my phone's gps brought me to his old apartment, told me i'd reached my destination, and turned off.

i was late for the show.
 
 
Aribus
20:58 / 01.03.14
I have found that looping a a few seconds in a sound-editor can make for some intresting things to happen.

I have heard voices coming out underneath the sounds. Not to be misinterpreted with the looped sounds itself, wich also takes it´s own form the longer you listen to it.

No. this was "beneath" the sound. Cristal-clear voices asking short questions (that didn´t make sense) to me.
 
 
jgbell
04:38 / 26.03.14
Certainly the application of 3D printing to toward the creation of sigils, talismans and other tools should be considered possible for integrating technology. I've thought often about the notion of 3D printed ceramics, like that offered by Shapeways, as a way to create all kinds of high quality items ready to paint … not the least of which is pieces for Enochian chess and Golden Dawn implements and insignia.
 
 
jgbell
22:03 / 19.05.14
I was pointing someone to this thread who asked me via email a question about computers and Internet connections to the spiritual world, and I thought I'd post a bit gathered from my reply I hadn't mentioned here before.

On the issue of Internet and spiritual world, you might be interested in this post, which was quite popular with the #ETHERSEC crowd for a while: here

Finally, just because, I can't help but mention the film Evilspeak, which always comes to mind: here
 
  
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