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Masks of the Illuminati

 
 
tSuibhne
15:16 / 04.12.01
Ok, enough talk about Illuminatus. What are the general thoughts on Masks of the Illuminati? Personally, I think it's a much better book. Much more accessable.

One question though, do you think the book would work better with or with out the page at the front telling you that all the books and such are true? It took me a while to finish the book (I was at school at the time, and had to put it down during finals). By the time I'd finished the book, I'd forgotten about that page, and was freaked out as I started finding the various books and things. I think it would be a lot more fun, if you weren't told up front how much of the book is based on 'fact.'
 
 
rizla mission
15:33 / 04.12.01
You're right there.

It's a great book, essential for those cultivating an interest in magic, numerology, Crowley and early 20th weirdness in general.

I thought it could have done without all the Joyce-esque nonsense wordplay dream sequence stuff though - that didn't exactly help matters, especially the one towards the end - that went on for aaggeeess.
 
 
tSuibhne
16:43 / 04.12.01
Yeah I just sort of skimmed some of that stuff at the end.

A friend of mine is acctually friend's with Bob, and she was telling me that he's acctually a very well thought of expert on Joyce. My assumption is Bob's just got a hard on for Joyce, and doesn't know when to stop.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:46 / 04.12.01
I agree.... the word play was Fun but wore a bit thin...

On the whole the story was great... much more of a story than the original seemed to be...
 
 
Locust No longer
17:08 / 07.12.01
quote:Originally posted by I Am:
Yeah I just sort of skimmed some of that stuff at the end.

A friend of mine is acctually friend's with Bob, and she was telling me that he's acctually a very well thought of expert on Joyce. My assumption is Bob's just got a hard on for Joyce, and doesn't know when to stop.


Someone told me RAW found the codes for a double helix and the atom bomb hidden in the pages of Finnegan's Wake. I have no idea what that means, but it's interesting.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:41 / 07.12.01
Had this sitting on my bookshelves for months without ever getting around to actually reading the damn thing. Shall start now.
 
 
Knight's Move
13:46 / 20.12.01
Masks... is great. I think the point with the Joyce word play is that RAW loves showing his skill at pastiche, which in turn is pastiche Joycean style. Joyce, in Ulysses for instance, has a chapter written in various styles of writing including faux-Shakespearean text, and he also attempts to destroy language (see Finnegan's Wake, calssic alchemical text). RAW does the same, so in his Joyce character he is writing a pastiche Joyce, writing pastiche, in a pastiche Gothic Novel. Nice. The end trip for instance seems to be a homage to the end of Ulysses with Molly's monologue, which an old friend of mine reckons is an orgasm and so is an alternative method of acheieving an illumination or altered perception type thing, like the drugging by Crowley.

RAW has written several essays on Joyce mostly collected in his book Coincidance (his spelling) in which he analyses the texts of Joyce's books and comes to the conclusion they are like a hologram (if you cut out a part you don't get a part of the hologram but the whole thing more diffused and smaller) and he goes on to prove this at some length. The Illuminatus trilogy itself is RAW's equivalent of Ulysses (although not happening over just one day I admit) in that it's an enormous book which makes no sense the first few times you read it but has a profound and lasting effect on the rest of your life.

Oh, and there is nothing wrong with having a hard-on for Joyce. The man is a genius, occult master, and name-checked in the Invisibles by King Mob in 1924 when he credits Joyce with being the beginning of the future. So there.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:04 / 20.12.01
Masks is much easier to read than Illuminatus and the one about the Cat. Therefore, it is better.
Arthur Sudnam, illiterate
 
  
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