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Oracle Bone Script

 
 
Boxcutter
02:56 / 19.09.09
So, out of curiosity, has anyone researched this? It's one of the earlier forms of writing, being the proto of descending Chinese languages.

I know there is some disagreement on the character definitions, based on the shoddy state in which they were found. I was wondering if anyone had come across, or could suggest, or some how contribute into pooling a few resources or leads under this thread. Specifically, I'd like to see a character set, and if possible, translations, (though they're bound to still be arguable). Update to follow.
 
 
kiafi
07:06 / 20.09.09
Oracle bones, as far as I understand, are more of a divinatory shamanic practice than it was a script. I want to say that I have seen similar practices in other traditions but I couldn't quote sources if I tried. I have heard that the scapula of prisoners/the dead/chickens/? was preferred for the divinatory practice, something regarding throwing the bones into fire and reading the cracks. Probably centered around Small Intestine 11, in the major depression/valley of the scapula.

If anyone could cohesively explain this practice you at all, or convert it into a script or alphabet, I would be shocked. Oracle bones are old school to the infinite degree. I would classify classical accurate understanding of the subject as basically futile.
 
 
Boxcutter
22:49 / 04.10.09
Okay, here's the nitty gritty belated update. While I agree that it was used more in divination, my encounters and understanding is that, while far from mundane, it could at times double as a script. And, since it carries more or less specific definitions, though they're not neat concepts as I'm familiar with, (not as linear, and deal sometimes with the essence of several different objects, forces, or actions, rather than a specific of any of those), they do correlate to a definition.

There are many other examples of scripts dualing over into other uses, whether it was numerical, pictographic and phonetic, or, in this case, magickal. In fact, part of my problem, (and maybe someone could settle this), comes from a plethora of written and vocal opinions about the Futhorc and the Ogham. Some say that, at least in the Futhorc, the additional row was added to be phonetic, had no magickal correlation, etc., and was only present in order to pronounce foreign consonants and otherwise, conveniently belonging to their new rulers. Than there's the extreme opposite, (of course). While this is a quick illustration, I'm mentioning this because I'm going on the assumption that there's nothing indicating that the magick and language were mutually exclusive. So, I'm going to assume that they were intertwined, and not even going to being to wonder to what degree.

Now, I think this is the story, so there obviously must be some schooled in it. And I found an online dictionary, which is shit for actually being a reliable source, (though I'm not looking to be too academic), it is a chinese etymology dictionary. So, the input has to be in chinese characters, which means I need to translate an english word through something as reliable and infallible as, say, Babelfish, (although I retranslate{?} it once more into english to make sure it isn't something like 'fish taco dog boat', I'm still weary). Then I can paste it into some obscure etymology dictionary, online, wherein I can extrapolate a meaning from the character given, itself being vague and a few thousand years old.

But, what did I expect looking for even broad information on proto-languages? Let alone anything surviving the last of the wood based cultures?

So, here's the issue:

Apparently there is information, and it's scant online, sparse in libraries, the subject of study in china, (though there aren't many resources, even though it's hailed as a boon and treasure trove in academia), and it makes me mad. Do I expect anything to fall into my lap? Not really. I was just wondering if for some reason someone would know something. The main frustrating thing is that there are sparse correspondence tables...you have to search for each word to see if it's even there.

Bah...enough, updates to follow.
 
 
Boxcutter
05:22 / 07.10.09
Aforementioned etymology link.

It shows the evolution of chinese characters, from Oracle Bone to Simplified, and has Bronze Seal inscriptions, etc.

Thoughts? Reservations? Anything?
 
 
museum in time, tiger in space
14:32 / 12.10.09
Here is the best site I know of for pictures of the oracle bone script (jiaguwen in Mandarin, which means 'shell bone writing). If you click on the button below each picture you get a translation of the engraving into modern Chinese (in traditional characters rather than simplified). There has been a great deal of work done on this, but you're probably in for a frustrating time if you can't read Chinese.
The National Palace Museum here has a good collection of oracle bones- they're certainly very beautiful objects.
Archaeologists now think they may have found an earlier form of writing in China, by the way, on pottery fragments from about 4800BC. There's not enough of the writing (if that's what it is) for there to be much chance of ever deciphering it, but it doesn't appear related to the oracle bone script.
 
 
Boxcutter
04:52 / 13.10.09
Yeah, the Chinese part is a bitch. Anyway, thanks for the linkage. It's mean, because it's an image, so I can't translate it. I think.

Really? Clay-based, pre-Oracle? Do you have a keyword you'd like to throw up? That'd be kick ass...I do expect to find very little on the nets, but it's still interesting.

I'll be running a best of for the rest of the thread, considering that I doubt anyone will put superb citations or input, I might as well make this pretty. Please, though, if you find something, do blast textual caps into my plasma screen ass.
 
 
museum in time, tiger in space
03:12 / 14.10.09
It's called Jiahu script, after the site the fragments were found at. The BBC article linked to from that Wikipedia page is actually fairly good. I'm afraid that simplified characters are a big pain in the arse for me, so I haven't bothered looking at the other link.
 
  
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