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Flash: Rebirth

 
 
MrKismet
22:08 / 02.04.09
What's the consensus on Flash: Afterbirth? I was underwhelmed (except for the art; as always, Van Sciver delivers many pretty pictures). It reads like a free preview giveaway: lots of teasers of things that will happen in the comic for the next three years, but little substance in the issue itself. Much comicus interruptus.

I like the Flash, I really do. I like the Wally West Flash, because he always had better writers than the Barry Allen Flash. I also don't understand the necessity of reviving Allen, 'cept to assuage Geoff Johns' fanboy slavering over a character he was too young -- or not alive -- to appreciate in his heyday. Not to mention his apparent desperation to revive a Silver Age that he didn't even live through. (And WHY does the also-newly-revived Bart Allen have such a pissy attitude toward his own grandfather -- the one he idolized and worshipped in his previous incarnation?

Flash: Afterbirth -- sloppy and unnecessary.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:08 / 02.04.09
Is there any reason to be ashamed of reading comics?

Apparently, there is. Dude, what are you, like, twelve?

Pull yourself together.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:11 / 02.04.09
You piece of s***
 
 
indigi
02:40 / 03.04.09
I posted this on another forum, and I've cleaned it up a bit, but I don't think I can phrase my thoughts any differently or better.

Everything in Rebirth is absolute tripe. Morrison explained most of this sutff in Final Crisis barely 6 months ago in much more satisfying ways. Johns is just moving plots and characters around with the clumsiest pen strokes to create false tension and suspense. Nothing in this comic book felt genuine, and Wally's speed metaphor wasn't even the worst offender. Even the art is crap in places, and I'm an EVS fanboy; check out Alan on the bottom of the JSA/Jay Garrick page. He looks like a withered old vampire about to strike. Johns telegraphed what will happen with the clumsy structure of this issue. Spoilers: guess what? HIS DAD WAS FRAMED, GUYS! Just like he always thought.

Why is Barry being a total prick to everyone and everything? When he returned in FC, what did he do? He ran to help Wally, had some nice moments alone with him, then ran to kiss his wife and rescued her from Anti-Life. At no point were there any hints of him losing his individuality and being a close, belligerent, obsessive jerk. Didn't seem like the kind of guy who would skip out on welcome-back parties.

Why does Robin claim that Bart was Wally's biggest detractor? I read all of YJ, a large chunk of TT, and a couple issues of Bart's Flash, and the worst feelings Bart ever expressed were mild annoyance at a parental figure and/or sadness that Wally didn't fully accept him. Why does he hate Barry so much, too? Know why? It's a completely transparent audience-insertion. Johns is saying "Hey, why do you hate Barry? You used to hate Wally, but you came to accept him over the years. Now you're upset that Barry is coming back, right?" He knows there are people who feel exactly that way and figures if he has a character in the story acknowledge it, that makes the story good.

Why is the corpse of what appears to be a Black Flash laying in a corn field somewhere? That's just an aspect of the Black Racer/Death in general, so why is he there? Is this like that Family Guy episode where nobody can die?

Why do we have another, newer explanation for why Barry is back? Morrison explained this: the DC universe/multiverse brought him back on its own because it needed Barry to save it. Johns tries to have Barry pass this buck to Wally; hey, guess what? If Barry wasn't sent back having the Black Racer hot on his tail, Darkseid wouldn't have got got. Nix Uotan explicitly says that the universe - which is sentient - has natural defenses. Johns - who CO-WROTE DCU #0 - had a hand in this explanation.

You might say "ah, poo poo, this could just be the universe's way of bringing Barry back!" I'd agree with that if he didn't state, in Final Crisis, that he was sent back knowing specific things for a specific purpose. In Rebirth #1, he outright says he wasn't watching, he wasn't looking down; it was all just lightning until he was sucked back, seemingly against the natural order of things. You can't have it both ways, because that is retarded. I also know and acknowledge that stuff like this is retconned in comics all the time, but when the explanation is this shoddy, this soon after the previous status quo was established, it just doesn't hold any water. Johns handwaves it away when Barry says "I knew but now I'm forgetting." Garbage.

I don't think Geoff Johns is a good writer, and rarely enjoy his comics, so this should come as a surprise: he is a much, much better writer than this, and I am very disappointed in this first issue. The dialog and caption boxes are even poorly written. GL: Rebirth, for all its faults and flaws, at least wasn't boring, was absolutely beautiful, and at least read like a competently structured story. This comic has absolutely nothing going for it.
 
 
MrKismet
03:26 / 03.04.09
indigi, you put it much better than I did. Well said!
 
 
SiliconDream
05:30 / 03.04.09
Why does Robin claim that Bart was Wally's biggest detractor? I read all of YJ, a large chunk of TT, and a couple issues of Bart's Flash, and the worst feelings Bart ever expressed were mild annoyance at a parental figure and/or sadness that Wally didn't fully accept him.

He was pretty snarky with Wally when he was introduced, but he didn't particularly try to tear Wally down; he was just a irritable teenager.

Really, Bart's never been anybody's detractor, at least until Johns took him over. He ignored people and got annoyed at people and didn't take people seriously, but fundamentally he was a really sweet kid who had no problem expressing praise and admiration.

Of course, until the Johns era, he also didn't care at all about being "Kid Flash"...he was very very big on having his own identity.

Why does he hate Barry so much, too?

Because originally he vaguely hero-worshipped Barry, until Bart Saves the Universe, where he got to actually meet the guy, and then he really loved him. See, it makes perfect sense!

Complaining that Barry's "the only guy who gets to come back from the Speed Force" is absurd, too. Wally's been treating the Speed Force barrier like a revolving door since its first appearance; he even pulled Linda through it in front of Bart's eyes.

Missing Max is the one note that actually fits with Bart's character here. But why he'd blame Barry for that, when the main issue is that Jay Garrick's arch-enemy hijacked Max's body and escaped through time and nobody ever bothered to go after him, I have no idea.

On a side note, what's up with Barry's clothes? He decided to go all manly--with Hal providing author-surrogate snark on his old fashion sense--but he's still stuck in the 80's?

Side note #2: The book opens with people getting butchered by a Flash symbol and ends with Barry Allen wielding a death touch. There's just something quintessentially...Johnsian about that.
 
 
alex supertramp
16:13 / 03.04.09
I agree, pretty horrific all around.
 
 
indigi
18:01 / 03.04.09
The book opens with people getting butchered by a Flash symbol and ends with Barry Allen wielding a death touch. There's just something quintessentially...Johnsian about that

Ha, that's a great point. I hadn't even considered that.
 
 
alex supertramp
20:12 / 03.04.09
Does it annoy anyone else that DC made a big fuss over the death of the Flash (Bart Allen), only to resurrect him, and de-age him to his teenage youth, all in the span of about a year and a half?
 
 
Mark Parsons
08:59 / 09.04.09
I was very annoyed at the slaughter-thon, but I sense DC realizes how awry that relaunch went. I was just as put off by Bart being aged to a twentysomething grungey shoegazer. Yoicks!

I read REBIRTH when I was super tired (working the graveyard shift on a reality tv show) and I liked it a great deal. I'm looking FWD to a reread.

Is Johns doing a new FLASH series as he did with GL:REBIRTH to GL relaunch? I think his work on that is just stellar.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:25 / 09.04.09
I think we can do better than FLASH: AFTERBIRTH. Come on, guys! How about THE TRASH:AFTERBIRTH? Or DER.... TRASH: REGRETTABLE.
 
 
This Sunday
23:16 / 09.04.09
Really, Bart's never been anybody's detractor, at least until Johns took him over.

Under Waid, even when he was upset with somebody, Bart still liked everyone. He was good to people. Which was nice, because usually that kind of impulsiveness plus ignorance means the character will be written as an asshole.
 
 
garyancheta
23:06 / 14.04.09
Why is Bart put off by Barry's return? There's a hint about it in the dialogue. He mentions "Why does he get to come back" or something like that. He's pissed off that Barry came back instead of someone like Max Mercury...someone he's been trying to get back at least since the Impulse series ended (not even a mention in the Titans series, but I digress). I think that's the plot point they're going to address in the story, rather than Bart just being a jerk.
 
 
SiliconDream
22:39 / 15.04.09
He's pissed off that Barry came back instead of someone like Max Mercury

Right, I'm just saying it makes no sense that Bart would focus on Barry as a lucky bastard in this regard. Rival came back too. Wally makes round-trips to the Speed Force every day and twice on Sundays. Even Linda fell into the Speed Force, and Wally pulled her out before Bart's eyes. Barry making it back after more than twenty years is hardly special.

Bart should really be angsting (if he has to angst at all) over why Max was so unlucky that he never returned from the Speed Force. Is it because Rival is still imprisoning him there while he frolics in Max's stolen body? Or is it that Max just doesn't have the strong emotional ties to Bart and Helen that Wally had to Linda, and he doesn't really want to come back from Heaven to be with them? Any orphaned/abandoned teenager would be having nightmares about that.

But of course this line of thought wouldn't help establish Barry as the center of the Flash universe, so it has no place in Rebirth.
 
 
FinderWolf
22:50 / 11.08.09
I want this to be good, since I enjoyed GL: Rebirth so much. But although the art is often nice, so far it's a bit of a hodgepodge mess. Hopefully it gets back on track around issue....4 ? *gulp*
 
  
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